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"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 11/12/2019 at 16:15 • Filed to: None

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It seems odd to me that a hotel would be advertising itself as “FIRE PROOF.” I don’t imagine it really was. 

That photo was taken in 1907, and h ere is the spot today. The church and the hotel are still there, though it appears the latter was greatly expanded in later years, and the front was modified.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:16

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I bet that building is full of spiders

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > For Sweden 11/12/2019 at 16:19

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And asbestos.

PyramidHat > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/12/2019 at 16:22

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Asbestos spiders

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:22

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In 1906, the first documented death of an asbestos worker from pulmonary failure was recorded by Dr. Montague Murray at London’s Charring Cross Hospital. The autopsy of the 33-year-old victim revealed large amounts of asbestos fibers in his lungs. Reports of worker deaths from “fibrosis” in asbestos plants in Italy and France echoed studies in the U.S. that suggested that asbestos workers were dying unnaturally young. And as early as 1908, insurance companies in the U.S. and Canada began decreasing coverage and benefits, while increasing premiums, for workers employed in the asbestos industry.

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 11/12/2019 at 16:24

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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PyramidHat 11/12/2019 at 16:24

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ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/12/2019 at 16:25

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And how long did it take for us to stop using it?

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:25

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All Brick and concrete buildings were advertised as fireproof, commercial structure fires were very common at the turn of the last century and Fireproof would certainly be a major selling point, it usually meant electric lights and steam heat as well.

ttyymmnn > My X-type is too a real Jaguar 11/12/2019 at 16:25

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But in reality, they weren’t fireproof at all....

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:26

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Like 7 decades.

Ash78, voting early and often > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:26

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Someone should tear down that Lone Ranger statue. His indenture of Tonto was an archaic and ethnocentric depiction of Native Americans who had already suffered for centuries and didn’t deserve to endure such pop culture stereotyping.

facw > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:28

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I’m honestly surprised that it would make sense structurally or economically to just add another couple floors on top.

If you look at the front though you can see what they did:

They built another matching wing, and moved the main entrance around the corner between the old and new wing. I’d guess the new top to the old wing was added because they wanted to make the addition taller, but also wanted it to match.

ttyymmnn > Ash78, voting early and often 11/12/2019 at 16:30

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My X-type is too a real Jaguar > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:37

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True, but it wasn’t until the 1940s that false advertising for that type of thing was really enforced.

Future next gen S2000 owner > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:37

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If you really want to know some awful stuff, it takes 2 decades for a medical practice to be established as best practice and fully implemented across the country.

If took almost 2 decades for women to stop getting x- rays when pregnant after the studying linking childhood cancer and prenatal x- rays.

We aren’t fast learners.

ttyymmnn > Future next gen S2000 owner 11/12/2019 at 16:41

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We could be fast learners if money weren’t involved.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/12/2019 at 16:44

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My grandfather was an asbestos worker and manged to live 78 years, survived 2 heart attacks and a quadruple bypass, before succumbing to fibrosis . My dad tells me stories of going to work with his father in the late 50's/early 60's and getting paid a quarter by the foreman to sweep up the asbestos fibers, dump them in a bucket, spray some water in there to keep the dust down, and then go throw it in the dumpster . He said sometimes other kids would come to work with their fathers and the kids would take these buckets of wet, mushy asbestos out behind the dumpster and make “snowballs” out of the stuff and throw them at each other. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Snuze: Needs another Swede 11/12/2019 at 16:47

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Damn... Does your dad have any related issues?

Snuze: Needs another Swede > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 16:49

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Not until after the SR-71 came about . As the resident aviation buff, you probably already kno w this, but they impregnated the paint with the stuff so it would withstand the high heat generated during Mach 3+ flight. It was also discovered during testing that asbestos is a pretty good RAM (Radar Absorbent Material).

MultiplaOrgasms > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 18:03

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The Richmond

facw > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 18:42

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It’s not just money. With the medical stuff, Doctors aren’t going back to med school every few years, and for the most part prefer treating patients to reading medical journals so it can take a long time for best practices to filter through (really this is a problem in most evolving industries). And of course a depressingly large part of ongoing training doctors due receive is from pharma reps (that is about money).

ttyymmnn > facw 11/12/2019 at 18:48

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I’m thinking more about gov’t regulation. Of course, now we can’t use science.

facw > Ash78, voting early and often 11/12/2019 at 18:53

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I’m actually pleasantly surprised to see that it’s Washington rather than Lee (not that there aren’t things to criticize about Washington). He’s surrounded by Jefferson, Patrick Henry, Andrew Lewis, John Marshall, George Mason, and Thomas Nelson Jr. Below and in front of them are allegorical female statues.

ranwhenparked > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 19:23

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Fireproof hotels would have been a pretty big deal in the 1920s, hotel fires were not that uncommon (everyone smoked, a lot of places still had gas lighting, etc.), it marked a building out as new, modern, and comparatively safe. It usually meant steel frame with concrete floors and heavy brick and terra cotta cladding.

I posted this the other day, but one of the last three historic resorts in the Pocono mountains, the Pocono Manor Inn, burned down earlier this month. The wood framed original section from 1902 was burned to the ground, but the brick tower addition from 1925 survived largely unscathed (thought the exterior is singed in spots and I expect there’s considerable smoke damage inside).

ranwhenparked > ttyymmnn 11/12/2019 at 19:29

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“Fireproof” meant that the building could burn out and still be structurally sound and standing, not that the contents inside wouldn’t be totally consumed, though the heavy construction would at least slow the spread of flames. Think 90 West Street in New York on 9/11, that thing burned out of control for almost a week without any real structural damage.