Damn, Deadspin...

"McMike" (mcmike)
10/29/2019 at 13:08 • Filed to: None

Management: Only write about Sports

Deadspin:

They pinned all the non-sports stories they could to the top of the page , and have been publishing n on-sports shitposts all day.

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And are sacking editors.

DISCUSSION (86)

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:16

That is fucked up. G/O really seems intent on wrecking this place. It is really sad to see Gawker sites go out like this.

I know things have been hard before, but this seems pretty close to a death knell for the group.

For Sweden > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:18

I am sh oc ked yet not shocked they fired Barry Petchesky and not Drew “I used to abuse women but I stopped trust me” Magar y

Cash Rewards > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:18

Goddamnit. There goes deadspin. This is disappointing.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > For Sweden
10/29/2019 at 13:19

#flamingtake

For Sweden > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
10/29/2019 at 13:20

Bad people protect bad people and fire good people

Chuckles > For Sweden
10/29/2019 at 13:22

Probably because Barry was deputy editor, while Magary is just a writer.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > For Sweden
10/29/2019 at 13:24

Drew did what?!

Chuckles > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 13:25

Disappointing, but not really surprising.

For Sweden > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
10/29/2019 at 13:28

https://deadspin.com/the-reconing-always-comes-1819874125

But he's totally sorry and harmless now trust him

BKosher84 > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:30

We should probably start archiving this place because I wouldn’t be surprised if G/O Media shut this all down.

Also, fuck G/O Media.

CB > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:30

I went to Deadspin to read their articles for once. I'll back this protest.

Nick Has an Exocet > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:30

G/O owners: You work for us and we want you to write about sports.

Deadspin writers/editors:

Me: Of course they are firing you. You are acting like half- brain children and don’t understand the nature of employment.

fintail > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:31

Not sticking to sports was their only attraction. One bland useless ESPN in the world is enough. Sports and athletes themselves don’t stick to sports. I suspect some undertaxed overpaid G/O suit got upset about the coverage of Orange at the Nats game. It’s almost like they don’t know what drives traffic .

Shane MacGowan's Teeth > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
10/29/2019 at 13:32

The other side of it is that they have happily and publicly shit on every decision the new owners have made. Honestly I’m shocked they haven’t cleaned house before this. Deadspin has done some good things- but let’s not forget that they also act like children regularly.

boredalways > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:33

After a Root Cause Analysis of the situation, the reason and end results will always be the same:

Kinja'd!!!

too bad normal folks like you and I could never get financial support of this level to sue...unless you have a petty grudge and already at least D-level famous.

fintail > boredalways
10/29/2019 at 13:35

The French had the right idea around 230 years ago.

Chariotoflove > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:36

This is but one or the reasons why Deadspin is the last place to look to for sports news if you really want to read about sports.

Now, it you want to sit around in your arm chair virtually talking shit about everyone else in the universe with sports as a thin pretext for the gathering, well then this is the site for you.

Cash Rewards > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
10/29/2019 at 13:38

Read the article for Sweden posted, it’s worthwhile, but that is certainly a oddly hot take from For Sweden. More along the lines of, wow, I used to say really horrible shit on the internet, and I realized as I got older that my words have impact and meaning, and I shouldn't have said that shit.

facw > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:41

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

I do sort of wonder if they realized what they were buying... Maybe a site like Deadspin can’t be profitable without huge change, but if you are just going to alienate your readers and your writers, why buy the site in the first place, just set up your own “stick to sports” blog.

Cash Rewards > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 13:41

But that was the point. We all knew it wasn't the place for sport news, it was everything else that worked for us, and separated it from espn. Take that away and what's left? Why bother?

fintail > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 13:42

Exactly. It’s the only reason people clicked on it. People can get box scores anywhere.

Cash Rewards > Shane MacGowan's Teeth
10/29/2019 at 13:43

I think it’s the opposite of acting like children. They report on other media companies on the regular, like espn. It would be hypocritical and childish if they didn’t do the same of their own organization. Espn used to have a public ombudsman for that exact purpose.

