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"Justino6969" (justino6969) 05/03/2019 at 13:13 • Filed to: None

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I’m considering looking at a 2017 F150 (CPO, XT, crew cab, 2.7, 4WD, Sync, STX) this weekend. Any Oppo owners have a current gen F150? Anything I should look out for or be aware of? Anything you love or hate about your truck? Thanks!

Gerry197 > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 13:27

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I bought a new at the time 2015 F150 XLT Supercab 2WD 2.7L. I got the supercab because I wanted a 6.5ft bed while still being able to fit it in my garage.

Its honestly been the best overall vehicle I have owned in terms of usability, performance, reliability and cost of ownership, especially when taking in depreciation into account.

However, I’ve mostly owned German sedans, so you can take that with a grain of salt lol. I did roll a VW CC with $4000 negative equity into my truck loan, and in just 3 years, I actually owe less than what my truck is worth! Low deprecation should be taking into account, full size trucks have impressive resale.

That 2.7L is fast, it will actually do 0-60 in less than six seconds. It can be fuel efficient if you can keep it off boost.

The only thing I want to mention is that the Ecoboost motor is Eco or Boost, not both. Its faster than the 5.0L, but will suck down fuel even more if you use it that way.

Drive it carefully, and you will get low to mid 20s mpg.  Also, check to see if you can get a better deal new instead of a CPO, especially when in factor in rebates and interest.   

Discerning > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 13:28

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I have a 2018. There isn't much to look out for that I'm aware of. 

Discerning > Gerry197 05/03/2019 at 13:30

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It’s faster than the pre-2018 5.0, but its slower than the 2018+ 5.0 when both vehicles are similarly equipped.

I even beat my coworkers 2018 3.5 EcoBoost with my 5.0. Both crew can obviously.

The 10 speed and the heavily revised 5.0 make a huge difference.

Fo r refere nce, car and driver tested the 2017 3.5 EcoBoost and the 2018 5.0. Both trucks ran the 1/4 in 14.4 seconds. The V8 trapped 98mph and the 3.5 trapped 97mph

Spaceball-Two > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 13:36

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I have a 2013 XLT. I love it. Does everything. Hauls kids, goes camping, weekend projects, and it’s actually pretty quick for something the dimensions of a barn . A few things to note. Watch the seal on the third brake light. It’s prone to cracking and then water gets in and the headliner gets damp. Ford Sync is kind of a crap shoot. It either works great or it just shits the bed and you have to find a work around by disconnecting the battery and rebooting . I’ve read about the short life their alternators. I had to replace mine at 65k to the tune of about $400. Now I don’t know if that’s exclusive the V8 like mine or the 2.7 but it sucked losing power steering in rush hour traffic.

Fuckkinja > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 14:09

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We are on 8th f150 4x4 lease. 2.7 eb since 2014. They are great trucks. We haven’t had any maintenance because of the lease. One of my employees has a 2015 with over 200,000 miles with no issues. The trucks out work my Chevy trucks by a large margin. The dash says 17.9 mpg in 6000 miles.

We went stx on this on instead of xlt. The only things I miss are  the power seats and heated mirrors.

Justino6969 > Discerning 05/03/2019 at 14:10

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Have you ever driven a slightly older one with the older transmission ? The one debate I’m having is the 6 speed vs the 10 speed. Don’t know if it’s worth the extra few grand to have more gears.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 14:50

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The 2.7 is a very flexible engine and does fine with the 6-speed, but the 10-speed is an impressive unit, it’s got a ratio for every occassion and is remarkably resistent to hunting, despite all the choices on tap. Also, our 2018, supercab XL , 4x4, payload package (3.73 gears) 2.7 can manage 28 mpg if you drive conservetavely, and it hauls our 7000lblivestock trailer like nothing, and gets 12mpg doing it. Also, the straight-line acceleration is legit fast. Its a very impressive powertrain package. Its a great truck, I truely understand why they are the best selling vehicle in America. Versatile, comfortable, surprisingly quiet and refined, great powertrain, good brakes, acceptable handling (it is a truck, after all). Rattles in the suicide door latches seem par for the course on very rough roads.

Discerning > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 14:51

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I have not, sorry

EngineerWithTools > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 15:23

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I have a 2015 F-150 4x4 XLT Sport (I think, I de-stickered it on day 1), 3.5 EB, crew cab, “long” bed (same length as the short bed on my previous F-250) , towing package, blue flame, gray cloth interior, covered with Wet Okele covers since new . The 2015s have the older 6-speed and previous EB motor, although without the intercooler condensation issues of the previous model truck.

