Alright now just what the fuck did I miss?

"HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute" (hondoyota)
10/29/2019 at 16:08 • Filed to: de fook, kinjapocalypse

de fook is all this Kinjapoca lypse talk? I mean, yeah, we all knew it was going to happen someday but still, this soon? Where’s all this talk stemming from, anyways? I really haven’t been on here much at all lately but hell , this definitely caught my attention.

DISCUSSION (74)

Chuckles > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/29/2019 at 16:16

The short version:

People hated the autoplay ads. A lot.

Yesterday, every G/O site had a post that said “do you hate the ads? Email our bosses.”

Upper management removed those posts.

Deadspin editor Barry called out the management for violating the union contract.

In a since leaked memo, ownership demanded that Deaspin, a sports site that has never stuck to sports, “stick to sports.”

The main page today on Deadspin is all articles not about sports.

Barry got fired. Deadspin might be done as a website.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/29/2019 at 16:17

Some auto play ads pissed off readers and writers, the writers decided to air their grievances in public and management took offense and took down the posts. In the mean time management decided Deadspin should stick to sports coverage and the editor again took their grievances public and was fired.

So this I guess means everything will be shut down even the sites that are conducting themselves professionally and not like pissed off toddlers.

Maxima Speed > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/29/2019 at 16:18

And there drive forth four drivers with four cars. The first was named zoidberg and he drove a Toyota Tercel, the second was named Immoral minority and he drove a Sunchaser, the third was named Stef and she drove a lancer emblazoned with a rally duck, and the fourth was named Cars of Fort Langley and he drove a Dodge Ram.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:19

Nothing has been said about shitcanning Kinja in general or Oppo specifically.

However, at least some of us are taking this as a sign of things to come and trying to be proactive so we don’t get caught with out pants down when the Oppopacalypse does happen.

Chuckles > Snuze: Needs another Swede
10/29/2019 at 16:21

Correct. As of now, this is just a Deadspin thing. But between Splinter getting canned, Clashtalk going poof, and now this, it's starting to feel like we might not be here for the long term.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Maxima Speed
10/29/2019 at 16:22

I thought he had a Paseo Wagon™.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/29/2019 at 16:22

Sweet merciful bannings

facw > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/29/2019 at 16:22

Basically what Chuckles said. Of course the end of Deadspin wouldn’t have to mean the end of Oppo, except:

They could decide to pull the plug on the whole G/O media thing

They might decide that they want more control over what’s on the platform, which could be the end of us. Clashtalk has already been eliminated since the new management took over, though there are various theories about who was responsible for that.

Chariotoflove > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:23

What a shock, biting the corporate hand that signs your checks might bring consequences. Who knew?

The Deadspin tantrum basically handed management the exact tool they needed to get rid of the instigators.

Mercedes Streeter > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/29/2019 at 16:23

Being realistic? Kinja isn’t going anywhere so long as we don’t piss off the owners of G/O Media. And even then they’ll just kill the individual offending communities.

I can back this up. ClashTalk was recently straight up deleted, presumably because either Management or Splinter’s writers weren’t happy with criticism (sometimes harsh) coming from a major Kinja community. ClashTalk has been around since the Gawker days, so it’s not like it was anything new. Unfortunately, it seems G/O’s private equity owners can’t take the heat of criticism and/or disagreement.

Internally, Management may have secretly agreed with the criticisms coming from ClashTalk because Splinter itself was nuked not long after.

As of now? Auto-play ads and content were causing a mass upset. This triggered the editors of each blog to post an apology with email contacts to Management to ask for the auto-play ads and content to be reverted . Management responded by deleting every post, violating the Union contract.

Management told Deadspin to only report on sports, which is absolutely crazy and again, violates the Union contract . Deadspin is long known for its banter on many subjects, not just sports. In protest, Deadspin’s writers and editor decided to post nothing but non-sports stuff all day. After all, their Union contract says only they have the right to decide what content gets written . As a result, the editor has been fired.

