Maximum wagon?

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 12/19/2019 at 15:26 • Filed to: these the kinds of things I be thinkin about

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Old question, new spin. What is the maximum height to length ratio that dis qualifies a wagon as a wagon?

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What is the smallest Height/Length ratio that is still a wagon? Also, there are obvious other ways to determine wagonness (based on a sedan, cargo to rear glass, etc). Im not going to debate if my method is best or even good.

“Wagons”

Outback .346 (take off the tall roof rails guess is .330)

allroad .316

TourX .296

E450 wagon/V90 - .299

XF sportbrake .302

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Tiguan .357

Highlander .352

Outback .346 (yeah, I did that)

Q8 .342

Macan GTS - .341

GLA AMG45 - .330

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Looks the Line is pretty solidly around .31-.32 though as you can see crossovers are encroaching on this numbers. Now hatchbacks...thats another matter.

Golf R - .339

Mazda 3 hatch - .323

Just some food for thought.

facw > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:34

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I don’t think it’s just height to length. I think body height is important. In my mind the Outback is a wagon whether it’s lifted or not (as a Legacy wagon if they still sold those ). The body proportions don’t change even though the car overall got higher.

HammerheadFistpunch > facw 12/19/2019 at 15:35

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well, like I said its not all length to height, but it is interesting to see the correlation.  

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:36

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are suburbans wagons

Amoore100 > Nibby 12/19/2019 at 15:40

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Caprice wagon

dogisbadob > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:40

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oops

My first thought was “Maxima Wagon” when I first saw the title! Too bad because that would be awesome :p

slipperysallylikespenguins > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:41

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I like this. My Caprice Classic wagon would be .281. Even lower without the roof rails.

I would consider the Outback to be a crossover these days.

Discerning > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:44

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The Cayenne and Macan both strike me as essentially wagons. Either that or really big hot hatches.

HammerheadFistpunch > Nibby 12/19/2019 at 15:45

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.330

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:46

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The outback is more wagon if you take ground clearance out of the equation.

I recently noticed how long and low cars like the CRV and RAV4 are getting, they seem much more wagon and less CUV than they used to.

HammerheadFistpunch > Discerning 12/19/2019 at 15:46

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According to the Golf R metric, they are firmly hot hatches.

Textured Soy Protein > facw 12/19/2019 at 15:48

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Agreed. It’s more about the height of the body to me, because the height of the car is influenced by the body and the suspension.

The Outback’s height number comes from the ground clearance that trounces many crossovers, and the superchunk roof rack that Subaru includes in the height measurement. Same with the Crosstrek vs the Impreza.

Impreza hatch:   57.3" high x 175.8 " long = .326

Crosstrek: 63.6" x 175.8" = .362

Legacy: 59.1" x 190.6 = .310

Outback: 66.1" x 191.3: .346

Legacy wagon, if it existed: 59.1 x 191.3 = .309

Raising the Legacy’s suspension puts its ratio firmly in the crossover category, but its body isn’t any taller. 

ShrimpHappens, née WJalopy > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:48

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Is availability as a sedan a qualifier for Wagon status?

Nibby > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:49

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damn yo

HammerheadFistpunch > ShrimpHappens, née WJalopy 12/19/2019 at 15:51

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could be...but a highlander is just a camry+ these days.

CB > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 15:55

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My Fiesta ST = .371

I am the Alpha.

HammerheadFistpunch > CB 12/19/2019 at 15:56

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Im afraid to tell you that you’re driving a crossover.

CB > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 16:00

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Almost!

EcoSport = .411

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 16:03

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0.31 and it is a hatch back!

RallyWrench > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 16:03

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Visually I’d define them based on the ratios of body height above and below the beltline in relation to length. Wagons, as I think we’d define them, have vertically shorter greenhouses. I’m pulling this out of thin air, but perhaps a wagon would have a greenhouse no more than 2/3 as tall as the height of the body side from rocker to beltline. Something like that, defined separately from ride height, because I think we can all agree that the XC70, Golf Alltrack,Buick CrossTour, etc are just lifted wagons. The Outback is walking a fine line nowadays, but I’d still put it in the wagon camp.

HammerheadFistpunch > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 12/19/2019 at 16:07

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My Land Cruiser (stock) is .388. hmm, maybe this metric isn’t that great, though it does say “wagon” on the title. 

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench 12/19/2019 at 16:09

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If this was the qualifier, almost every vehicle Range Rover is a wagon.

and 100 more > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 16:11

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RIP Venza

HammerheadFistpunch > CB 12/19/2019 at 16:12

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Still worse that my lifted land cruiser at .403

RallyWrench > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 12/19/2019 at 16:19

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Yeah, I thought of that, but don’t know how better to define it. Maybe the ratio would be closer to 1/2, I just pulled 2/3 out of my ass.

