Ok Oppo, let's play a game.

"fhrblig" (fhrblig) 06/18/2019 at 21:48 • Filed to: Confess your sins to Oppo

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Inspired by the Dodge Journey thread earlier... name a terrible and/or hated-by-enthusiasts car that you would totally buy.

If I could find a cheap enough one in good shape, I would buy a Dodge Avenger with a Pentastar V6. I don't even care if the interior is shit and it's fwd. 280+ hp? Sold. COME AT ME BRO.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 21:54

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Avenger gets a lot of shit but you know what? It's hella stylish in some trim levels and really that's all that most drivers care about.

CB > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 21:58

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I personally know one Avenger owner (TheBlacktopExperiment, I think is his name on here) and he absolutely loves this.

Car hated by enthusiasts I’d own? Lancer Sportback, I guess? I don’t know if it’s hated, it’s just that no one cares about it and it’s a Lancer that’s not an Evo. I’m totally onboard with it.

That, and a diesel New Beetle. My ex had one. It was great.

AestheticsInMotion > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 21:58

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The AWD Charger. You'd have to pry my hands off the steering wheel

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 21:59

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Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:00

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I helped a friend with his when his “new in box” window regulator came unspooled from the factory (that sucked). He calls it the poor man’s charger or the rich man’s neon.  As an oppo, I officially find it to be an abomination and blasphemy, it’s not a horrible car, better than 10 sunfires.  

wafflesnfalafel > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:01

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Toyota Corolla

Maxima Speed > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 06/18/2019 at 22:02

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Amen and hallelujah!

............ although........ I must say that the later iterations of the two door Camry were a bit nicer.  specifically around 2004

someassemblyrequired > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:03

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Avenger>>Dart. It’s not even close.

Cash Rewards > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:03

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First gen CR-V

ranwhenparked > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:03

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Well, Reliants are objectively terrible and hated by large numbers of people, and I still really want one.

DipodomysDeserti > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:03

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This is Oppositelock. The thread should be what car do you already own that enthusiasts hate.

Alfalfa > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:04

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Dodge Caliber, if it's an SRT4. It's just too silly for me to say no to.

fhrblig > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 06/18/2019 at 22:04

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I always thought it was a good looking car. Chrysler seems to be really good at building beautiful cars that are otherwise mechanically terrible, like the PT Cruiser. It could have been so good, but then it totally wasn't.

PS9 > AestheticsInMotion 06/18/2019 at 22:06

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That’s...not at all hated by enthusiasts.

Land_Yacht_225 > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:06

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A Nissan Murano. Maybe even a Nissan Rogue. I can’t overlook the level of tech at the price point.

When I was selling cars and new new Acadia Denali’s came out we were so proud of our surround view camera system that was so new and cutting edge. Then we got a 2013 Rogue, yes Rogue not Murano, SL on the used lot with surround vision...

Put things in perspective, regrettably.

PS9 > DipodomysDeserti 06/18/2019 at 22:07

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Are you saying we secretly hate our selves?

PS9 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 06/18/2019 at 22:08

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A great irony; the Camry/Accord coupes died only to have later generations of those nameplates try as hard as they could to be coupes without removing the rear doors. 

fhrblig > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 06/18/2019 at 22:09

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Yep. Good choice.

fhrblig > ranwhenparked 06/18/2019 at 22:10

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At least it has personality. Not a good one, but still.

SiennaMan > PS9 06/18/2019 at 22:10

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 It's more like we aspire to greater, often far less practical things.  Like my desire to pair my Sienna with a Honda Beat..

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:10

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I had 4 Chevettes and loved them(because everyone hated the chevette) My Saturn SW2 was an all time favourite. And I really don’t hate My Dodge Nitro (which I told oppo about, then never mentioned again for like, 16 months, out of shame) Except for fuel mileage and uncoolness it’s been great. My Chevelle, while still a Chevelle, is the least cool C hevelle ever there was (4 door, beige). Also I wouldn’t mind taking an 81 reliant for a spin for old times sake.

It’s hip to be square. 

dogisbadob > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:10

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a manual Camry

especially the sporty versions ;)

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > ranwhenparked 06/18/2019 at 22:11

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so uncool it’s cool.  I was once a Chevette enthusiast. 

fhrblig > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 06/18/2019 at 22:12

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Sunfires should be set on fire. Though it'd probably start right up and drive away after you put the fire out. It's an automotive cockroach.

M.T. Blake > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:13

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I already bought it. 2017 Toyota Sienna. 

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:13

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BMW 320i.

Probably my favorite new car on sale up until they moved to the G20 platform.

It may only have 184 hp, but you can put every single one down without breaking the speed limit with a big smile on your face.

fhrblig > Land_Yacht_225 06/18/2019 at 22:13

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The Murano (at least the first two generations) are great- looking cars. Too bad about the CVT though.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:14

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oh and his was the worst one in the world.  I beleive it was driven to the crusher.  

fhrblig > Alfalfa 06/18/2019 at 22:15

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See, I’d take any manual C aliber. I drove a base one once and it was actually a little fun. That interior nearly gave me hepatitis, though. So awful.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > DipodomysDeserti 06/18/2019 at 22:15

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DODGE FREAKING NITRO! 2wd. 

