Green New Deal-isitelock [Politics, I guess?]

"For Sweden" (rallybeetle) 02/07/2019 at 11:45 • Filed to: Politics, Whimsy

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Finally, a economic policy for people like me!

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5729035-Green-New-Deal-FAQ

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:52

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Damn, that’s going to trigger some people. It’s very unfortunately worded.

For Sweden > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/07/2019 at 11:52

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What do you mean unfortunately worded? This is a perfect way to gain support from millennials .

WilliamsSW > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:55

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Christmas in February for the right.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:55

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Dru > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:55

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Fox News implodes in 3...2...1...

For Sweden > WilliamsSW 02/07/2019 at 11:56

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The American Right will pay for nor courting the votes of Lazy Americans

For Sweden > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/07/2019 at 11:57

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Everyone knows the Soviets loved supporting people unwilling to work.

WilliamsSW > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:57

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Oh, they do - it’s just a different kind of lazy

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:58

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Haha, I think plenty of millennials will like me believe that you shouldn’t encourage unwillingness to work as a way to gain economic security. A small percentage will likely fall under that category by gaming the system, but you don’t just come right out and say you are going to do this.

fintail > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:59

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Oh the TEM syndrome sufferers are going to love this.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 11:59

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Haha! And who writes it “World War 2"?

Someone wrote this up on their train ride in that morning. 

For Sweden > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/07/2019 at 12:01

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Those millennials are class traitors

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/07/2019 at 12:02

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“(important to say so someone else can’t claim this mantle)“

Are these just internal notes mistakenly dispersed to the press?  

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:02

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Are you doing a thing? You’re doing a thing aren’t you?

Mercedes Streeter > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:03

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Thankfully it’s not No Nut November because the right is going to love this!

Seriously though, what are they trying to mean with that line?

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > WilliamsSW 02/07/2019 at 12:04

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I’m amazed that this came out worded like it is, that’s a very very unfortunate thing to put in there. Why would you ever encourage “unwillingness to work” and on top of that pay people for it? Even if you are thinking about providing a guaranteed minimum income to all Americans, you never connect it with the words “for those unwilling to work”, that’s just ammo for opponents.

I personally do enjoy pointing out to opp o nen ts of socialist policies that Alaskans have a guaranteed income (in the form of a state run investment fund) and that it works quite well!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/07/2019 at 12:05

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“When JFK said we’d go to the by the end of the decade, people said impossible.”

For Sweden > Mercedes Streeter 02/07/2019 at 12:06

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I assume it means they want to financially support people unwilling to work.

For Sweden > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/07/2019 at 12:07

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Perhaps that thing is hearing the people sing? Singing a song of angry men?

Mercedes Streeter > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:07

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That’s what I assume as well...but...like...seriously?

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:08

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Sing it back to me (sing it)
Bring it back (sing it)
Sing it back (sing it)
Bring it back
Sing it back to me

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:09

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Is that what I think it means? Economic support through taxpayer money for the willfully unemployed? as opposed to those who cannot work due to physical disability -medical reasons, old age whatever ?

Whooo boy!

For Sweden > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 12:10

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Wakanda could support people unwilling to work

nermal > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:11

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This policy is clearly written by somebody who has never had a real economic struggle in their life.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:12

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Wakanda supports Wakandans.

WilliamsSW > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/07/2019 at 12:12

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Never underestimate the left’s ability to shoot itself in the foot.

The interesting thing about the Alaska Permanent Fund is that it’s essentially collecting taxes from corporations and distributing them to residents. :) :) 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Mercedes Streeter 02/07/2019 at 12:12

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Socialism, baby. 

For Sweden > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 12:14

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Except for the exiled Jabari  

CobraJoe > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 02/07/2019 at 12:20

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Is that what I think it means? Economic support through taxpayer money for the willfully unemployed? as opposed to those who cannot work due to physical disability -medical reasons, old age whatever?

Whooo boy!

There’s certainly a large gap between what the government would be giving to someone unwilling to work, and the amount of payment one would need to receive to live comfortably.

But think of it this way:  Any social safety net will occasionally catch some bottom feeders.  

CobraJoe > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 12:37

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Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work

This could mean a few different things...

It could mean an attempt at a universal basic income. Probably won’t amount to enough to pay for any comforts past basic food and housing.

It could be a legacy topic from FDR that is added to foster debate.

It could be just a thorn for the Republicans to focus on and achieve a “win” by removing it while the rest of the package is passed with little change.  

interstate366, now In The Industry > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 02/07/2019 at 12:49

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I think you accidentally a word there.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > WilliamsSW 02/07/2019 at 13:31

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Yeah, I’ve learned not to underestimate that.

Yup, for what is typically a red state, this is a very blue thing of them to do, when you dissect it. But it’s oil-related so therefore it isn’t.

WilliamsSW > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/07/2019 at 13:36

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Yeah, and never underestimate the right’s capacity for hypocrisy, either.  

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > WilliamsSW 02/07/2019 at 13:43

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Yeah, I got that message loud and clear during the state of the union.

I addition to that they also have a very large capacity for not even twisting the facts, but creating their own facts. It made me so mad during the SOTU. How is it legal to misstate the facts so badly that are simply lies ? Or as they like to call it: alternative facts.

Urambo Tauro > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 14:02

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Unwilling to work, you say? This is relevant to my interests.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 14:15

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They sent them to camp! Fun!

OPPOsaurus WRX > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 14:33

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i think we should help those who are unable to work, but those who are unwilling can go fuck themselves in their cardboard box

B/Xmrrmvr > Mercedes Streeter 02/07/2019 at 15:15

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Universal Basic Income I assume. I personally don’t support UBI but it’s low on my importance scale since I know it would be feasible. Also, this is only a Resolution so might as well swing for the fences.

Thankfully it’s not No Nut November because the right is going to love this!

I thought the right already loathes her ?

Mercedes Streeter > B/Xmrrmvr 02/07/2019 at 15:42

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Oh they most certainly do. I can almost hear the Fox News talking heads exploding from over here.

If they thought Obama was a Socialist they better buckle up! lol

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 16:14

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Australians call that one of four things: the dole, the NewStart allowance, the disability pension or just plain old sit-down money.

The fact is that it’s not enough to be a living wage so there’s the need to earn in order to have a lifestyle , there’s typically a quite an effort required by the recipient to keep getting it but most importantly the cost to the economy is still less than the costs that would be borne by having a load of penniless wastrels wandering around trying to scrounge or steal their daily bread and generally just be a burden on everybody else.

For Sweden > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 02/07/2019 at 16:16

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“Not enough to be a living wage” doesn’t sound like economic security

WilliamsSW > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/07/2019 at 16:29

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I didn’t watch - I know that’s what it would be like, and would just make my blood boil for no gain.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > WilliamsSW 02/07/2019 at 16:56

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yeah, you’re right, I shouldn’t have watched either, haha. I got especially mad when it came to that hot-button topic in NY that R’s have enjoyed miss-characterizing beyond belief.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > For Sweden 02/07/2019 at 20:24

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According to almost every politician I’ve ever heard on the topic over the last 30 years ....such a thing is either solidly aspirational but still achievable or  will be delivered in the next term of government if you vote for us.