The results of the survey I bugged you about are that you don't like talking about salary with employers

"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein)
05/31/2019 at 10:26 • Filed to: None

Hey y’all, here’s the results of the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

DISCUSSION (14)

dogisbadob > Textured Soy Protein
05/31/2019 at 10:36

There is NO valid reason to ask for or give out salary history.

For the salary requirements, only after the job of fer. Unless the salary was already provided in the original ad.

Textured Soy Protein > dogisbadob
05/31/2019 at 10:41

I as a recruiter am not going to bring anyone in for an in-person interview who I don’t already know is in the ballpark for the approved salary range for the job.

I don’t need to know their history, I don’t need to know their final number that will get them to accept the job, but I do need to know they’re at least looking for something that’s in line with what we as a company are prepared to pay.

3point8isgreat > Textured Soy Protein
05/31/2019 at 10:43

I would have said only after offer, but I’ve been in some situations where them calling and asking saved us both a bunch of time by finding out early that our numbers were too far apart. Also can be weird going through a whole interview process without knowing whether they can even match what you currently make.

dogisbadob > Textured Soy Protein
05/31/2019 at 10:46

Then why not post the pay range in the ad?

Textured Soy Protein > 3point8isgreat
05/31/2019 at 10:48

That’s exactly why I ask folks at the beginning what they’re looking to make. Most everyone is fine with being asked about it as part of a phone interview, and if anyone's not comfortable, I always tell them that I'm not trying to nail them does with a final number, I only want to make sure they're on target with our range and that we'll be able to offer something they like down the road.

Textured Soy Protein > dogisbadob
05/31/2019 at 11:03

Even if we post the pay range in the ad, that doesn’t guarantee people who apply are within the range. People apply to jobs for all sorts of reasons and as an employer I can’t assume that just because I put the range on the ad that any given candidate is in the range.

Tapas > Textured Soy Protein
05/31/2019 at 11:21

I want to get the salary based on the job I will be doing, not based on a salary I used to get.

The salary should only depend on the services this company is asking for right now.

Have you ever been to a grocery store and paid for things based on your bill from the last trip ?

Textured Soy Protein > Tapas
05/31/2019 at 11:27

That’s how things should be. Unfortunately some employers only want to pay people as much as they have to and nothing more .

Tapas > Textured Soy Protein
05/31/2019 at 11:35

True.

I certainly wouldn’t want to facilitate that. HR shouldn’t expect an honest answer from me if the answer will help someone pay me less.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > Textured Soy Protein
05/31/2019 at 11:51

I mean... if we’re talking ideal, my preference is the employer tells me upfront the range they’re willing to pay (because we all know that is a fixed thing at most corporations), I tell them if that is acceptable, and then we proceed.

But we know this isn’t a perfect world and what they want you to say a number on the off-chance they can get you on the cheap Ignoring that means in a couple months/years when you find out what your coworkers are making you get butt hurt and either ask for more money, which they can’t/won’t give you because of he systems in place to prevent large salary increases, or you quit, costing them far more than if they’d just paid you properly in the first place.

But by all means lets just keep this game going.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Textured Soy Protein
05/31/2019 at 15:24

This is a good option.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > dogisbadob
05/31/2019 at 15:34

Disagree. In my line of work it’s helpful to know what a technician’s previous employer paid because that might give us an indication of this technician’s real-world skill level.

It’s only a very small part of the story and definitely not what an offer needs to be based on. Sometimes people exaggerate, or embellish, when it comes to their skills and experience. Pay history can help see through that.

Usually in those cases, the employee will have a 90 day review at which point their pay will be reevaluated. Not reduced mind you. But raises are given where they are due in my shop.

Another scenario; a technician is interested in leaving his current employer. We offer him X, without knowing his current pay . But then find out that’s below what he’s currently making. So we might then bump the offer to match or go above his current pay.

I know this doesn't fit most scenarios. Nothing about my industry does. And I know salary history is more often used for nefarious purposes. But there are benevolent reasons to know it.

dogisbadob > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
05/31/2019 at 15:53

No, it doesn’t. It only tells you how much someone was paid before. That’s it.

And your field sounds like unions could be involved. That makes salary history even more irrelevant due to even wider disparities.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > dogisbadob
05/31/2019 at 16:49

Oh it absolutely can tell me that. Especially if I know the previous employer. Which I probably do. It’s a small world.

Unions are only involved in CA as far as I know.