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:15

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I've never met a PT Cruiser owner that didn't absolutely love their car. And I still miss my Neon sometimes.

fhrblig > Cash Rewards 06/18/2019 at 22:16

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I would say with a manual, but really either is ok. It's like a Civic wagon on stilts.

fhrblig > wafflesnfalafel 06/18/2019 at 22:16

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I owned a Prizm, and it was obamanotbad.jpg

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 06/18/2019 at 22:17

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everyone I know who had a neon wishes they still made them. 

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:17

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Every auto enthusiast hates a tilt tray...but I'd love to have one!

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:18

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I want to import a FIAT 126p....so...like....objectively terrible, but awesome?

fhrblig > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 06/18/2019 at 22:18

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I rented a butter yellow one once with a sunroof and while it was pretty crappy dynamically, it was a fun vacation car.

DipodomysDeserti > PS9 06/18/2019 at 22:18

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We elevate ourselves to a higher aesthetic.

fhrblig > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 06/18/2019 at 22:20

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Make it an Isuzu NPR and you've got a deal.

fhrblig > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 06/18/2019 at 22:20

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I don't know if we can count that one. It seems to be loved by everyone.

AestheticsInMotion > PS9 06/18/2019 at 22:21

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Hmm. I’ve heard mostly negative remarks about it, even here.

Something something AWD autotragic “muscle car”, two decades old, etc.

Obviously not A venger or C ommander levels of hate, but I still think it qualifies

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:22

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I have a newly found fascination for land yatchs as a family crossover alternative. 310HP v6 awd tons of space,comfortable, quiet, heated and cooled seats and heated steering wheel, has all the tech and safety stuff you’ll ever need. $50K today, $25K two years from now. Don’t be surprised if I actually end up buying one.

fhrblig > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 06/18/2019 at 22:24

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Old man cars are my jam. Big Buicks, Lincolns, the big faux-luxury Koreans like the Azera and Cadenza, Toyota Avalons, etc. Yes please.

Just Jeepin' > Land_Yacht_225 06/18/2019 at 22:25

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I was going to say the Murano cabriolet. I’ve never driven one, or ridden in one, but convertible all-the-things.

BigBlock440 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 06/18/2019 at 22:27

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300 hp V6 with AWD you say....

facw > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:28

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Sure it’s fat and slow, but a convertible can be fun just by being a convertible, plus its sort of forbidden European fruit...

And honestly, I might even be able to apply that same logic to the crosscab...

It’s really not that much beyond the Cascada anyway.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Alfalfa 06/18/2019 at 22:28

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Maybe a neon SRT 4, but not the caliber.  70s cadillac Deville, sedan.  Now that’d be a fun car.  

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:29

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Wish all of them offer AWD. The RWD options from Genesis are also on my list but they’re more expensive.

I wouldn’t say no to a Lincoln continental v6 ecoboost AWD version tho.

Tristan > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:30

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PT Cruiser GT Convertible. Open air, available manual trans, and a 2.4 turbo capable of serious power. Fite me.

Shift24 > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:30

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Id take a h3 with a 5.3l and Adventure Package

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > BigBlock440 06/18/2019 at 22:31

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Hahahah!

No.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 06/18/2019 at 22:32

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I still miss my first gen Neon ACR. That car was a hoot. Easy to lift the inside rear wheel off the ground and the throttle lift oversteer could be a trip.

Sold mine to pay for an engagement ring, well half of the ring anyway.  Might have to grab another someday.  So simple and cheap to work on.

fhrblig > facw 06/18/2019 at 22:33

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I know several people that want a Crosscabriolet. Or the Evoque convertible. Convertibles are fun. Even the Sebring.

Cash Rewards > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:34

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So meone Eagle Summited a civic wagon. 

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:34

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Not going to argue as they are a great truck but the GVM is a bit light for a decent tilt tray capacity. Hence the FRR...

fhrblig > Shift24 06/18/2019 at 22:34

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I think the only H3 I  could ever see myself getting would be the pickup.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer 06/18/2019 at 22:34

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I want an 80s Omni with a stick.  Not necessarily the GLH, but just a stocker with a stick shift.  

OmerCarrothers333 > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:35

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I had a Dodge Dart AND an Accord CrossTour... fuck all ‘a y’all.

412GTI > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:35

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Acura ZDX because I want to win Litwood if that’s ever a thing. 

fhrblig > Tristan 06/18/2019 at 22:40

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Nope, I won't fight you on that. Good call.

fhrblig > OmerCarrothers333 06/18/2019 at 22:41

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Good for y- *vomits*

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 06/18/2019 at 22:41

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I had a 2G, but before the awful 2003 facelift. Bright yellow, black interior, nice snowflake wheels. It was such a happy little car.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > DipodomysDeserti 06/18/2019 at 22:42

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Hey I have a 2013 CR-V

fhrblig > 412GTI 06/18/2019 at 22:42

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Can you imagine if they introduced it now instead of when they did? They wouldn't be able to make enough of them.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 06/18/2019 at 22:43

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Even my CR-V has more power than that. Sure, only 1hp more and everything else is objectively shittier but at least mine will last me forever and get to 60 fast while yours won't make it safely past 60k miles

OPPOsaurus WRX > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:44

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DipodomysDeserti > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 06/18/2019 at 22:49

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But it’s the fastest goddamn CRV on tis planet.

