Culiacan: Updated

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
10/18/2019 at 10:30 • Filed to: None

Yesterday, in what was most likely a planned operation to arrest Ovidio Guzmán“El Chapito”, the army stormed a mansion inside a private community in Culiacan.

The operation, involving thirty soldiers, culminated with Ovidio in government custody according to American and Mexican government sources. According to the Washington Post Mexico Bureau chief; Ovidio had an arrest and extradition warrant to face a trial in the US.

I say “most likely” because during a press conference the security cabinet members they claimed that the thirty-strong comboy of soldiers was merely patrolling the area when they were attacked from inside the house.

The first official statement from the President on the matter, however, was a little different; as he claimed it was a planned operation specifically to capture Ovidio.

With. Thirty. Soldiers.

Probably in connection to the arrest, a group of around 20-60 (depending on source) convicted criminals escaped from a local prison, and as the local government scrambled to recapture them, a series of “narco blockades” started appearing across the city. Armed with high power weapons like 50. cal rifles and turrets, they started shooting a police, burning vehicles, and blocking highways.

This all occurred at around 3PM yesterday. The state government took three hours to release a statement. Most comercial activity in Culiacan today is cancelled, as well as school and most government administrative work.

It’s unclear what actually happened with Ovidio. The only evidence we have of him in custody are a couple of “leaked” photos of him wearing a military uniform in order to avoid detection, and talking on his phone. Some rumors claim that the operation to detain him was unsuccessful from the beginning.

According to Mexican law, it is ilegal to release the names or photos of detained people.

Yesterday, during the security cabinet press conference, Secretary Duarzo (the leader of the civilian security apparatus) claimed that “They had cancelled” something.

What was that?

It became clear overnight that the government, under pressure from the cartels, released Ovidio. President Obrador claimed this morning that this was in order to avoid “further casualties.”

According to new reports; a prisoner exchange was carried out; a medium level military officer and eight soldiers for Ovidio.

No death count is out yet, but it’s speculated that more than a dozen police officers and three unconnected civilians were murdered. The number of cartel members killed or detained is not specified yet.

DISCUSSION (43)

facw > Spanfeller is a twat
10/17/2019 at 20:09

That’s pretty intense. Gun fights in the streets. Even technicals running around:

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

Spanfeller is a twat > facw
10/17/2019 at 20:15

Ive seen the videos ; its insane. I hope its clarified soon

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Spanfeller is a twat
10/17/2019 at 20:24

I hope so too, I’m glad you are okay. I hope your loved ones are as well. Mexico is a fantastic and beautiful place with wonderful people, I can’t wait until this violence is in the past and the world can focus on what makes Mexico so lovely (not that this violence doesn’t deserve attention)

Spanfeller is a twat > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick)
10/17/2019 at 20:26

Thanks; we don’t have family in Culiacan... but yeah Its nuts

OPPOsaurus WRX > Spanfeller is a twat
10/17/2019 at 20:37

Wow for a minute I thought that was Syria. Went to Mexico for my honey moon, such a great place when there are no machine guns

Spanfeller is a twat > OPPOsaurus WRX
10/17/2019 at 20:42

Nice, where did you go?

I agree; the quality of places increases significantly when there aren’t any machine guns.

My bird IS the word > facw
10/17/2019 at 21:03

Those gang members out in the open make such tantalizing targets...

Aremmes > Spanfeller is a twat
10/17/2019 at 21:12

For a minute I thought you were shitposting a meme comparing Culiacán with a postapocalyptic hell hole. That picture threw me off hard.

Spanfeller is a twat > Aremmes
10/17/2019 at 21:27

The army is literally deploying armored assault vehicles with turrets... it is a bit hellish

Spanfeller is a twat > My bird IS the word
10/17/2019 at 21:34

The other day, I saw someone on twitter saying that they should deploy drone strikes

My bird IS the word > Spanfeller is a twat
10/17/2019 at 23:41

Yeah not in a major metropolitan area

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat
10/17/2019 at 23:47

Used to work with a guy from Culican. His cousins would come up every now and then and we’d go out shooting. They were...interesting hombres.

facw > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 08:25

Hmm, sounds like they arrested one of El Chapo’s sons and then let him go when confronted with the fighting. If so, that’s a pretty major embarrassment.

Spanfeller is a twat > facw
10/18/2019 at 10:31

Well... yesterday was a stupid day.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti
10/18/2019 at 11:00

Was their last name Guzman?

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 11:04

No ;)

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 12:00

At what point does everyone realize that the government has completely lost control and ask for outside assistance? I’d think the other members of the U nited Nations would have an interest in one of their member countries being wholly controlled by narco terrorists, so help is likely there for the asking .

The good people of Mexico deserve better.

Spanfeller is a twat > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja:
10/18/2019 at 12:13

It’s maybe because we want a semblance of sovereignty. It may sound stupid... but Mexico doesn’t host a single foreign military base; many countries have been forced to host foreign forces after seeking assistance.