MrSnrub > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 16:23

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At this point I think wagons are just like porn. You know it when you see it

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 16:25

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The current Outback is an SUV these days. We just don’t want to admit it.

HammerheadFistpunch > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 12/19/2019 at 16:32

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I want to admit it.

Sammyno55 > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 16:53

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My sister bought a Kia Niro a few months ago. She wanted a SUV and that's what Kia called it. It's a freaking hatchback!

HammerheadFistpunch > Sammyno55 12/19/2019 at 16:57

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oh I seriously take exception to the Soul et al. “light truck” moniker.  

OPPOsaurus WRX > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 17:02

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SOMEONE MENTION ALLROAD?

Sammyno55 > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 17:17

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Like the PT Cruiser light truck?

The Soul is my go to rental if I need to carry any big equipment. 

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > Sammyno55 12/19/2019 at 17:29

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We love our AWD, small, Korean hatchback. (we bought a Hyundai Kona.) the seating position is a bit high vs a small hatchback, but  the plastic cladding coupled with its mini-SUV tire size (which actually happens to have a lot of good entry-performance tires available in it...) aren’t really fooling anyone.

SiennaMan > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 17:29

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It does ride like a light truck.   I was in a rental one and it was bouncing all over the place on what I knew from the Sienna and it's well broken in suspension as smooth roads..

SiennaMan > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 17:35

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So, I would never argue that my Sienna is a wagon, but why isn’t it if we’re looking at  mostly length to height metrics?

HammerheadFistpunch > SiennaMan 12/19/2019 at 17:37

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because its ratio is bigger than the highlander. .353

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 17:40

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I love it when one OPPO post inspires another. =)

The hatchback/wagon thing has to do with the “rise & run” of the hatch opening, and where the roof ends relative to the rear axle.

SiennaMan > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 17:41

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Thats a fair point and would cover all minivans (unless some crazy person makes a limo out of one)..

benjrblant > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 18:02

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I miss my 1993 Volvo 940 turbo wagon.

M.T. Blake > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 18:04

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The longer the roof the better!  

cmill189 - sans Volvo > benjrblant 12/19/2019 at 18:11

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That would be quite the rare sight today .

Sammyno55 > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 12/19/2019 at 18:12

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Her Niro is a solid little car. She initially told me she wanted AWD. She was coming from a 1st Gen Acura RDX. Recently her commute went from 7 miles R/T to 60 R/T. The Acura was getting 19 MPG on premium and was using a bit of oil. I sent her to drive a Subaru and she came back and said she didn’t want a wagon. So RAV4 hybrid was next. She drove one and liked it but it sold and there wasn’t another one nearby. She bought a red Niro hybrid and is getting 47 MPG on regular. It’s a nice little vehicle. I wouldn’t sell  it as an SUV, though.

The Snowman > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 18:17

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I propose that wagons have a front end that is interchangeable with a coupe or sedan from the same manufacturer. 

Urambo Tauro > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 19:52

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As far as I’m concerned, those are all wagons. (and this is coming from a guy who used to be super-irked that his Suburban’s proof of registration called it a “station wagon”) I’ve come around to believe that ultimately, there are always going to be variations in size and proportions in any vehicular class, leaving us with (in the case of wagons) a whole slew of big wagons, small wagons, tall wagons, long wagons, short wagons... The definition of a wagon needs to be more simple and fundamental. Like how coupes and sedans are told apart  simply by their number of doors.

Svend > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 20:34

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Well, here’s Sandy.

HammerheadFistpunch > Svend 12/19/2019 at 21:08

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.322

Jason Spears > HammerheadFistpunch 12/19/2019 at 23:27

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Buick Roadmaster is most wagon in all ways.

Height: 60.28"
Length: 217.56"

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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Sammyno55 12/20/2019 at 00:16

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Can confirm as we own one. It's  a freaking hatchback.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > RallyWrench 12/20/2019 at 01:02

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Then rising beltlines kills off your wagons... The greenhouse difference in the last 20 years or so is pretty dramatic. Cars have tiny windows these days (except some crossovers and SUVs, curiously-enough).

Sammyno55 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 12/20/2019 at 08:49

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Hatchback and wagon are not bad words! Mr. No55 for prez 2020!

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > HammerheadFistpunch 12/20/2019 at 08:52

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Please do R-class. Edit: just did it myself, .32. TIL that my R-class is more wagon than Svend's Skoda.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > SiennaMan 12/20/2019 at 08:57

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Does it cover R-class? I don’t feel like mathing. It’s early. Edit: I just did it, .32. wagon!