Deadspin did this when Denton ran it, and when Univision ran it. Why the fuck would the current owners be surprised by this? What did they expect?

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:45

More like Doomedspin

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:47

welp...looks like they’re having fun at least...

Urambo Tauro > McMike
10/29/2019 at 13:48

Hot take: Deadspin should stick to sports. But let the writers write about whatever they want, as long as it gets published to the most appropriate blog, so that they can more effectively reach their target audience.

That Tim Hortons post probably could have gone on The Takeout, the Rectum one could have gone to Vitals, etc. Just get whomever runs each of those blogs to grant the writer authorship, even if that authorship is only temporary. When I wrote that one post for Jalopnik, all Patrick had to do was click a button, inviting me to be an author. I was super-stoked to screenshot this:

Kinja'd!!!

Kinja makes this so easy. I don’t understand why they they don’t take advantage of this.

Future next gen S2000 owner > For Sweden
10/29/2019 at 13:50

Drew is a tool and should be regarded as such.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > BKosher84
10/29/2019 at 13:52

Don’t worry, uPost is already “archiving” everything posted to Kinja.

Chariotoflove > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 13:53

Why bother indeed. I t kinda depends on what you want in your web site experience. Only here’s the thing: the GMG universe has plenty of sites to choose from that are basically people of like mind sitting around talking trash with a vague overarching theme to provide subject matter and nominal justification for existence.

So what do they bring to the table then? Maybe their overlords are deciding that an actual sports site might bring more clicks from the greater online universe than a bunch of nominally sober arm chair quarterbacks ejaculating their world view all over the ether as the mood takes them.

ttyymmnn > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
10/29/2019 at 13:54

I am now feverishly archiving all of my aviation history work.

For Sweden > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 13:54

He took #MeToo and made it all about his personal heroic journey.

He also laments how many talented women left the company...dude, have some self-awareness about why those women left!

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > ttyymmnn
10/29/2019 at 13:55

How? I want to save some of the stuff in “ Best of COFL ”

ttyymmnn > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
10/29/2019 at 13:58

Manually. Going through each and every post and saving text and images separately. I have already saved each as an html file, but I don’t know if that will save everything if they pull the plug on Oppo or other tags.

Arrivederci > McMike
10/29/2019 at 14:00

That’s awesome... sucks that Barry got canned, but I’m assuming that’s what he wanted by pinning those shitposts.

If they start to ruin Jalopnik, does anybody have any idea what it would cost to buy its independence? We could start a GoFundMe and have it be self-owned.

My X-type is too a real Jaguar > McMike
10/29/2019 at 14:01

As my friend who has worked at the Weather Channel, said when I was joking about changing Jim C antore’s name to Jim Bringer of Storms said. “You get to do that once.”

Cash Rewards > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 14:01

I think you’re right about the the mindset, but I can’t really believe it is a winning proposition. There were few, if any sites like deadspin, for better or worse, and it had a dedicated readership base. That base is likely gone, and there are many other well trafficked sites for sports news. Espn, Yahoo, etc. So what does it now bring to convince me to check there, instead of espn? Not much.

The Ghost of Oppo > boredalways
10/29/2019 at 14:01

Thiel might not be a great person, but neither was Denton and outing people isn’t cool

Cash Rewards > For Sweden
10/29/2019 at 14:03

I got a very different take on that article, and think it does show that awareness. I think it needs the context of the "feud" with barstool sports to separate it from #metoo, and it's appropriate in that context, in my opinion. But I can see your point, though

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > McMike
10/29/2019 at 14:04

Earlier:

Kinja'd!!!

Currently:

Kinja'd!!!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn
10/29/2019 at 14:07

Well, I sure hope that ends up being wasted effort, but...

Good call.

Chariotoflove > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 14:13

Quite right. The way I see their direction, they were attracting two main audiences: those who are of like socio -political mindset and those who aren’t but like to be outraged. Throw in a few who have no stance but like to read outrageous stuff instead of doing work, and that’s your reader base. It must have not been big enough to make a financial case.