It’s a sign of things to come. Don’t do what Management says? You get axed. Criticize what these sites are becoming under said Management? You get axed. Your Union contract ? Doesn’t matter anymore.

ranwhenparked > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/29/2019 at 16:24

Continuing tension between Gizmodo/Onion Media management and staff, possibly jeopardizing Deadspin and maybe more if the revolt there spreads to other sites. Things at the company haven't been on a solid footing since Nick Denton left.

ttyymmnn > facw
10/29/2019 at 16:24

In all the years I’ve been here, I’ve never heard of Clashtalk. Where and what was it?

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Maxima Speed
10/29/2019 at 16:25

Unfortunately, they all went forth in different directions and with very different notions about where they were going...

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Maxima Speed
10/29/2019 at 16:25

Rally Chicken*

Chuckles > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 16:30

My question is why did this private equity firm buy Deadspin, a site that is successful BECAUSE it doesn’t stick to sports, and then demand that they stick to sports? That’s just dumb. Deadspin going beyond sports is nothing new. It's why people read the site. And then for management to pull posts they don't like? That goes against the union contract that they agreed to. Management is destroying the very site that they bought. It's moronic.

facw > ttyymmnn
10/29/2019 at 16:31

Kinja'd!!!

https://web.archive.org/web/20190619212016/https://clashtalk.kinja.com/

Mostly general discussion honestly. But it was wiped away without warning.

Mercedes Streeter > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 16:32

The concerning thing for me is ClashTalk. It’s a direct attack on a reader community. Yes, ClashTalk was very critical of the FP blogs (more so than any other reader community), but they’ve been around since the Denton days completely hands off. Those owners and writers understood that not everyone is going to like their hot takes.

To me, it’s a warning shot that if we have some negative opinions about the FPs we ought to keep it to ourselves.

facw > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo
10/29/2019 at 16:33

And CoFL is obviously more of a Forte man. It’s practically right there in his name.

Chariotoflove > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:37

I don’t disagree that there business decisions could use some scrutiny. But I can see the reason for this action in your recounting of the saga. Deadspin editor airs a public grievance based on the union contract. If the grievance has any legitimacy at all, those issues often end up in expensive arbitration. But, they snap Deadspin’s leash with a directive that they know will piss them off and remind them who is boss here. Deadspin editor defies legitimate editorial directive of the owner in protest. Management now has cause to fire editor and, poof, head instigator is gone without grounds for union intervention , as well as making an example to anyone who might want to keep causing trouble.

Business people are usually rich guys with egos. If you piss them off enough, they may be willing to sacrifice good business to a certain extent to make a point and retain control.

MrSnrub > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:38

This is about power, and crushing people with opinions they don’t like

fintail > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:39

PE firm, there’s your answer.

What gets me is the amount of bootlicking going on in their general defense.

Chariotoflove > Mercedes Streeter
10/29/2019 at 16:41

Who can say for sure, but I get the feeling that our random rantings about Kinja or the stories on the FP won’t rise to the level of angering the owners.

It looks more like grumbling within the family than serious attacks on upper management.

Then again, my gut feelings about this aren’t worth the bits it takes to post them. So...

Stef Schrader > Maxima Speed
10/29/2019 at 16:41

SHE’S A CHICKEN

Stef Schrader > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/29/2019 at 16:41

thank you

Chuckles > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 16:42

My version of events is absolutely simplified. The issues between editorial and management go back to the time before autoplay ads. And now the union is getting involved over Barry's firing.

https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-adults-in-the-room-1837487584

https://deadspin.com/this-is-how-things-work-now-at-g-o-media-1836908201

Stef Schrader > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:44

It’s as if the new network-wide management is wholly incompetent at their jobs or something!

(And unwilling to even listen to anyone else’s thoughts on the matter, as they shut down the feedback address for ads as well.)

Chariotoflove > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:45

Well then, get out the popcorn. This could get interesting.

MrSnrub > fintail
10/29/2019 at 16:45

I imagine i t’s mostly the people bleating about the EVIL LEFT coming after their free speech who are clapping like seals right now

Chuckles > Stef Schrader
10/29/2019 at 16:46

Shocking to learn that finance bros don't understand journalism. Who could have seen that coming?

