"Wheelerguy" (wheelerguy)
11/06/2019 at 10:15 • Filed to: Road and Track, Performance Car of The Year
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"Wheelerguy" (wheelerguy)
11/06/2019 at 10:15 • Filed to: Road and Track, Performance Car of The Year | 2
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I know, big shock.
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One year after we saw a Corvette do for less money what a McLaren can do better, Road and Track go the other way and pick the 3-door hatchback. Wow. But you’ve got to read !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! so you can truly understand why the Veloster N won.
citrus
> Wheelerguy
11/06/2019 at 10:48 |
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This is just a plot by R&T to force Chevy to put a real manual in the C8.
The Corvette lost in large part due to the trans
The Hyundai won because it’s an engaging driver’s car.
We know how much Chevrolet loves advertising all the awards they ‘ win’ (see the approximately twelve billion JD POWER AWARD WINNING LINEUP OF CARS TRUCKS AND SUVS commercials I see every time I’m trying to watch football)
Losing an award a hatchback because of a transmission is sure to make them rethink their entire strategy
davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> Wheelerguy
11/06/2019 at 10:58 |
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“Performance car of the year” kind of gives the connotation that outright performance should matter the most. This criteria sounds more like it would fit “best driver’s car” (also, no pro driver)...
“ Our priorities are emotion, engineering cohesion, relevance, and price, in that order.” Uh... performance isn’t in your list? It’s the name of the award!
Outright speed and testing numbers are part of the package, but they don’t determine the winner. Beyond sheer pace, a car has to bring emotion to the table .
The car must embrace track duty while still being enjoyable on the road .
Technology has to be used in service of the driver, not just added speed. Feedback and sensation via complexity is great, but complexity alone doesn’t cut it.
Lastly, we ask ourselves, would any other manufacturer build it? Does the car feel uniquely of its story and brand, with a personality all its own? [WTF does this matter?]
Regardless, I like the N, am happy it exists, and hope that this win (and more sales) mean that we’ll be seeing a bunch more like this from Hyundai (and Kia).
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> citrus
11/06/2019 at 11:00 |
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Nah, they would’ve loved the trophy, but all they really care about is sales.
No one’s going to buy a Veloster instead of a C8.
marshknute
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
11/06/2019 at 11:31 |
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Motor Trend has the name correct: Best Driver’s Car Competition.
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> marshknute
11/06/2019 at 11:37 |
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Yup. But they didn’t invite the Veloster.
Glad the 911's as good as it is. The GT350 keeps getting universal love. The M2C seems to be good, but not great (doesn’t quite hit the mark on the
intangibles like older BMWs did so well
).
TheTurbochargedSquirrel
> citrus
11/06/2019 at 11:40 |
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I’m not convinced JD Power isn’t part of GM.
CobraJoe
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
11/06/2019 at 11:46 |
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“Performance car of the year” kind of gives the connotation that outright performance should matter the most. This criteria sounds more like it would fit “best driver’s car” (also, no pro driver)...
“Our priorities are emotion, engineering cohesion, relevance, and price, in that order.” Uh... performance isn’t in your list? It’s the name of the award!
But what kind of performance are you looking for? Straight line acceleration? Top speed? Cornering? Slalom ? Average speed through a tight road course? Most usable speed on the street? Do you give the advantage to the barely street legal multi-million dollar hyper car that can’t clear a speed bump?
No, I think they have it right.
Anyone can look up performance figures and “paper race” them all, but driving them is often different than the numbers suggest, especially on the street where most of the car’s driving will take place. The only way to properly compare the best combination of “performance” and “Car” is to drive them all and see what you like and prioritize.
Tripper
> Wheelerguy
11/06/2019 at 11:46 |
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I haven’t taken R&T seriously since I stopped getting their print magazines a decade ago. They are up there with consumer reports and “JD Power” when it comes to opinions that mean nothing to me.
I still like C&D
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> CobraJoe
11/06/2019 at 11:49 |
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No, I definitely want the best driver’s car. I’m really just arguing semantics. Don’t use the word performance in the name of the award if it’s really not about performance...
i86hotdogs
> Wheelerguy
11/06/2019 at 11:57 |
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Anyone else see the design of the soft drink cups from Chipotle in th e graphics above the vehicle here?
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CobraJoe
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
11/06/2019 at 12:06 |
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No, I definitely want the best driver’s car. I’m really just arguing semantics. Don’t use the word performance in the name of the award if it’s really not about performance...
Gotcha. Though, it still leaves the point that “performance” is a very nebulous word.
Besides, the award is the “Performance Car of the Year”, not “The car with the best performance this year ”. They did choose “ the best” of a selection of performance cars.
slipperysallylikespenguins
> Tripper
11/06/2019 at 12:50 |
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They have gotten significantly better the last couple years. They pretty much only write enthusiast stories now. But there has been a large influx of former Jalopnik writers in the last year so writ ing/editing quality is going back down.
thatsmr
> CobraJoe
11/06/2019 at 23:23 |
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Righto. Anyone can buy something they can put sideways into a telephone pole at c&c, lots of cars fun only at illegal speeds.
Lots of displacement/hp classes in races, and all are considered performance cars
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thatsmr
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
11/06/2019 at 23:37 |
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It depends. What class of performance cars? Nobody is going to buy a c8 over an F1 car either by that logic. Midget racers are also performance cars btw
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> thatsmr
11/07/2019 at 13:00 |
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Well, clearly we’re talking about road cars available for
sale to the general public. The name of their magazine is Road & Track - they should just rename this award to “Road Car of the Year (that can also be not completely embarrassed
at the Track)“.
B_dol
> Wheelerguy
11/07/2019 at 13:10 |
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Exposing a lot of fragile egos out there. Bravo on Hyundai (and former BMW talent!) for producing a solid sports hatch option.
Yawn at the more expensive gt and super cars, obviously an asking price of >$100K makes for a better performing, (sometimes) more well rounded car. Delivering a riot at $30K that can still get you to work, the grocery store and not consume $$ in maintenance is a true feat.
Dusty Ventures
> davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
11/10/2019 at 09:04 |
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To be fair, the word “
performance”
is really open to interpretation. It doesn’t necessarily have to
mean the best figures.
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davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
> Dusty Ventures
11/11/2019 at 09:14 |
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Sure, but in every pretty much every
sport but gymnastics, figure skating & drifting, the best performance is determined
by lowest/highest/best by an objective measure. I get that the name of the award is Best Performance Car and not Best
Performing
Car, but it still bugs me that that’s the name they decided on, and then they give it the 2nd worst performer of the group. Just rename it to Best Fun Car or Most Rewarding Car if that’s really what you’re judging
...