So what do you do? ESPN made sports casting success with Sports Center because they offered something more than you could get from the box scores in your local paper at the time . Deadspin would have to find a way to bring added value to their medium beyond their reader base. Maybe that starts with actual ly talking about sports more often. For instance, I once read an article there about how the regulation olympic swimming pool changes length due to the physics of temperature and how that influences how many digits FINA uses for official times. That was new; I’d never seen it elsewhere. I clicked and stayed to read.

But if I’m some potential reader surfing sports sites on my lunch break, and I come across Vigo the Carpathian or rectums, I’m moving on and likely won’t be back. Maybe that’s the way their bosses see it.

Question is, can the Deadspin staff pivot, or will they all be sacked?

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
10/29/2019 at 14:16

Me too. I’ve been talking for literally years about making my own site. Once I scrape my best work off of Kinja I will finally do just that.

Cash Rewards > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 14:18

They do have really good reporting when given the time and space, you're right. I think the better questions are will they stay, and is that sort of writing what ownership has in mind?

Mercedes Streeter > boredalways
10/29/2019 at 14:18

L et’s be honest, while Thiel may be a piece of trash it was Gawker’s lack of journalistic integrity that really took them down. Extortion isn’t cool. Outing people isn’t cool. Disobeying a judge just to make a point is comically stupid. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Though, to this day I’m amazed it was the Hulk Hogan tape that brought them down and not the whole extortion of a conde nast exec thing.

Chariotoflove > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 14:19

Agreed. We’ll wait for the dust to clear and find out.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn
10/29/2019 at 14:20

Good for you. I really need to go and archive the stuff I’m proud of, too.

But not today...

Shane MacGowan's Teeth > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 14:22

Oh come on now, you can’t handwave this as “reporting”. They gleefully complain about any management decisions they disagree with, but when members of the writing/editorial team cross the line, it’s radio silence from the rest of them, or they hide behind “it’s just a blog” (still waiting on the Greg Howard story) .

And, frankly, it doesn’t matter what they expect. They own the damn business. They get to make the decisions what they want published on their sites. As I recall, the writing team not listening to the executive staff in the past got Gawker killed, and multiple editors have left- maybe they should take a hint at some point.

Cash Rewards > Shane MacGowan's Teeth
10/29/2019 at 14:24

You’re right about the Greg Howard story, I'll give you that

benn454 > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 14:34

That’s great unless you belong to one of the groups that the hivemind has decided it’s their mission statement to harass and shit on.

- A Cardinals fan

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Arrivederci
10/29/2019 at 14:35

I’d think that Jalopnik is safe for the most part, though the public pissing match with Motor Trend over politics probably got them a talking- to I’d imagine.

At least until Great Hill starts stripping the insulation off of the wires in the data center, for recycling.

Cash Rewards > benn454
10/29/2019 at 14:37

Hey, one of my best friends is a Cardinal's fan

benn454 > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 14:39

I C wut U did thar

nermal > McMike
10/29/2019 at 14:40

He wasn’t good enough at his job to be able to get away with it.

(See: Various sportsing personalities that get away with DUIs / murders / raping & pillaging / domestic abuse / dogfighting / etc and still keep their jobs because they are good at sportsing )

dogisbadob > McMike
10/29/2019 at 14:42

Hey! How do you embed a tweet like that?

Cash Rewards > benn454
10/29/2019 at 14:43

(it's true, actually)

dogisbadob > boredalways
10/29/2019 at 14:44

Ignoring a court order is NOT okay!

Even the GMG Union contract stipulates that shit be removed when required by law

McMike > dogisbadob
10/29/2019 at 14:44

I just pasted the URL. Sometimes, it embeds, sometimes it doesn’t. Works like that with YouTube, Instagram, and images sometimes too.

It all varies between my different brows ers, OS, location, time of day, day of the week, what I had for breakfast that day, etc.

Although, embedding IG and Twitter can only happen in the main post editor, not in replies.

dogisbadob > Mercedes Streeter
10/29/2019 at 14:46

The Co nde Nast hit piece was removed quickly. The Hulk Hogan article was not removed despite a court order requiring them to take it down

benn454 > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 14:47

I like you. You’re all right.