I know it’s petty, but I imagine it’s how the government feels.

It just shows that the government really doesn’t know what it’s doing... A state capital was basically under siege -with the livelihood and whereabouts of both the governor and the mayor unconfirmed for hours- and they still don’t have an explanation as to:

1. Why did they try to arrest the leader of the largest cartel in Mexico with 30 soldiers with no backup in broad daylight at his residence?

2. Why did they release the leader if they already had him in custody, was aerial retrieval of Ovidio unfeasible ?

3. How was the joint force of the local, state, and federal security services overwhelmed by the cartel? Specially if they wanted to arrest a leader?

4. Why did they try to arrest the leader in the first place? it has been proven that cutting the snake’s head has never worked as far as dismantling cartels.

5. Why did it take the feds, the state government , and the local government multiple hours to respond to the citizenry?

I think asking for external help is still a bit controversial, but today every M exican could probably agree that the national security apparatus needs a reality check.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 12:46

I’m waiting for things to get hot again in some areas of Spain with the recent heavy-handed actions of an incompetent government.

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 12:51

Please lets not compare the things going on in Catalonia with this

For one; it might be easier to resolve the question of Catalonian statehood

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 12:59

Oh, one is much worse than the other, but both stem from governmental idiocy.

I think Spain has already addressed that question, and the answer is: no. Even if it has to (once again) act in an authoritarian manner.

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 13:17

I think that they’re not taking advantage that the people of Catalonia aren’t united on the issue -the illegal, unsanctioned referendum barely passed the threshold to begin with- By being violent they’re just making people change their minds.

It’s a brainwash by people like Puigdemont, which is facilitated by the central government. Because if Catalonia becomes independent it will fail; they have too much debt, too many corporate interests in mainland Spain, and no possible path to membership into the EU. Independence will only serve to inflate the ego and the power of a political minority. It almost makes more sense for Galicia to become independent than it does for Catalonia, and even then neither make much sense.

From a pragmatic standpoint, I am totally against it, but from an ideological standpoint I’m finding it harder and harder to support the President of Parliament.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 13:22

The Spanish government handing down ridiculous punishment is also going to not help the people they are trying to win over change their minds. Would such a referendum ever have a chance of being legal to begin with? It’s like when the law and order cowards in Murka remark about an illegal demonstration, when the event technically would have required a permit that the local power base would never issue to begin with. Maybe let em run away, let it fail, then they can come running back begging for forgiven ess. I just wish some American states would try to secede.

I suppose the issue in Mexico is more along the lines of poor planning and simple corruption (which the US seems to want to compete with).

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 13:31

The Spanish government handing down ridiculous punishment is also going to not help the people they are trying to win over change their minds.

I agree, it’s what I’m trying to say: The central government is just proving Puigdemont right. Nowadays Catalonian dissenters can’t have peace of mind.

As for Mexico; It’s absolutely corruption and poor planning. The government just proved that they’re absolutely, hysterically unprepared to govern. I expect a slew of resignations on Monday.

But the Mexican government has never been any good at keeping my expectations.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 13:43

I’d love to see the EU take some kind of action, but we all know they are a toothless paper tiger when it comes to actually taking action on virtually anything when their members mess up and abuse their citizenry.

Don’t feel too bad, most of the supposedly more developed US federal government installed since January 2017 is working towards a kakistocracy, with the worst corruption in modern history, and the legal system is whistling past the graveyard.

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 13:48

They have kept the Tories’ at bay for a few years... but yeah, the EU central government is not very powerful.

I think it’s time to consider dissolving national level governments, and just let the EU and the middle-level governments manage the whole continent.

A United States of Europe.

The only issue is that you’d have to dissolve a monarchy in a certain country ... Which according to one of their laws I can’t criticize.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 14:11

I’d only fear that the EU-USA idea would be even less competent and capabl e than the actual USA, which lately would be a hard act to follow. So many diver se and competing interests, much more so than the two or three different shades of center-rightism that make up most American politics. It still would be better than most governments in Spain and Italy though, not to mention Limeyland.

Does that monarchy have real power anyway?

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 14:15

Does that monarchy have real power anyway?

They could theoretically send me to jail for up to two years if I “injure” their reputation. As a citizen born abroad I am genuinely scared to challenge them since I’m not actually sure if my citizenship can’t be revoked .

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 14:41

In modern times has anyone been prosecuted/persecuted for that?

And is the citizenship worth it?

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 14:51

The answer to both is yes.

The Spanish passport means that if I ever need to move to the US, or Canada, or the UK, or virtually any country except some nations in South America, I will have less of an issue.

It also means that if I’m ever wrongfully persecuted in Mexico, I have an extra layer of consular protection.

My family is moving to Madrid in January just because we have the citizenship; I can literally arrive there and start working the next day without any questions asked. It is a privilege whose benefits cannot be understated.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 14:55

Why is your family even in Mexico then?