PowderHound > Snuze: Needs another Swede
10/29/2019 at 16:52

Do the overlords even know about us or do we live in the shadows?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/29/2019 at 16:52

**Duck**

Future next gen S2000 owner > Snuze: Needs another Swede
10/29/2019 at 16:57

All my posts are shitposts or terribly written hack jobs. Burn it all down!

Future next gen S2000 owner > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 16:58

Kinja'd!!!

ttyymmnn > facw
10/29/2019 at 17:01

So it was sort of like Oppo but without the cars or any other general focus of interest?

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > MrSnrub
10/29/2019 at 17:02

Honestly, isn’t that what Gawker has always been?

Snuze: Needs another Swede > PowderHound
10/29/2019 at 17:03

They know. They see all and know all. They may even have agents amongst us already.

Stef Schrader > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 17:06

I don’t know if the “stick to sports” edict was 100% above-board. The contract between the editorial union and the site’s upper management enshrines that editorial has control over editorial’s content. So, if Deadspin thinks it’s in their best interest to post about rectum ER visits, piggy poop balls, Trump boos, or anything else they believe is of interest to the site’s audience, they contractually can without interference from the business side or other ramifications:

Kinja'd!!!

The lone person noted as also having a say is the Executive Editor, but from recent articles and correspondence cited in them, it appears as if the “stick to sports” memo sender’s title is actually Editorial Director. I’m not sure where that puts him in the food chain, or if that role formally includes the Executive Editor role somewhere. I am fairly sure he’s not included in the editorial bargaining unit, but that’s about it. That’s all inside info I don’t have as someone who didn’t want to ride out the company sale to these guys, so I guess time will tell if firing Barry was a contract violation, some other offense or not.

(Removing the posts yesterday without going through the proper process also was a big nope according to this section of the agreement, though, so here we are.)

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

Frankly, Deadspin posting things like poo-flinging Tim Hortons visitors is in the site’s best interest, as broader-interest articles that may be of interest to other sites’ audiences are often shared on multiple sites across the network, leading people who may not be regular Deadspin readers to blow more time on Deadspin. The interconnected, overlapping nature of these websites is one of its biggest strengths.

I know every share I was able to get over to other network sites was always a significant traffic boost over what it would’ve been had that post been siloed to only Jalopnik. I’m also thankful that other sites took my weirdo content about racing, weird cars, cool builds and other car-culture stuff. Rising tide, all boats, etc. Believe it or not, the average person is interested in more than one subject at a time!

facw > ttyymmnn
10/29/2019 at 17:14

Something like that.

WiscoProud > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 17:21

It was actually in their collective bargaining agreement that the PE firm couldn’t dictate content, which is what the memo did. It was a fight that was clearly coming, but also one that was anticipated in the contract.

Chariotoflove > Stef Schrader
10/29/2019 at 17:23

Looks like there might be enough room for interpretation in the language that they might hav e figured they would take their shots and let their lawyers deal with it later. Hard to know. I suppose it’s even possible the owners may have decided the risk of burning the entire house down and taking the loss is one worth taking? Sounds crazy, but I don’t live in a world with those kinds of zeros on my spreadsheets.

As for how off-topic articles affects viewership, I don’t profess to understand the complexities. I know that I go to sites like Jalopnik or similar to read about car interests and on to sites like The Takeout or other food sites to read about food, but I do get irritated a bit when I want to read about one subject and can’t find it in the slew of postings of other random things. It’s one of the reasons I don’t visit the FP as much as I used to. But I am only one reader type.

My impression was, however, that the collective Kinja sites were not terribly profitable. So however things are being handled overall, it seems they could stand some change. Are the changes these new owners thinking to make the ones that will work? I d on’t know that either.

Chariotoflove > WiscoProud
10/29/2019 at 17:27

From what Stef posted, it seems like there may be room in the language that might make them think their lawyers could make the argument that it was contractually-sanctioned executive editorial oversight. I agree that a fight is coming though.