Wait, you're not a Cubs fan, are you? If so, I'm afraid it's going to have to be pistols at dawn.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > For Sweden
10/29/2019 at 14:47

WYTS, gotta be the only reason

Cash Rewards > benn454
10/29/2019 at 14:50

Mets. FML

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > benn454
10/29/2019 at 14:51

i mean cards fans kind dug their own graves

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Chariotoflove
10/29/2019 at 14:52

their coverage on the Larry Nasser scandal was second to none

benn454 > Cash Rewards
10/29/2019 at 14:53

I'd call you Pond Scum, but the NL East rivalry was a long time ago and no one deserves the Wilpons.

benn454 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
10/29/2019 at 15:01

¯\_()_/¯

Yeah, the whole BFIB BS is pretty stupid. I thought it was funny at first too. Then it got super popular and Deadspin realized they struck gold and really started playing it up beyond what I think they probably honestly felt. The comments got super toxic and it wasn’t a very pleasant experience to engage anymore.

Then it got driven into the ground and played out. Oh look, the 9, 001st reference to “the right way”. Yuk yuk. Just as funny as the previous 9,000 references were, I say!

And all the while, Deadspin was preaching inclusion from one side of their mouth, and engaging in othering from the other side. It was hypocrisy.

Mercedes Streeter > dogisbadob
10/29/2019 at 15:20

If I recall correctly, it was up for a full 24 hours. The only reason I imagine it got taken down because even after they edited out identifying information it was still beyond something they could excuse being in existence.

The Hogan thing was stupid all around. They believed they were in the right because he was a public figure. Then when the judge told them to take it down they decided they wanted to become a cool martyr for Freedom of the Press. I remember people talking about how awful the Gawker v Hogan case was going to be for journalism. Sure...if the journalism you partake in is posting the private sex tape of a washed up wrestler funded by a billionaire. *smh*

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Mercedes Streeter
10/29/2019 at 15:26

Thiel was already ‘out’ within Silicon Valley though. It was an open secret. All Gawker did was report on that area for a national audience, and their comment about it was also positive.

Matt Brown > McMike
10/29/2019 at 15:59

Well, I do love D eadspin and generally don’t give a fuck about sports, so I see this as neutral to positive.

Mercedes Streeter > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
10/29/2019 at 16:11

The fact that a LGBTQ person’s identity is an “open secret” in a local or regional area doesn’t give a publication a green light to publicly blast their identity out on a national scale. After all, an open secret is still technically a secret.

It wasn’t cool with Thiel, it wasn’t cool with Jenner, it wasn’t cool when people outed me. I firmly believe that the only person who should be allowed to out a LGBTQ person to others is the person themselves. It doesn’t matter how many people in the local area already know.

Some people have approached me over the years wanting to write about me and/ or my adventures. Each and every one of them politely asked if talking about me being trans was cool. That’s how it should be done.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Mercedes Streeter
10/29/2019 at 16:39

Thiel is a pile of shit and a hypocrite and should have sued them himself.

Reporting on important, influential people is what journalism is about. Everyone in his little bubble already knew about him. That means it wasn’t secret. And when a person has that amount of influence and power they lose some of the privacy that we have for not being important. That is the trade-off.

So we should have asked Weinstein if it was okay to report on the open secret that he was abusing women for years before that news broke?

I get that you’re protective of those in your community. Thiel doesn’t need any protection. If anything we need to make sure we are protected from him because he obviously has the the means to corrupt justice for his personal gain.

Mercedes Streeter > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
10/29/2019 at 17:10

First of all, I dislike Thiel and Jenner just as much as anyone else here. Thiel is practically a supervillian and Jenner is a disgrace to trans people. With that said, I don’t throw my beliefs away just because someone is an awful person.

Also, know that my position isn’t defending Thiel, rather criticizing the practice of outing someone just because their identity is an open secret in their personal circle.