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 15:02

https://cigarlounge.kinja.com/of-wealth-an-exuberance-1836611922

Basically, we balanced the drawbacks of living here with the economic benefits, shamefully the economy in Mexico is having a huge downturn, crime is rising, and it’s just not worth it anymore. We have the flexibility to try out living there, and see how much economic success we can achieve.

I’m sure you must be disappointed with me... and I’m sorry.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/18/2019 at 16:01

So it’s just a way for dynastic wealth to hide out and maybe live cheaper? Yeah, hard to have sympathy.

If you become full fledged engineer, you can probably choose where to live, so there’s that.

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/18/2019 at 16:23

So it’s just a way for dynastic wealth to hide out and maybe live cheaper?

Not really, I can explain it if you want to, and if you don’t I can totally understand. I don’t think your views are wrong in general (I mostly agree with them) ... the thing is that we’re just not in a comparable level to what you would consider “dynastic wealth.”

As for the sympathy... I’m not sure you should have any... I don’t deserve any: I’m not suffering.... that is very clear to me. I’m just throwing out to the people of Oppo what is happening in my life... it’s a way to process it.

Becoming independent from my family is my current long term goal, and my career is a central part of it.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/19/2019 at 00:01

Born on third base = dynastic wealth. One having the best handed to them and then pretending they built it themselves. Plenty like that in my area - get a free ride to university from mom and dad, new car in school and after, insurance paid, down payment on a first house, sometimes huge help landing the first real job, maybe a trust fund, big inheritances to look forward to, etc, and they don’t seem to realize that most aren’t so lucky in the real world, and luck is every bit a factor as any kind of hard work. You don’t have to be a billionaire to take part, but in my area anyway, having little self-awareness is a fun part of it.

Where do you want to live?

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/19/2019 at 00:25

I don’t know... I might like Madrid... but other than that I never really fell in love with any place... right now I’m looking at internships while the fall semester begins.

I try to be as self aware as possible, if that is of any value.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/19/2019 at 00:44

I meant no offense in that btw, it’s just another local demographic that bugs me. Seems to often be overlapping circles with it and libertarian dirtbags , too.

Would you want to live in the US/Canada at all?

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/19/2019 at 01:51

You’re not offending me. You’re pointing out some key issues. Privilege wraps our world views, and it makes it harder for us to understand how life actually is

I considered Vancouver for a while. But I don’t really have a reason to move to either Canada or the US unless I start an academic program over there.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/19/2019 at 13:08

Some people might live in a bubble. I have a friend with wealthy parents who sometimes acts like that - he’s intelligent and successful, but sometimes doesn’t seem to understand that people of average background don’t have the same head start, and that not everyone can relate to growing up in boarding schools and never really having to worry about paying bills.

Is it an issue with credentials being accepted everywhere? Vancouver is a beautiful city, but not without issues, probably has a gini coefficient similar to Mexico City (Seattle is about to say “hold my beer”).

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/19/2019 at 14:26

Well, I think to an extent everyone has a tough time recognizing their privilege. It might do your friend well if he put himself in the context of his privilege, it might let him appreciate how much he could be able to give back to society given he had a head start. As Andrew Carnegie said “The man who dies rich, dies disgraced.”

You could argue that the fact that Carnegie was even allowed to become so rich is bad... but at least he wasn’t like the fucking Rockefellers.

In my current college, my degree is valid in the United States, I don’t know about the one in Madrid but I suspect the same. I’d basically prefer Canada due to the immigration process and the metric system.

Mexico City’s average GINI is around 0.46... my Borough is at 0.43

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/20/2019 at 00:19

And many people have some form privilege , or at least luck. I realize I was lucky to have parents who at least cared enough to provide for me while growing up, and cared about schooling etc, even if they couldn’t gift me with a free ride. I also know I’d have a harder time if I was born into other demographic groups. I am not sure what my friend plans to do with his residual wealth (he has a bit and stands to inherit a nice sum as well), maybe I can get in on a will :)

Is anyone like Carnegie today? Sure some tycoons have pet causes and contribute a lot to medical research etc, but it seems to be un common as hidden billionaires are the new trend, who do nothing but move money around to avoid tax responsibility (while us working stiffs get less and less while paying more).

Seattle and Vancouver both have immense homelessness and affordable housing crises, becoming playgrounds for the rich and very rich alike, while existing less fortunate people are pushed out. I have to wonder if there will be a last straw.

Spanfeller is a twat > fintail
10/20/2019 at 19:29

I think Carnegie donated something like 90% of his wealth, which in today’s money it’s close to 300 billion dollars. I’m not certain, some sources say he only donated five billion in today’s money. Bill G ates will probably get the closest to donating as much as Carnegie did.... He’s already at around 36 billion.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat
10/20/2019 at 23:27

Gates is definitely the modern standard, I’d like to see more of it used domestically though. So many others just do what will what works best for taxation.