412GTI > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:50

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Oh absolutely. I saw one a few weeks back and thought the same thing.

Milky > facw 06/18/2019 at 22:57

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Ooof.

Milky > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 22:59

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You already know.

InFierority Complex > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 23:08

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I’d take a Laguna Blue Dart.

jminer > 412GTI 06/18/2019 at 23:10

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I love that thing and would totally rock it - I actually looked for one when I bought my sportwagen but couldn’t find one.  Same with the CrossTour, couldn’t find one equipped how I wanted with sub 100k miles.

Future Heap Owner > Tristan 06/18/2019 at 23:17

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The convertible PT Cruiser  wraps around from being awful to being great.

fhrblig > Milky 06/18/2019 at 23:17

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My partner loves the Crossfire.

Future Heap Owner > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 23:20

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fhrblig > InFierority Complex 06/18/2019 at 23:22

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I like the Dart. I wish it had been more successful.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > DipodomysDeserti 06/18/2019 at 23:50

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Under_Score > Land_Yacht_225 06/18/2019 at 23:55

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My sister’s Rogue makes me think that anything is too basic now. It doesn’t have fog lights, AWD, or leather. Otherwise, it’s loaded for a Rogue. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > fhrblig 06/18/2019 at 23:56

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I had  one as a rental for a week. One of the higher trim levels too. I didn’t hate it.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > fhrblig 06/19/2019 at 00:00

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I agree! I haven’t found anybody that hates them yet! :P

Shift24 > fhrblig 06/19/2019 at 00:08

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Literally the gladiator of the 2000s

OmerCarrothers333 > fhrblig 06/19/2019 at 00:33

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I thought they were good cars.

fhrblig > OmerCarrothers333 06/19/2019 at 00:36

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I like the Dart. The Crosstour gives me hives.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 06/19/2019 at 00:46

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i think longevity o f the premium market would improve once everyone got off the hp hypetrain. 

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 06/19/2019 at 01:29

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Everyone who says it’s too slow or basic is missing the point of what a 3 Series should be. Just look at the E21 320i. That thing was considered borderline boring and on the slower side, yet it captures what BMW intended with the 3-Series. Fast forward to now and the F30 320i captures that same magic.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 06/19/2019 at 02:51

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Drive one and let’s see if you say the same thing after that.

Also, if your family’s Odyssey trouble s are  anything to go by, I wouldn’t be too sure about knocking BMW reliability.

Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!! > fhrblig 06/19/2019 at 06:00

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Based on the near universal response that the 996 gets, Ill just keep my 996. Apparently the IMS fails on every 3rd engine start , the AOS will fail, the interior looks like a 95 Ford Taurus, and there are eggs on the hood. Cool. That’s why I could afford it. 

i86hotdogs > BigBlock440 06/19/2019 at 07:16

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I’d own the heck out of that

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc 06/19/2019 at 07:37

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I want an Omni to stuff a V6 in....

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > M.T. Blake 06/19/2019 at 07:39

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I mean, it’s hated for good reason.....

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > fhrblig 06/19/2019 at 07:41

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Name pretty much any unloved car of the 90s, I would probably love to have one, or love to own another.

The car I’d love to get back, our 2006 Stratus SXT 2.7L Sedan:

Despite all the hate the Stratus and the 2.7 gets, ours was a great car.

Monkey B > fhrblig 06/19/2019 at 07:59

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those things have frightening suspensions...you won’t want to use that 280hp.

pip bip - choose Corrour > fhrblig 06/19/2019 at 08:03

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Lada Samara

412GTI > jminer 06/19/2019 at 08:35

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People who have Crosstours love them. My father had two clients (insurance) total their crosstour and insisted on replacing it with another.

fhrblig > Monkey B 06/19/2019 at 09:34

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You’re speaking to a man who's gone off-roading in a Chevy Celebrity. Appropriate is not a word I'm familiar with.

MonkeePuzzle > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 06/19/2019 at 09:50

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that’s a nice camry

M.T. Blake > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 06/19/2019 at 10:11

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No good reason. 

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > M.T. Blake 06/19/2019 at 10:23

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There being numerous better choices for minivans ( all of which cost far less ) would be a good reason...

Sorry, they just drive soooooo terribly.

Land_Yacht_225 > Just Jeepin' 06/19/2019 at 10:37

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If I'm making the life destroying mistake of buying a convertible SUV, you'll find me in the barren wasteland that is my local Land Rover sales department.

Just Jeepin' > Land_Yacht_225 06/19/2019 at 10:40

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Life not yet destroyed.