In general, I think the practice of telling your boss publicly to go fuck himself when he gives you a direct order and counting on your union to protect you isn’t the most reliable path to personal financial stability. But to some people, being right is more important than being employed.

MrSnrub > Eric @ opposite-lock.com
10/29/2019 at 17:31

Who did Gawker crush? They were the ones who got crushed. They forgot their place and had to be destroyed, similar to what’s happening now.

marshknute > Chuckles
10/29/2019 at 17:33

Ever heard of buying Instagram accounts?

Rather than organically grow a new account, companies will buy a large existing account (100K+ followers), delete all the old posts, and start advertising their own products. Yeah, they lose some followers initially, but most remain, and they start from Day 1 with a huge audience.

I wouldn’t be surprised if G/O wants to turn Deadspin into something else. The audience/platform is valuable enough to justify the legal battles to break the union contract. All they have to do is a lienate journalists until they quit, fire those who remain, settle any wrongful termination lawsuits, and now they have free reign to write whatever they want.

Chariotoflove > Stef Schrader
10/29/2019 at 17:35

I have to add to what I posted earlier. I tripped on over to the FP, and I saw a successive stream of car-related posts with nary a non-sequitur cross post in site. Lots of good content. So, I need to give Patrick and C o. due credit. And to be fair, it’s not just today. It’s gotten better lately. Those folks work hard to deliver.

DipodomysDeserti > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 18:48

If that’s how corporate treats you as a writer, you most definitely should bite their hand.

Chariotoflove > DipodomysDeserti
10/29/2019 at 19:33

Or better yet, just take your talents and go get a job with another corporation.

Dr Emilio Lizardo > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 20:59

Asking for your collectively bargained and contractually agreed to rights to be honored is not “biting the hand that feeds you" and in most states you can not be fired for standing up for those rights.

Dr Emilio Lizardo > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 21:04

Again, based on the elements of their contract that have been posted, this was not a “legitimate editorial directive” and management is not permitted to unilaterally take down stories. When G/O Media purchased the company, they purchased that contract and agreed to abide by those terms. They don’t get to impose new rules just because they are new. They can try to negotiate something different when the contract is up, or even before.

And expecting to treat reporters like this and not have them report it or to have it leaked is, at best, naive.

DipodomysDeserti > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 22:35

That’s pretty cowardly. If you actually believe in what you’re doing, then ante up.

Biggest problem with corporate America is the people who work for these asshole have no balls. I’ll never resonate with that mentality.

Chariotoflove > Dr Emilio Lizardo
10/29/2019 at 23:03

I see your point . Throwing a big middle finger up on the internet to your employer may be part of your contractually guaranteed rights, but I can’t imagine it will ever improve your relationship with said employer. What I’m talking about here is the shitposting tantrum essentially daring the owner to do something. Well, the owner did something, and now it’s a mess that will have to be sorted out.

I’m thinking having your union rep and/or representing lawyers send a strongly worded and professionally crafted communication to the owner with all the implied consequences of contract breach outlined might have brought a more constructive result without exposing the editor personally to retaliatory action.

As for whether or not the editor can be fired for disregarding a directive from the owner, that may depend on how the wording of the contract is legally interpreted. From what Stef quoted to me, there is a possibility that the directive may have been from a legitimate executive authority. Hopefully it will work out that it was not. Then, the editor will have his job back working for a hostile employer. So, mission accomplished I guess?

Chariotoflove > Dr Emilio Lizardo
10/29/2019 at 23:10

No one expects a union represented body of employees to take it quietly. There are, however, more productive and less productive ways of addressing grievances. It is possible that the business concern that owns the group may have shot from the hip and acted in a way that is patently, obviously, and indefensibly illegal, and will therefore be shot down easily and quickly once legal action is brought to bear. However, it is more likely that a successful corporation that does this kind of thing for a living consulted its retained lawyers to see what they could get away with before taking action. To expect otherwise is, at best, naive. ;)

So, this will probably be interesting.

