"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 02/04/2019 at 11:07 • Filed to: None

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Noting that no one knows pickups like Americans, I humbly question why this headline exists:

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The T6 Ranger has been in production since 2011 for the global market . Even with small changes for the American market version, it’s basically the same truck. Why are people going crazy over it?

The interior is pretty old as well.

So it’s aesthetically challenged, and the only benefit over the F150 for a personal-vehicle type I can think of is the price... but is it worth it? For such an outdated design?

for a comercial vehicle it makes a tad more sense, but then again, wouldn’t it make more sense to get a Transit Connect? virtually the same weight capacity.

I mean, if you’re towing and need the absolutely cheapest way to do so, maybe the ranger works, with a 7000lb rating even with the base model. The Transit Connect can only pull 2000lb.

So I guess that’s the niche?

bob and john > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:12

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the ranger hasn’t been in the american market since like 2011 lol. The rest of the world got a different truck badgered the ranger, but it wasnt in the american market.

the truck the americans and canadians last saw as a ‘ranger’ had its roots in like...thwe 1980s

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:13

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Interior looks more outdated than my 2014 work Taco, which was first designed sometime before 2005.

Spanfeller is a twat > bob and john 02/04/2019 at 11:16

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The T6 Ranger has been in production since 2011. It was designed by Ford Australia.

Small changes to the frame were made for crash safety, and some aesthetic changes were made too. But it’s virtually the same truck that has been for sale across the world for eight years.

Nibby > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:17

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it’s considerably smaller than the F150 in size... I have a 2018 F150 crewcab .

As per price, yea the Ranger should be less but when optioned the way many people want them the price difference is borderline negligible since F150s are almost always heavily discounted.

Spanfeller is a twat > Nibby 02/04/2019 at 11:18

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An F150 2.7 lariat is something like 8k more expensive than a lariat Ranger.

Granted, the base models are only 4k apart.

CobraJoe > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:18

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The Ranger has been in production since 2011. Even with small changes for the American market version, it’s basically the same truck. Why are people going crazy over it?

This is the first new midsized truck in quite a while, and the pickup craze is in full swing here in the US.

The Colorado hasn’t been updated since ‘12, the Frontier was last updated in ‘04. The Tacoma is the only relatively recent refresh from 2016.

Plus, it’s the baby brother to the massive sales of the F150.

If I was in the market for a new truck, I’d definitely give the Ranger a look. 

Chuckles > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:19

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Across the world, but not in the USA.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:19

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To the American market it is new, especially to those (most) that don’t pay attention to the rest of the market. I don’t fault them for that either, they aren’t as interested as we are in forbidden mid size truck fruit. So to many it’s a new product. It certainly doesn’t look bad to me either.

To me however the interior looks a lot like my 2010 Taurus. Not a bad thing, I don’t hate it, but as you said it isn’t anything super-hip and current.

Spanfeller is a twat > CobraJoe 02/04/2019 at 11:22

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I feel like they just want to run the Tacoma out of market. The base models are only 100 0 dollars apart, but the engine in the Taco is way less powerful.

bob and john > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:23

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re-read what i said...it wasnt in the american market. 

Spanfeller is a twat > Chuckles 02/04/2019 at 11:24

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What I'm trying to say is that this is an outdated design, and it looks as such.

Spanfeller is a twat > bob and john 02/04/2019 at 11:24

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It doesn’t matter. It’s the same truck in disguise

What I'm trying to say is that this vehicle was designed eight years ago... it is way older than any of the competitors.

functionoverfashion > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:25

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I think lots of people just want something smaller than a 1/2 ton, even if it’s not cheaper. And hopefully more competition in the market will bring prices down a little?? Nah, people will still ask $15,000 for a 12 year old Tacoma with 200,000 miles on it.

Berang > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:27

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Americans want a Ford that’s not stupidly huge. That’s it.

bob and john > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:29

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I mean...not really.

whats the competition? the Colorado , which was released in 2013. thats a 6 year old design.

and the tacoma, which in theory dates back to 2004 (yea yea, there was a huge redesign in 2015, but its was modifications, not really an actual redesign.)

so its age/tech isnt that far off its competitors.

Spanfeller is a twat > functionoverfashion 02/04/2019 at 11:32

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It is a lot cheaper than the Tacoma, it could be a real threat.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:33

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First of all, the global Ranger has nothing in common with the old Ranger. The old Ranger is a Mazda B-series design.

