*Car bloat intensifies*

"Tapas" (tapas) 04/16/2019 at 16:12 • Filed to: None

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!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! I remember the good old days when cars like the Mini Cooper took like 5 to 7 years with a few fairly good lo oking iterations before becoming truly bulbous and ugly.

Good news is that it no longer looks terrible. Bad news is that it is still unpleasant to look at and continues to exist.

AfromanGTO > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 16:36

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I hate car bloat so much. I remember how bloated we all thought the Challenger was when it first came out. I wish someone would do a photoshop taking 4-6 inches out of the sides of most modern cars.

Tapas > AfromanGTO 04/16/2019 at 16:38

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The Challenger has thankfully reached peak length.....so they’re going wider. And wider.

Looking at current trends, I have no clue how far we will bloat before bloat becomes untenable lol

Ash78, voting early and often > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 16:44

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I drove by a Buick place a couple days ago and saw something called “Avenir” that was basically the size of the old Enclave. All I can guess is they’re just forcing these new models in and tweaking the old ones to create space for them.

Tapas > Ash78, voting early and often 04/16/2019 at 16:52

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I see this trend with other car makers too.

The Rogue bloated into a car with a whole third row. Then the Quashqai and Kicks filled the gap between a “full size” CUV (Rogue) and the Micra .

Svend > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 16:54

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Looks okay. So the new Encore (aka Mokka) is leading more towards the Vauxhall Crossland.

Which is the midway between the Vauxhall Mokka and the Vauxhall Grandland.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 16:56

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Bloat?

1992 Caravan: 178  L x 72 W x 66-68 H, 3,432 lbs.

2019: 203 L x 79 W x 68 H, 4,483 lbs.

Only a little “bloat”  

Tapas > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 04/16/2019 at 17:05

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I don’t think all cars bloat at the same rate, which is good.

Minivans also tend to have fewer iterations for some reason.

Little irrellevant, b ut yikes! I didn’t realize there was a 1000lb difference between the two models.

412GTI > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 17:06

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Aye it finally debuted. I saw a camouflaged one a few months ago. Although it looks bigger, I wouldn’t complain compared to the egg shape disaster the current one is.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 17:07

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There’s almost a 400 lbs difference between the 1st and 2nd gens. The 3rd gen only gained about 100 lbs, but somehow wore it terribly. The 4th gen gained another 400 lbs ( 800 over the 1st gen ) and wore it even worse. The latest gen gained another 500-ish lbs ( about 1,400 over the 1st gen ) and feels every bit of a 4400 lb vehicle except the GT trim.

Here’s hoping they’ll make a lighter Caravan with a turbo 4/manual combo again!

Tapas > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 04/16/2019 at 17:09

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400 lbs?! Whoa!

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 17:11

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Yep, 1st gen was 2,934 lbs. 

Tapas > 412GTI 04/16/2019 at 17:12

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The current one does suck. And this is better, like a mild stabbing is better than a fatal one.

Please know, I hold un reasonaly strong opinions about certain things. I do  see how this version will gain many more customers.

Tapas > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 04/16/2019 at 17:12

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That is amazingly light by today's standards!

bhtooefr > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 04/16/2019 at 17:26

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Is that 1992 a Grand or not? (Worth comparing apples to apples, IIRC a non-grand has the third row against the rear window practically.)

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 17:38

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For a 7 passenger minivan no less...

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > bhtooefr 04/16/2019 at 17:42

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The Grand is 193" long, it gained about 4" between the 2nd/3rd row, and a good chunk behind the 3rd row. The non-grand (swb) has plenty of room behind the 3rd row and decent space between rows, the grand is just slightly more roomy overall.

So still 10" shorter in length than the modern van, 7" narrower, and still 800 lbs lighter.

for Michigan > Ash78, voting early and often 04/16/2019 at 17:47

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Avenir is a trim package. Think Buick’s version of GMC’s Denali. What you saw was probably the new Enclave Avenir .

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 04/16/2019 at 23:29

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That’s over 2 feet longer! 6 inches wider.

That is a much bigger car. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Tapas 04/16/2019 at 23:34

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I’m looking forward to the next economic collapse that should lead to cars getting smaller and cheaper for little while.  

Think about it all other pieces of technology gets cheaper over time. Cars have only gotten more and more expensive way beyond just inflation. We need a bad economy to encourage simplification and downsizing.

That’s a positive spin on the inevitable doom we face. 

Ash78, voting early and often > for Michigan 04/16/2019 at 23:39

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Ahh, thanks. The last time I remember Buick doing a named trimline was the Electra Park Avenue, IIRC :D

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/17/2019 at 06:48

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The very interesting part is the new one seems to have very little “extra” room inside despite all its extra size.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 04/17/2019 at 08:40

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Acouod be that some of the length is just in the hood, plus stow n go seating has to take up some room.?

Tapas > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/17/2019 at 09:32

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Cars and real estate.

C’mon Trump! Show us the depths of our depravity! (Actually, please don’t. )

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Tapas 04/17/2019 at 09:56

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The worst part is a national recession, as we’ve seen, hits  the middle class the hardest.  

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 04/17/2019 at 10:09

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SNG takes up floor space, but shouldn’t effect leg/shoulder/hip room, actually it should take up less room as the SNG seats are generally slimmer so they can fit in the floor.

Not sure if there’s any more hood length, but it’s doubtful.