Outing an influential person achieves what, exactly? It’s tabloid nonsense at best and can be dangerous at worst if the subject is dealing with depression.

Also, if someone is only out to a “little bubble” that means it’s still a secret to everyone else. Granted, I’ll give you the fact that being influential means you lose privacy. Still, it’s pretty scummy to out someone outside of their own terms, even if they’re evil and powerful.

And it’s not the first time Gawker has done it. Remember that Conde Nast exec? That escort he hired was male. They were literally outing him, too. They did it again when the tabloids were trying to out who was then Bruce Jenner.

So we should have asked Weinstein if it was okay to report on the open secret that he was abusing women for years before that news broke?

Oof. Not gonna lie, that one made me wince. That’s a false equivalence if I’ve ever seen one.

Outing a powerful gay man is not the same thing as reporting on a powerful sexual predator. One is a crime...the other is just being gay.

I’m not saying he does need protection and I’d agree that it’s scary that he can just bend justice towards his will.

All I’m saying is that it’s not the media’s job to out someone outside of their terms, regardless of how powerful or famous they are. Cishet people need to know that outing people is NOT okay.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Mercedes Streeter
10/29/2019 at 17:16

Mercedes Streeter > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
10/29/2019 at 17:20

Mature. Thanks for the debate.

Stef Schrader > ttyymmnn
10/29/2019 at 17:23

Yeah, I need to spend some quality time with a web-to-PDF extension soon. :( This is one of the ones that’s out there: https://www.printfriendly.com/

You can also request that your posts be archived on archive.org, just to be safe: https://web.archive.org/save

Stef Schrader > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja:
10/29/2019 at 17:37

LOL, that was mostly me and I’m freelance. N o masters, no cares, no... affordable healthcare.

Okay, f reelancing sucks big ol’ hairy piggy poop balls , but point being, what I did shouldn’t reflect much on Jalopnik . I don’t think Motor Trend is really itching to advertise here, and advertisers seem to be the only entities these private equity dinguses listen to against all common sense and reason. ( Apparently it’s an ad deal that led to autoplay videos with sound .)

Frankly, Loh’s tweets didn’t reflect all that well on Motor Trend, either. I don’t think much will come out of any of it.

(I said my piece on it already ad nauseum to every reply guy under the sun, so don’t @ me— I have a race car to finish and don’t have time for it .)

Cash Rewards > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
10/29/2019 at 17:44

Very true.

boredalways > dogisbadob
10/29/2019 at 17:44

Not disputing that. Just ignoring the obvious because it will always come up.

As it should.

dogisbadob > boredalways
10/29/2019 at 17:47

Stef Schrader > Urambo Tauro
10/29/2019 at 17:49

Sure, this could happen, and in theory, it makes some sense. In practice, however, cross-network sharing is a significant driver of traffic to other websites in the network.

It’s in the network’s best interest to have subjects of interest to multiple sites covered by multiple blogs. You click on a Deadspin mac-and-cheese post shared to Gizmodo while you’re reading Giz, then you see something else Deadspin’s written that’s interesting, and then you waste more time there instead of getting any work done. Some of my best performing posts have been those that were cross-posted to other network sites.

The data backs this up, as some of Deadspin’s most successful posts have been non-sports blogs that tend to be cross-posted across the network :

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I also trust a ten-year employee who’s stuck with Deadspin through ALL the BS it’s endured lately and who no doubt looks at these numbers to guide the site’s content to know the site’s audience better than someone who thinks dry sports content sans the wider sociopolitical context and other fun stuff of interest to sports fans is what Deadspin’s readers want.

Deadspin has had a mix of sports and cultural commentary for as long as I’ve read it, and changing that is a fundamental change in the website’s character that makes it like too many other existing sites out there. That mix has been pretty successful over the years, and changing it would kneecap the site’s success even more than the damn autoplay videos everyone hates.

boredalways > Mercedes Streeter
10/29/2019 at 17:50

You and do gisbadbo are correct of course. This is what I shared with him/her:

“Not disputing that. Just ignoring the obvious because it will always come up.