Second, do you really think the American market cares at all? It’s a pickup and they’re convinced it’s going to be just like this:

punkgoose17 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:36

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There are a large number of Americans who will only buy 1 brand. So since we have not had a new Ranger 2011 and that model was last updated in ~2004 there is a fair amount of pent up demand.

Spanfeller is a twat > bob and john 02/04/2019 at 11:36

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Which is why I don't understand the crazyness. It's just as bad as the competitors from Chevy, and it doesn't have the cool factor from the Tacoma. It's cheaper I guess.

Spanfeller is a twat > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 02/04/2019 at 11:39

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omg... people are really hanging from this.

The T6 Ranger. Which is the one that Ford Australia designed and that the entire world has had since 2011 is virtually the same as the one being debuted as a 2019 model in the US. I'm not talking about the B series at any point.

HammerheadFistpunch > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:41

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All the midsize trucks are old

The 3rd gen Tacoma is a refreshed 2nd gen

The Canyorado are just refreshed Holdens

The Frontier is...well...just old.

So why not a new old Ranger?

Spanfeller is a twat > HammerheadFistpunch 02/04/2019 at 11:43

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I say throw caution to the wind and get a Ridgeline.

HammerheadFistpunch > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:44

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Because you want a truck?

E92M3 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:45

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I think it’s mostly due to size. Current full size trucks are huge. I don’t know about you but if I spent $50k+ on a vehicle, I want it to be able to park it i n my garage. Toyota sells a quarter million Tacom as year, and it’s underwhelming to say the least.

I do think they are making a bad decision to pay for so much overtime. It’s going to cut into their profits, and the pent up demand will equalize over time. Don’t be surprised if 2 years from now they have too much Ranger inventory, have to offer thousands in incentives to move them, and start laying off employees at the plant. I think they should pace themselves. 

jimz > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:45

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the entire point is that we didn’t get the Ranger here after 2011. enthusiasts knew about the T6 but the average person wasn’t even aware it existed.

What you’re seeing is “pent-up demand” now that smaller/midsize pickups are re-emerging. Full size pickups have become so damn big that people want alternatives.

let me give you an example of what that pent-up demand looked like. Late model PN150 Rangers (the old North American one) actually increased in value for a short period (~2014 until the announcement of the 2019.) I paid ~$20k for a very, very low mileage used 2011 in summer of 2014. a year later, dealers were listing trucks nearly identical to mine but with a lot more miles for a few thousand dollars more  than I paid. 

Spanfeller is a twat > HammerheadFistpunch 02/04/2019 at 11:47

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I mean... Most personal use Rangers are probably mall crawlers, and the ridgeline is pretty competitive in most regards , but it’s down on towing capacity by, erm, a lot.

Again, I think that the niche for the Ranger is cheap towing.

jimz > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 02/04/2019 at 11:47

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you’ve got that backwards. the later Mazda B-series was a Ranger twin. The old Courier from the ‘70s was a rebadged Mazda, but the Ranger has always been a Ford design.

functionoverfashion > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:47

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That right there might be all you need to know. Smaller than a 1/2 ton, cheaper than a Tacoma. Not a GM (if you have an issue with them for some reason).

That will sell quite a few units right there.

wafflesnfalafel > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:49

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No, I agree with you - I think the initial large surge is a bunch of somewhat nostalgic folks that have owned, or knew somebody that owned an original Ranger. I don’t think it’s a terrible truck, and honestly, it ought to be a bit of a hotrod in the segment with that motor, but I’m guessing interest will fairly quickly wane unless some other factor changes dramatically.  I’ll bet Ford is making good coin off every single one they sell right now.

Pickup_man > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:49

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Name recognition. The old American market Ranger was, and still is, a very popular truck and has a lot of fans. The Ranger hasn’t been sold in the US for 8 years now and people are excited for it to come back. Even though the design is old, it looks very competitive to the rest of the competition. As for why the Ranger over o ne of the competitors? The Colorado doesn’t have near the reputation or following that the Ranger does, the Tacoma is hella expensive, and the Frontier is just plain ancient at this point . I’m not saying the new Ranger won’t be any of those things, or be anything like the old one , but nostalgia is a hell of a drug.

bob and john > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:50

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yea BUT WE DIDNT GET IT. what part of that dont you understand? the worlds biggest pickup market didnt get a truck..and when they bring it to said market, you are shocked that the demand for it skyrockets?

Spanfeller is a twat > jimz 02/04/2019 at 11:51

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I have heard the outcry for a good midsize truck that isn’t a Tacoma . It makes sense for Ford to have the Ranger in the American market. But I really feel that the interior is a bit inadequate for a 2019 MY car, specially if they want to pull non-comercial sales.