Chariotoflove > DipodomysDeserti
10/29/2019 at 23:23

Nah, not at all, or rather not always. There are people who take up a fight wherever and whenever they see it. They tend to spend most all of their time and energy fighting. But most people pick their battles by judging where it will do the most good. Part of growing up is looking down the road to see what the fight will cost you and what you get for the price. What are the best and worst possible outcomes you see? Do you end up just getting back the same job with a hostile employer and no chance for advancement? Do you think that you will change your employer’s behavior somehow? Depending on those answers, you may not want to go to battle. But if you think you can win a victory for yourself and coworkers that will give longer term stability and protection, then maybe it’s worth it.

DipodomysDeserti > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 23:30

For sure, but let’s face it, these guys all knew they’d be out of a job in a few years once investment bros bought them. If they show their chin, you might as well take a swing.

Chariotoflove > DipodomysDeserti
10/30/2019 at 00:56

Well if that’s the scene, then sure. They probably have exit backup plans mostly worked out already in that case anyway. Might as well make your point.

pip bip - choose Corrour > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
10/30/2019 at 03:31

i’m glad a lot of this crap happens when i’m asleep or at work

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Stef Schrader
10/30/2019 at 11:51

Excuse me, I was incorrect, I forgot that it is in fact a duck. I haven’t been on OPPO enough lately.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
10/30/2019 at 11:52

ahh, you’re right. I knew something was wrong when Stef said “thank you”. That’s never the response I get.

Stef Schrader > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
10/30/2019 at 12:46

*** nein, she’s a chicken

Stef Schrader > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/30/2019 at 12:47

But she’s a chicken.

Stef Schrader > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/30/2019 at 12:47

I mean, you were right, but now you’re not.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Stef Schrader
10/30/2019 at 13:22

My memories have returned after not being on OPPO enough (work stuff, sometimes it’s hard to keep my mouth shut so I log off lol). Now that I’m in the right state of mind, I’m glad to be hear to reinforce that it is in fact a duck.

*QUACK QUACK*

Stef Schrader > Chariotoflove
10/30/2019 at 15:47

I kinda wish Jalopnik had a bigger staff, or a bigger freelance budget, such that shares could get spaced out a bit more. But we had our own gems, like the pizza take, which is the most entertaining take ever written on the internet.

The conventional wisdom that we gleaned from pouring over the data of what did well when I worked there was that people come to Jalopnik (and sites like it) for the sites’ authors and their unique voices (which sometimes meander off-topic), not so much the dry genre coverage that they can dig up everywhere.

Stef Schrader > Chariotoflove
10/30/2019 at 15:48

The cross-posts that do make it over are generally shared because we think you guys will enjoy them, so believe me, it’s something they think about.

Stef Schrader > Chariotoflove
10/30/2019 at 15:49

B uddy, I’ve been trying for a year and a half.

That one’s way easier said than done in an industry that hasn’t lost this many jobs since the recession.

Stef Schrader > Chariotoflove
10/30/2019 at 16:07

FWIW, those who had access to the numbers saw that our individual site network was profitable before the latest sale, but Univision loaded it down with debt from elsewhere in the company. So, here we are, complete with some tasty “but you make no money” ammo for the chuds who like to say the blogs don’t do well. Thanks for nothing (again), Univision.

I firmly believe that if they had let the site network continue to do what it’s always done under the calm heads of the people who survived Univision’s reign of stupid, it’d still be doing pretty well. Loading pages down with ads tanks a site’s search display results, though, and autoplaying videos drive away readers on top of that , so the sites have seen a significant dip in traffic accordingly. It’s a damn shame. It’s like the new owners wanted to make “bUt YoU gUyS aReN’t PrOfItAbLe” a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Chariotoflove > Stef Schrader
10/30/2019 at 16:24

I agree. That’s what is interesting to me. It’s value added. Meandering off topic once in a while is cool, because that’s how life is lived, as long as it gets back to the general theme that brought me to the site, which Jalopnik generally does. Like, talking about food on a road trip isn’t about cars, but it’s kinda centered around cars, so off topic but not very far off topic.