It’s the only vehicle I’ve ever bought new, now with ~74k on it. One data point doesn’t prove anything, so ymmv...

There have been a few recalls. N o problems, or even a hint of problems with the engine or transmission. It hasn’t thrown any CELs or failed to start. The finish and aluminum body have held up great and it still shines when clean . Like any car, the exterior black plastic and rubber need some Back-To-Black once in a while to stay sharp.

I have only had one quality issue: The pano sunroof is currently broken (track, not glass). I understand there were sunroof   assembly issues early on in production, and mine is definitely early production. The track assembly is a relatively cheap $250-ish, but I believe replacement requires removing the seats, front and back . (So, normal Ford maintenance item.) Eventually I’ll do it , or pay someone to do it .

Some suggestions about some design “quirks” : If the truck doesn’t have the plastic rear wheel liners, buy and install them (wheels have to come off). Because of the way the bed is constructed, the wheels will throw water into it without the liners. Also, if you’re going to do your own oil changes, install a Fumoto valve. A valve keeps you from having to remove the under-engine cover before you drain the oil (maybe this only applies to the 3.5s) . I think the 2017s have the new Sync 3 system. Sync 2 works but is laughably “wow, someone approved this for production?” quirky.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 15:27

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I bought a new 2017 F-150 with the 2.7 a couple of years ago. It has been a fantastic truck, and that motor is deeply impressive (especially towing). I’ve never really encountered a situation , even towing, where I felt there would be substantial benefits to having more than six gears. I would probably consider the 10- speed to be a very marginal upgrade that isn’t worth the cost if you found an older truck with the 6-speed that was otherwise what you wanted.

In terms of durability , 33k of oil analysis at each service is showing my truck to be wearing spectacularly well (and there was a very obvious break-in period that took until about 10k to settle out).

My truck has the uncommon, short 3.73 gears in the back. While they’re fantastic for towing, they’re definitely costing a few mpg unloaded on the highway. Depending on what you’re towing/how far/how often/your towing expectations, the taller gears might be a better choice.

Like others have said, driving with a heavy foot will bring a very substantial fuel mileage penalty. If you drive the turbo( s) around town being strategic about when, where and how you spool them up, it will reward you. If you drive like a V-8 and just press the gas without a strategy, you’ll pay for it at the pump. Mine returns around 19-20mpg in town, 22-23mpg on the highway at 80mph, and between 10 -17mpg towing at 80mph (depending on the trailer, wind, terrain , ect...). The key to extracting fuel economy on the highway is cruise control . Driving without it, most of the time the smallest throttle input your foot can possibly make will still spool up the t ur bos more than needed, with the corresponding drop in mpg. As a bonus, these trucks engine brake automatically, and aggressively , with the cruise control.

Fuckkinja > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 15:35

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I preferred the 6 speed. The ten is always shifting. It feels like a cvt. 

Justino6969 > Fuckkinja 05/03/2019 at 15:57

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Perfect response, and just what I was worried about. Thanks!

Captain of the Enterprise > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 16:21

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My dad had a 2015 and now a 2018. I liked both. At some point they switched to the ten speed. Both seem fine to me but I think the ten gets better gas mileage. They are large but you know that going in. Only really annoying thing for me was having to turn of auto start stop every time I got in it. But if your fine with that then it’s good. I don’t think it’s a deal breaker just annoying. Both of his were the 2.7 and it felt pretty good. They are lighter than previous gens which you feel when driving it it a great way. 

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > EngineerWithTools 05/03/2019 at 16:22

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The 2.7 actually has a plastic oil pan and drain plug that is more of a  cam lock type quarter turn-only that requires no tools . The large undercover does have to be removed via a four of 8mm screws to acc ess the drain plug

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Captain of the Enterprise 05/03/2019 at 16:24

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You can actually easily install a jumper wire on the auto start/stop switch that will keep it permanently disabled so long as the jumper is in place.

Justino6969 > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 05/03/2019 at 16:44

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Thanks for that, I would 100% do that. One of the first things I did on my current car was disable the auto start/stop.

Captain of the Enterprise > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 05/03/2019 at 17:24

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Very good to know! I figured someone had a work around but it’s not actually my truck so I let it be. 