Chuckles > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:52

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It might look outdated to you because you’ve seen it, but it looks fine to me.

Pickup trucks are becoming comically large. The average consumer does not need an F-150 for personal use, but Ford hasn't sold a Ranger here in years. Nobody buying this truck in America gives a shit that it's a design that's been on sale overseas since 2011. They just want a truck, and they don't want a full sized one. That's the market. 

Spanfeller is a twat > bob and john 02/04/2019 at 11:53

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So, it's FOMO?

Spanfeller is a twat > Chuckles 02/04/2019 at 11:55

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Rangers here are pretty much comercial vehicles for wierd businesses that couldn’t decide between a Ram700 or an F150. Feuncy consumers (who are known in the US as brodozers) get Rams or Tacomas.

jimz > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 11:58

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again, you’re thinking like an enthusiast. You’re vastly over-estimating how much it matters to most buyers. as long as the interior looks agreeable for the price point and doesn’t present functional or design issues, owners will be happy with it.

I’m biased, but I’d rather the Ranger’s cleaner, more simple layout than the busy mess that is the Colorado.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 12:02

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Remember, Ford is flogging off the EcoSport as “New!” In the American market. Just because it has been panned the world over for the last six years doesn’t mean Stupid Americans won’t bite on the “All new!!!!” Tag and buy the crap out of it... And it’s easily arguable, that old or not, the T6 ranger is at least a pretty decent midsize truck, (unlike thr EcoSport which is the most thourough way to completely ruin a Fiesta that hs ever existed) and given it’s equally (or more) anchient competition competition in the American market it will almost by default be a success. It offers the capability that most Americans think they need (but actually don’t) in a package that’s easier to park and cheaper to fuel than an F150. And unlike the (also quite good) Ridgeline it’s a “ REAL” truck, from an American brand so you can use it compensate for your small penis.

HammerheadFistpunch > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 12:05

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As other have said the niche appeal of midsize trucks is because people are starting to realize that they don’t need a gallon of ketchup , even if its a better value per oz .

I think we’ve reached peak truck size and people are going to start demanding more reasonable packaging.

The hotness of the midsize segment represents that many buyers are willing to trade value for size.  

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 12:06

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That plus a healthy dose of American Consumerism Run Rampant Idiocy, yes.

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 12:17

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That’s where you’re wrong. I’ve been in a 2019 frontier interior and it feels like a 2004, as it should. The Tacoma looks like it’s interio r has been phoned in for 10 years. The ranger is the best looking midsize truck interior, IMO. I don’t need any fancy shit and I hate stick on tablet center consoles. If the seats are comfortable and the truck can do what I want it to do, I see nothing wrong with the interior it has and it will be fine. This is coming from an enthusiast who is planning to buy a ranger as a daily in the not too distant future.

Spanfeller is a twat > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 02/04/2019 at 12:24

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Don't you utter those words again. Nissan is not welcome into any discussion until they burn everysingle CVT they've made.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 12:36

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Which is exactly why you are wrongheaded.

The US has never had that model . Period. We don’t give a flying fuck what you get in Australia or Europe or Kazakhstan . Because THAT SHIT WASN’T OFFERED IN THE US .

And as I pointed out with a damn picture , the idiots over here think they are getting a new tiny pickup. Something that hasn’t been offered by anyone over here in nearly a decade. They think it is going to be small . They do not understand that they are getting a very slightly smaller F150.

I mean seriously. You must not understand just how small the old Ranger was. Aside from the height, it was smaller than your average Ute. And I am NOT exaggerating. Despite being a body on frame, it tipped the scales at a measly 3000-3500lbs. Rear seats existed, but you sure as hell couldn’t call them usable. Interior styling straight out of the 1980's right up until 2012.  THAT is the truck people think they are getting and THAT is why the pent up demand is insane.

They do not understand that instead, they are getting something with a minimum 4000lbs curb weight that is nearly the size of an F150 and significantly larger than the competing GMC Canyon. I have seen and touched the 2019 Ranger, in the sheet metal, first hand. And a family member used to own a B-series Ranger. The 2019 is fucking MASSIVE by comparison, in every single dimension.

And as others have pointed out, full size pickups have turned into bloated monstrosities that have no business outside of a worksite. I can’t even get into the bed of an F150 without a ladder, and I’m literally average height. Even a GMC Canyon, I need those bumper steps, and it wasn’t a lifted model. Despite this, ‘small’ pickup sales are up nearly 20%. Hell, even Nissan Frontier sales went up 7% last year, despite needing carbon dating equipment to identify the actual model year .

