"CB" (jrcb)
02/28/2019 at 17:54 • Filed to: I swear I'm not funded by medium oil
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"CB" (jrcb)
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Great that it’s finally out, but it’s got a feeling of “finally” rather than actual excitement. Years ago, a (relatively) inexpensive electric car with a 220 mile range would have been crazy. How have we reached the point that it’s such an almost boring thing? Maybe doing it not at an auto show and on a random Thursday in February doesn’t help.
LongbowMkII
> CB
02/28/2019 at 18:03 |
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Order it in the fall and expect 2021 delivery I assume
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CB
> LongbowMkII
02/28/2019 at 18:04 |
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Probably.
SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> CB
02/28/2019 at 18:20 |
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The problem I have is that this is still at least an AU$50K car (if not more) in its most basic spec .
And there’s other options with similar performance but better specification available from mainstream brands like Nissan and Hyundai....for less coin.
AestheticsInMotion
> CB
02/28/2019 at 18:38 |
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It’s amazing what being the “it” brand is worth. I’m expecting this to wreak even more havoc than it already has with sales of other entry-level luxury offerings
The car itself is n ot super exciting to me personally, but I do like to see Tesla progressing.
VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
> CB
02/28/2019 at 18:44 |
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35k, even with the tax credit of 3k or whatever, is alright for electric, but for now I’d rather have a 10- 20 k car that gets 30-40 mpg. The gadgets in the Model 3 are excellent and I’m sure they’ll have lots of sales, but I’ve blown my wad already for this year.
I’m going to change my mind as soon as the next gen Model 3 type car arrives I bet, though.
The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock
> CB
02/28/2019 at 19:02 |
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You thought the $65k model was terrible build quality. H old my electrons, watch this.
gettingoldercarguy
> CB
02/28/2019 at 19:14 |
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I have not lost excitement for another electric car, nor have I lost lamentation for the inevitable demise of the ice.
Auto shows are relics of a pre internet age.
nermal
> VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
02/28/2019 at 19:17 |
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There is literally nobody cross shopping a Tesla with the Mitsubishi Mirage that you’re referring to .
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nermal
> CB
02/28/2019 at 19:24 |
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It’s kinda like smart phones or computers or any other new technology. Teslas are moving from the expensive, early adopter part of the development lifecycle to the mainstr eam part .
They’re gonna sell the crap out of these. It’s worth the extra cost over a Bolt or a Leaf, and $10k+ cheaper than an i3.
Other EVs won’t even be the biggest competitor. They’ll steal sales from basically every other car in the $30k - $40k range.
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VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely
> nermal
02/28/2019 at 19:41 |
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That’s only if you consider new. I buy 2-3 year used, lot of cars fall into that.
And yes, i’m the only one cross shopping them.
Tekamul
> AestheticsInMotion
02/28/2019 at 20:20 |
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Having been in a 3, they were already kinda borderline to be considered ‘luxury.’ Now you’ve got manual cloth seats, bargain speakers, and whatever they can strip out of it.
Is it time to stop classifying it on price alone?
bhtooefr
> SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
02/28/2019 at 21:19 |
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Although the Nissans still don’t have battery cooling, and even when they have pervasive CHAdeMO available , the charging situation really isn’t good.
The Hyundai Kona also won’t charge as well as a Tesla either, and there’s apparently talk of pricing being “ definitely under (AU)$60,000 or $70,000 ".
(That said, for the Australian market, looks like both CCS and CHAdeMO are far more pervasive than Superchargers... currently, anyway.)
MrDakka
> CB
02/28/2019 at 21:22 |
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If you get the bare bones peasant class $25k model, it’ll be $18k here in California with the federal, state and SCE rebates . At that price, it’s worth it for me.
I need a cheap decent looking BEV for my commute.
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AestheticsInMotion
> Tekamul
02/28/2019 at 21:40 |
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In hard product offered, sure. But they’ve got the image, which really i s 90% of what sells entry level luxury products, no? Step in a CLA and tell me that that’s luxury. But it's got a MB badge and it can financed with a relatively low income.
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MrDakka
> MrDakka
02/28/2019 at 22:35 |
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Ghetto edit: Of course, it’ll still be 3 series money upfront, but with the $3750 federal tax credit, kommiefornia’s $2500, and SCE’s $1000 rebate, it’ll be $7,250 I can claim.
So $35,000-$7,250 = $27750 before factoring in the ridiculous gas prices in SoCal.
Then again the Polestar 2 would get the full federal t ax credit when it's released.
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SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media
> bhtooefr
03/01/2019 at 02:08 |
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The Hyundai Ioniq sedan in its pure electric form starts at AU$50k driveway. Kona Electric hasn’t launched yet but it’ll have to be sub AU$60k.
Tesla won’t match this here. And technical brilliance won’t beat specification and price. Otherwise people would be driving very different cars to what they do now.
Superchargers are only found on major highways between capital cities plus a few places within those cities. And, like Tesla, they have minimal brand recognition... because Tesla doesn't advertise nor have accessible shop fronts. Only the already converted know they exist.
davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> MrDakka
03/01/2019 at 09:32 |
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$28k still ain’t exactly “cheap”. Are you considering one?
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MrDakka
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
03/01/2019 at 10:50 |
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Yes, because I’d get access to the carpool lane, which is nice considering it takes me 2 hrs to travel the 40 miles that is my commute.
Not sure if I'll pull the trigger just yet though
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> MrDakka
03/01/2019 at 10:52 |
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https://oppositelock.kinja.com/epas-basis-for-tesla-model-3-fuel-savings-1832985846