Sometimes you have to cover something just because you can’t leave it out, like the early reviews of the new Corvette. Jalopnik didn’t get in on that, but Kristen did a digest of the other reviews. I thought she made the best synthesis she could with what she had to work with.

The only times the “personal touch” puts me off is when it becomes preaching or ranting about the political or social position of the writer. I don’t like to be told how to think by conservative or liberal alike. It’s fine to talk about the political angle of things, but I prefer when a writer tries to explain what all sides are saying so I can figure out what’s going on for myself.

Chariotoflove > Stef Schrader
10/30/2019 at 16:28

And that sucks because you write well.

But staying on the Deadspin thing, it just drives home for me that maybe you don’t double-doggy- dare your current employer to fire you by sticking it to them in public unless and until you have a plan B lined up to keep groceries in your fridge. It’s hard enough when someone like you who has a great portfolio and a history of being a nice person to work with can’t find a steady gig.

Stef Schrader > Chariotoflove
10/30/2019 at 17:25

I admit that I’ve cautioned others to line up something else before taking too many risks or leaving a job. I often feel like I shot myself in the wiener and nutsack by leaving even though I don’t have those two parts. It sucks that the abysmal job market for writers enables companies to be make their employees lives’ a living hell with fewer repercussions out of a sheer “well, where else can you go?” but such is the garbage hell world that we live in in 2019. The alternative I’m experiencing is not a great path, either, scraping by on whatever freelance income you can get in between futile resume submissions and quality time spent hoping to get hit by a bus.

Yet I also trust that these guys are being as prudent about things as they can. There is a standard for work here that’s baked into the company culture. If they pivot to covert sponcon, neutered reviews or anything else they’d no doubt refuse to run with their bylines on it, that’s not good, either. That tanks everything they’ve built over the years straight into the toilet, hence the voracity of this fight.

If things were as they were under Univision and Gawker, I’d imagine they’re working overtime with union staff to feel out what’s OK to do/say in times like this and what’s not. It sure looks like management doesn’t give a flying crap about the agreement they signed onto, so it’s gonna get rough. I’m glad to see they’ve rallied around Barry, Megan, the Splinter staff and the others who have been pushed out with horsecrap or surprise- let go.

I think what’s going on still really speaks to the power of collective action—things like everyone at Deadspin posting non-sports content as a protest , or the masses of emails that every site on the network solicited and sent over, only to have their readers keep emailing the bosses when the post was remove, and the distribution list deactivated . (Thank you to everyone who sent that, BTW !) When the whole network editorial staff has your back, the risk of having no one willing to follow management’s nonsensical, dong-stepping directions becomes pretty real. Then you have no company, and what are you going to do?

Chariotoflove > Stef Schrader
10/30/2019 at 17:37

I agree with all of those underlying principles. I just think that the worst way to go is to poke the tiger with protest actions like pinning all the non-sports articles. The writers have the benefit of a union with a valid contract, so let it work for them . Let the union rep and lawyers (I assume the union has good lawyers?) be point of contact with the management and make them vividly aware of the contract provisions and the financial consequences of violating them. That’s the language firms like that understand. Protest actions like the Deadspin thing, though done for a good reason and emotionally satisfying I’ m sure , usually only antagonize and exacerbate the situation and prolong the process to reach an actual solution.

TL;DR: use the most effective tools at your disposal to get what you want.

Stef Schrader > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/30/2019 at 17:46

CLUCK CLUCK, SHE’S A CHICKEN

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Stef Schrader
10/31/2019 at 09:47

hmmm. You know what rhymes better?

CLUCK CLUCK IT’S A DUCK!

Stef Schrader > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/31/2019 at 10:23

But she’s not a duck and that statement would be inaccurate.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Stef Schrader
10/31/2019 at 10:37

I’m curious, how many years have you been fighting the entire internet about the species of this specific duck-a-lump?

Stef Schrader > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
10/31/2019 at 11:20

Since before the internet because she’s a chicken!!!