So when people hear ‘Ranger’ they’re still thinking of the B-series that fit into the Compacts Only parking spots with ease. An actual small pickup that doesn’t look small, does pickup things, and doesn’t cost $50k+. So yes, a LOT of these potential buyers Ford is planning on are likely to be extremely disappointed.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > jimz 02/04/2019 at 12:38

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Eh, six of one, half dozen of the other back then anyway.

“Is it a Ford or is it a Mazda?”
“Yes.”

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 12:51

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This is mostly surprising because of the Gladiator. Why would anyone buy a Ranger with the Jeep truck coming So soon.

I’m not in the market bu my Dad is. He was waiting to replace his 2013 Ram 1500 with the new Ranger, until he heard that the Jeep trunk was confirmed 

Spanfeller is a twat > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 02/04/2019 at 13:10

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I feel like the Jeep is going to be way more expensive than the Ranger.... the Ranger tops out at around 40k... it is very cheap.

jimz > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 02/04/2019 at 13:15

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Uh, it drives and feels significantly smaller than an F-150.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 13:25

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Why are people going nuts for it?

This is what the last Ranger sold in the US looked like inside and out. It may be dated (and I specifically asked ford execs IN PERSON to bring it to the US in 2012 btw) but it looks like a space ship in comparison to this from 2011:

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > jimz 02/04/2019 at 13:27

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Yes, because they keep zapping the F150 with the embiggening ray. Not because it’s a small truck. The F150 has just turned into a fucking mutant that needs to stop mainlining steroids. Nevermind the fact that it costs more than a Porsche. (No, I am not joking.)

Compare it to an older F150 before everyone involved lost their fucking minds though? And aside from the handling (because of suspension setup differences) it’s actually not that different.

2004 Ford Ranger: 188-203" long, 69" wide, 68" high
2004 Ford F150: 211-248" long, 79" wide, 76" high
2019 Ford Ranger: 211" long, 86" wide, 72" high
2019 Ford F150: 209-251" long, 80-86" wide, 79" high

jimz > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 02/04/2019 at 13:38

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You seem way too heated up about this. Apparently you haven’t noticed that cars and trucks have grown in size across the board. Relative to its stable mates, the Ranger is a smaller truck. It’s not sharing space in the showroom with the 1987 F-150, so comparing it to one is pointless.

If you think it’s too big, don’t buy one.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 14:16

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Yeah probably but the Jeep is more capable and you can take the roof off

WiscoProud > HammerheadFistpunch 02/04/2019 at 14:47

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I completely agree. Size is one thing that has kept me out of a full size truck. I’m sure i would get used to it, but I just don’t need anything that big. I’d rather have maneuverability, than the ability to tow 12,000 lbs   

Alternatively, my wife loves giant vehicles. We had a rental Expedition EL and she loved it. It had more space in the back with the third row up than my land cruiser does period. 

Captain of the Enterprise > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 17:56

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It’s new to the US so people think it’s new and ford fans want it. People here don’t think it’s old

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 19:50

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All mid sized trucks...even the ones that the US ‘still’ doesn’t get are, by definition, old.

The newest of the traditional utes is perhaps the Hilux...in 2014? However, some of the Chinese mid sizers post date that.

Next complete newbie will be the Isuzu/Mazda...in 2020. After that, 2022/23 will be the sweet spot...

Ford/VW;  

Navara /X-Class/Alaskan/Trit on;

I don’t count the Gladiator as being a mid-sized pickup...it just won’t have the payload. It’s a mid size 4x4 with a tray.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Spanfeller is a twat 02/04/2019 at 21:20

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wouldn’t it make more sense to get a Transit Connect? virtually the same weight capacity.

yes, but that is too much logic for a a lot of truck buyers.

Here is the problem. the Frontier is cheap and durable. The Tacoma is expensive and very durable. On the other end is the Ridgeline. The most comfortable and really what 50% of truck buyers ac tu ally need. The Colorado and now ranger are somewhere in the middle.

Though the taco will have better resale and better longterm, it isn’t the most comfo rt able. Iti is the dictotomy of the truck market. They’re trying to cram  more capability, comfort, 4 doors without becoming 30 feet long. As noted below this is practically a F150 from 15 years ago. 

PS9 > Spanfeller is a twat 02/05/2019 at 00:33

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for the global market.

Here’s your answer. That other people have had it awhile is irrelevant. WE never did, so to us, it’s a new truck. Also ‘murican truck buyers ain’t got two shits to give about interior quality. Zero fucks given from them on that front.