As it should."

ttyymmnn > Stef Schrader
10/29/2019 at 17:59

Good to know about the archive, thanks. My goal is to one day have all this on my own site, so I need the text and images downloaded and organized. I’m copying the text to Word, and downloading the images for each post separately. It’s very time consuming, but I’m not sure if there’s a better way to have complete control over the content in the future.

Urambo Tauro > Stef Schrader
10/29/2019 at 19:36

Crossposting is still kind of an obnoxious form of advertising off-topic posts from other blogs. Yes people love Beyoncé , but it’s still kinda wrong to play her music on an oldies radio station (yet). Yes people love Star Wars, but those movies shouldn’t be aired on the History Channel just because they’re “popular”. In the same way, I think it’s important to be very selective about what gets featured among the station/channel/blog’s main content . It’s fine to advertise other channels/stations during an ad break, and likewise I don’t have a problem with the “you may also like” ads inviting readers to check out the other blogs. I think you can trust readers to click on stories that they will find interesting via those thumbnails.

There are still plenty of completely justifiable ways to share posts between blogs though. There are so many things to write about that can easily fall into more than one category, like autonomous vehicles, which belong on Gizmodo just as much as they belong on Jalopnik. Or sports movies, which have a place on Deadspin just as much as they have a place on The A.V. Club.

Dusty Ventures > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
10/29/2019 at 23:35

...did you just compare being LGBTQ to sexual assault?

Stef Schrader > Urambo Tauro
10/30/2019 at 05:26

I mean, you may not personally like the share-a-palooza that goes on, but the numbers say that there’s plenty of others who are fine with it, or even........click on it . Don’t like what’s shared? Skip it. Pretty simple, that.

Besides, sports with a side of more general commentary is what Deadspin’s always done. It’s why people go there, particularly those who don’t even follow sports. Adequate Man is one of the few remaining sub-blogs because it was so damn successful. Deadspin doing the same dry “just the sports” coverage other sites do isn’t what the writers there signed up for, for sure.

Let’s be honest, too—part of why it makes sense to keep that coverage of non-sports things on Deadspin is because the writers build their audience there. In a perfect world, everyone would check every page, but I’ve seen how tribalistic y’all get about different sites and their individual site cultures. People go to Deadspin for Deadspin’s writers and commenters, just like Jalopnik fans go to read those writers’ and commenters’ takes. (Don’t act like various Oppo users don’t snip on Jez all the time, either.)

So, the current (rather successful!) way it’s set up makes sense if you realize that it’s divided up by staff/writing style /site culture more that it is rigidly by topic. The latter would certainly decrease shares across the network as there’d be fewer blogs that overlap , and thus, it’d decrease views.

M anagement needs to trust that it purchased a site run by competent people in editorial who know their audience, and it needs to allow those people to keep making competent decisions about their sites’ direction.

(Also, have you seen modern-day TV channels? It’s a dying medium, so that already makes it a bad comparison, but like, SyFy expanded to weird reality TV a long time ago, and BBC America now shows reruns of crap we already got here. I wish THEY knew their audience better because I’m really there on BBCA for reruns of old Top Gear. That may just be me, too, though. )

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Dusty Ventures
10/30/2019 at 07:29

No.

It was a poorly chosen comparison.

Urambo Tauro > Stef Schrader
10/30/2019 at 07:49

Yeah the dilution of cable channels that you used to be able to trust to consistently deliver on a given theme is annoying. I really miss being able to tune in to, say, Discovery at any time to get some science.

At any rate, I’m not here to defend ol’ Fartsmeller. When he said “stick to sports”, he was really just trying to shut people up and that’s not cool. But in the process, he did remind me of one of my pet peeves, so while I may agree with what he literally said in that tweet, I am very much against the spirit in which it was written.

Stef Schrader > Urambo Tauro
10/30/2019 at 08:16

Ha, fair enough.

He is 100% forever Jim Fartsmeller now, though. “Spamfeller” was good, too, but “Fartsmeller” makes me laugh more, and frankly, I could use a laugh as I rush to PDF my work here just in case.