MOARPower > Justino6969 05/03/2019 at 17:58

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If you are concerned about anything, I would just buy an extended warranty. I recently purchased an F350, and the warranty has been worth it. Less than 36k and they are replacing the sunroof, headlights, cameras, seat compressors for the lumbar in both seats, the fuel tank float, tailgate latch/release, accident avoidance system radar and that is all I can think of at the moment. That being said, I love the truck and I think my extended warranty will be worth every penny. The headlights alone are $1,250 each and the glass is $1,800. Once it comes back from the dealer I can give a rundown.

Justino6969 > MOARPower 05/03/2019 at 21:39

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I’ve never owned a Ford, which is why I’m looking at CPO trucks. This one has 14.5k miles, so it still has the rest of the regular truck warranty, an extra 12 month/12k mile bumper to bumper warranty after that expires , and then 84 mo/100k mi powertrain.

Discerning > Gerry197 05/03/2019 at 22:44

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I just realized that your first reply back to me said this: “ The fastest tested F150 is the 2.7L Ecoboost”

Care to change that statement?

Funny how quickly it turned into: same driver, same day, same...

And you mentioned how every time they are compared side to side, the 2.7 wins. But the truth is they were only compared side by side once: in a test where they weigh radically different and e ve ry version runs very slow times. And despite e ve ry other editorial managing 0-60 times that are relatively close between the 2.7, 3.5 and 5.0, TFLD manages times that are very different. Wonder why that is. Could it be that the trucks were supplied by a vendor with their own interests in mind? Could it be the high elevation? Or could it be that the three are very different in trim and layout and no specs were provided regarding weight?

Discerning > Gerry197 05/04/2019 at 07:05

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If all you have is the TFLD test and you see nothing wrong with it and think it’s conclusive then there is literally nothing else to discuss here

You said it was fastest and it’s not. If that isn’t good enough, then there’s still nothing worth discussing.

I'm not going to waste any more time here. 

Gerry197 > Discerning 05/04/2019 at 13:04

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We were having a good conversation for a bit, I’m not trying to be an a-hole, sorry if I’m coming across that way.

I agreed with you based on the new Car & Driver Test that the fasted tested regular F-150 is the 5.0L.

All I was trying to say is that it doesn’t mean its faster than the 2.7L or 3.5L, because it a time done in isolation .  

All we have is the TFLD test for 2018 models, it isn’t perfect but still valid for comparison.  I guess we can revisit this when new data becomes available. 

Discerning > Gerry197 05/04/2019 at 19:48

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U nderstood. I can’t help but question the TFLD video as the vehicles technically weren’t even factory vehicles, as they were provided by 5star. There’s so little information provided in general.

I didn’t know the 2.7 was as fast as it is. I feel pretty comfortable that all three engines are very comparable. I’ll have to keep my eye out for a 2.7tt to play with if I ever go to the track with this thing.

The fact that it isn't terribly slow is nice, but ultimately I miss having a fun car. It's been years since the Z06 and I'm already tired of the F150 acceleration.

Gerry197 > Discerning 05/05/2019 at 00:53

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I hear yea and that’s fair enough!

For my weekend fun, I picked up a 1994 Corvette coupe. A car I always wanted when I was in high school, with a very rare manual transmission. Bought it for a song and use it when I want some fun on the weekends.

Lots of cheap fun rides in that $3,0 00 - 7,500 price point that isn’t a motorcycle.   

Discerning > Gerry197 05/05/2019 at 07:33

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The LT1 C4 is a good car.

I’m lea ning now towards motorcycles since I’ve always wanted one and I've already done the sports car thing a few times

Gerry197 > Discerning 05/05/2019 at 14:01

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I have bikes, I ride mostly my SV650S. Great thing about them especially if you buy used is that they hold their value for many years, so it’s money in the bank (excluding consumables, maintenance, insurance, etc.).

Even the most mundane bikes are faster than most sports cars. Only issue is there is a narrow window where riding is enjoyable, similar to a convertible.

Weather not too cold or too hot or wet. Otherwise it becomes a chore instead of a joy.

You can get a decent used bike in the $2,500 - $5,000 range and really enjoy yourself.  Make sure to take a motorcycle safety course before you get your first bike.   

Discerning > Gerry197 05/05/2019 at 14:24

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I took a basic rider course a week or so ago