These things to give...I've run out of them.

"Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever" (superchan7)
06/27/2019 at 14:39 • Filed to: Politics, Hong Kong, Rant, Protests, China

My field is now barren.

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The widely hated extradition bill is gone and unlikely to return in the near future. I’m ready to detach from these self-styled “freedom fighters.” They are wasting time antagonising the police—I don’t see any benefit or goal from harassing cops and vandalising police property. The cops didn’t write the extradition bill. And now these so-called “protesters” have been caught harassing TV reporters, too. Hypocrites.

Their arguments are becoming more and more ridiculous. They cry “Stop shooting us” and “Stop killing us”. How many people have died, and what did you get shot with, a bean bag and some tear gas?

They call for the release of the detained “martyrs,” again, how many people have died?

Maybe you got an annoying stop-and-search order last week. Maybe a few of you got your asses kicked because you didn’t listen to the cops ordering you to get out of the way. Maybe you have a legitimate compliant to be heard in court. None of that is related to the extradition bill. None of that makes it acceptable or reasonable to repeatedly “lay siege” to the police HQ, and to completely unrelated government buildings and innocent employees.

The two million protesters have made their voice clear. I’m ready for these few hundred remaining morons to spend a few weeks behind bars, and for Hong Kong to move on. To fix its housing problem, to fix its electoral process, to get real things done and get rid of people who can’t get things done.

Sorry, rant over, how’s everyone doing?

DISCUSSION (18)

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
06/27/2019 at 15:05

I’ve been saying this for a while but feelings make you dumb.

Every situation I’ve seen, or been in the feelings involved just make you make stupider decisions from a rational standpoint. Even if they are the “best” or “right” decisions.

It just amplifies with groups of people as the emotions just spew outward and turn into irrational actions.

I’m not saying they don’t have a right to be angry, that’s just biology working, but it’s never been the case where angry decisions without effective planning result in best case scenarios - at least not under my watch.

DipodomysDeserti > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
06/27/2019 at 15:20

It’s funny how opinions on protesting seem to congeal into one gelatinous mass the higher up society’s totem pole you ascend. Transcends nationality.

DipodomysDeserti > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
06/27/2019 at 15:23

“ Feeling make you dumb.”

That’s some Orwellian shit.

Yes, better to just go along with what your betters have assigned for you. Protesting these types of things rarely work out

Kinja'd!!!

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > DipodomysDeserti
06/27/2019 at 15:33

A little overreductive + strawman, don’t you think? Your comment reads like a emotionally defensive reaction to an observation. I’d love to get a clarification.

I was saying that feelings make you do stupid things - I personally think the HK rioters have right in principle on their side - but I expect the protests do nothing for them.

Feelings do make you dumb - your comment is a prime example. Reason it out and justify your counterpoint r easonably, but your strawman doesn’t hold water as is.

fintail > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
06/27/2019 at 15:50

Like with many modern protests, they aren’t going after the real evil, rather, simply going after what is easiest.

They need to align and go after the kleptocracy itself, although knowing its murderous history, that could be a dangerous game.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > fintail
06/27/2019 at 15:54

The kleptocracy in Hong Kong comes first--that one has a better track record at least!

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
06/27/2019 at 16:26

It’s tempting to take your anger out on the cop that was an asshole . Or fired a rubber bullet that hit you even though the guy next to you was the one that actually attacked him.

But what does that accomplish? Not much beyond showing that you are a vindictive asshole who would rather try to get a cop fired for sli ghting you , than focus on the actual problem, the extradition law.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
06/27/2019 at 16:57

Yeah I mean I’ve been known to have a temper, but at the end of the day I sit down, draw up what I think will work, or what doesn’t work that I think I can change, and what the risks benefits are.

Personally, I may want to uppercut them until their jaw hits the moon, but that won’t improve anything.

I wouldn’t even be against the protesting if I thought it would be effective, I just don’t think it will.

DipodomysDeserti > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
06/27/2019 at 18:28

No emotion from me. I have no dog in the fight. I just hope this way of thinking never permeates American culture.

I think you’re reading a bit too much into a quick comment made on the internet.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > DipodomysDeserti
06/27/2019 at 18:46

No emotion from me. I have no dog in the fight. I just hope this way of thinking never permeates American culture.

Again, no specifics. What do you have objections with, how is it Orwellian, what did you think I meant to say, anything? Generalities don’t work here, but they do allow you wiggle room to back out later under a “misunderstanding .” Can you elaborate.

I think you’re reading a bit too much into a quick comment made on the internet.

So should I just not read what you write, or? I took you seriously because I figured you’d have something to say. Is that not the case?

DipodomysDeserti > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
06/27/2019 at 19:23

Oy vey.

You’ll have to find someone else to argue with on the internet today. I don’t have it in me.

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > DipodomysDeserti
06/27/2019 at 19:26

I don’t want to argue with you, but I don’t seem to be able to have a neutral toned discussion with you about the topic at hand. If you don’t want to do even that, that’s fine, but why type anything at all, then? I don’t think you even understand what I mean.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > fintail
06/27/2019 at 20:03

when you have to sing hymns so your gathering is classified as a religious gathering to prevent cops from busting it up, you need any small victory you can get.

DipodomysDeserti > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
06/27/2019 at 20:03

See what I mean?

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > DipodomysDeserti
06/27/2019 at 20:04

I literally don’t and have asked questions three times asking you to elaborate so I can understand. You’ve refused each time. I am literally telling you, I don’t get where you’re coming from.

If you think asking someone to explain is an argument then I don’t know why you bothered to say anything at all.

fintail > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
06/27/2019 at 21:58

A lot safer to fight as well, less likely to be squished by a tank and then have your fate hidden from your countrymen. Not quite as evil as the PRC, who ranks high there even when compared to some American regimes.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
06/27/2019 at 22:13

The cops closed roads to accommodate the biggest recorded protest in Hong Kong’s history. Now that that is done, I don’t get what the narrative or goal is with these guys throwing eggs at the cops and singing religious songs. If they want to take it up with the cops about the way they were treated a while back, they need to lawyer up. If they want their more violent buddies released from custody, they need to lawyer up. If they want to keep the judicial independence of Hong Kong, that fight has already been won de facto (although not de jure...since it is not “formally withdrawn,” but neither is the sedition and subversion bill from 2003 which Hong Kong is even constitutionally obligated to enact).

Basically, I got the big fight against the legislation. Everyone was on board with that one. I don’t get the continued harassment of the cops. You’re literally asking to get your asses kicked by surrounding the police HQ, spraying their walls and throwing eggs and curses at them. They just haven’t received the orders to throw the book at these kids yet.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > DipodomysDeserti
06/28/2019 at 15:23

IMO cultures are more similar than they are different. Forget Hong Kong, stuff like protesting happens all the time even in mainland China. People hate bad laws and bad enforcement. The government just provides much less tolerance for dissent, because it hasn’t matured its anti-corru ption and PR mechanisms, and it’s still feeling insecure from nearly two centuries of weakness and exploitation. For the longest time, the Communist Party basically continued corrupt imperial-style rule under a different name.