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"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 10/08/2019 at 19:27 • Filed to: None

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Just puttin’ that out there... But cheaper than an Explorer...

66P1800inpieces > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 19:33

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Weird illusion of reverse rake.  I remember the old days of E150s with helper springs looking lifted in the rear. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 19:35

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could be worse

shop-teacher > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 19:35

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Yep.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 19:39

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I think these look pretty okay tbh 

CB > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/08/2019 at 19:42

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you what

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 19:44

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They drive pretty nice, especially for how big they are. Pretty good pick up and easy to park.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 19:44

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Smaller sister looks better.

Transit Custom Tourneo

dogisbadob > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/08/2019 at 20:05

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There is nothing wrong with that :o)

At least the entire engine fits under the hood :p

Tripper > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 20:17

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Bit for what it is. Also we fit 18 bros in one of those in complete comfort 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 20:29

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I actually like them while I am not a fan of the Astro! But I do appreciate the Astro

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 21:00

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That towing capacity though....

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 21:00

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That towing capacity though....

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 21:06

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https://www.enterprisecarsales.com/list/buy-a-car/vehicle/1FBZX2ZM4JKA29516/Used-2018-Ford-Transit-Passenger-Wagon-Riverside-CA

https://media-cdn-delta.jazelc.com/media/4289484

there are some cheaper options if not looking new

Longtime Lurker > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 21:19

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Its a fullsize van. Im sure there are people that said the same thing about your van when it was new.

wafflesnfalafel > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 21:36

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I actually kinda like the look of the new Transit - especially in short box.  

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/08/2019 at 23:09

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I think they look better without windows.

Dusty Ventures > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 00:30

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I’ll take an Ecoboost Transit any day of the week. 0-60 in under 7 seconds in a van.

Cé hé sin > Dusty Ventures 10/09/2019 at 04:54

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That’s rather quicker than any Transit I can buy - 2.0 diesel only. Then again if the people who buy these for lo cal deliveries and as work vehicles wanted any more go I suppose Ford would have supp lied it.

2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 09:55

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At least it was designed in this decade, rather than our friends at GM trying to pass off the 92 model year safari as a 2019

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > 66P1800inpieces 10/09/2019 at 10:52

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Very Euro.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 10/09/2019 at 10:52

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That is an ugly truck, for certain.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 10/09/2019 at 10:54

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Probably look better from the inside.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 10/09/2019 at 10:55

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This looks better than that straight profile image, but still pretty scary-looking. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 10/09/2019 at 10:58

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Looks to be a good deal larger than my Safari.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Longtime Lurker 10/09/2019 at 10:58

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I’m sure there are people saying that about my v an now that it’s old.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 10/09/2019 at 11:00

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What appeals to me about the Safari is how utile it is. I can fit a sheet of plywood inside on the floor. I can (rated up to) tow 5,000 pounds. Drives well and has been supremely  dependable.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Cé hé sin 10/09/2019 at 11:02

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Ironic to me that only oil burners are offered in Europe.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Dusty Ventures 10/09/2019 at 11:02

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I don’t need acceleration; I need pulling torque and utility.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > 2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered 10/09/2019 at 11:05

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What are you talking about?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CB 10/09/2019 at 11:15

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That would make a good pope mobile if the pope was blind. 

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 11:16

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That was very much the case for our 1991 Mazda MPV family truckster growing up. Carried people, carried stuff, rwd, rated to tow 4500lbs (smaller boat at the time) and was a bullet proof, if expensive, example of Japanese bubble era build quality. It was chosen in part because it drove and handled so well (unibody, RWD Mazda 929 platform derivative) .

That said, I’m a fan of the current Ford Transit. We rent cargo vans to haul acquired collections from time-to-time. The transit is by far the best driving of the current full-size vans. Most of the other alternatives feel like driving something from a previous era . There’s also like a thousand different configurations the Transit can be ordered in, so I can’t imagine not being able to spec one out to exactly what you want.

2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 11:19

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That at least ford tried to modernize the van over the GMC Savanna and Chevy Express, idk why I thought the Savanna was the Safari

Basically GM doesn't update their shit and at least Ford has a modern van, even if it's a bit ugly

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 10/09/2019 at 11:21

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I haven’t checked numbers yet, but what’s the smallest Transit wheelbase that’ll accommodate a sheet of plywood? Do you happen to know offhand?

Also, what’s this about “acquired collection?” Sounds interesting.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 11:51

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Acquired collections are (sometimes many) boxes of donated papers to the archives and special collections department I work for in the university library .  I don’t know on the first question, but my guess would be any of them with a row or two of seats removed.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > 2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered 10/09/2019 at 12:09

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Fair enough. But lack of modernity can have its advantages in maintainability.

2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 12:19

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Sure, but that Alone doesn’t make a good product, the Ford is much better for with Space for one, is still just as repairable, and designed Better for the driver.

Modernization is still a key element in any car

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > 2Fast2Furious: Rotary Powered 10/09/2019 at 12:25

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I’m not disagreeing with you, but making my case for an alternative. Driving and maintaining an automobile is a costly proposition. And atop it all is the depreciation.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 12:32

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I blame Mercedes Benz.

Their commercial van started out OK, but then got ugly.

Then Chrysler spun it off as the commercial RAM van, and it got uglier.

Nissan and Ford tried to compete with it, and they got uglier, also.

Now they all look like shipping containers on wheels with a Halloween mask competition to see which can look scariest from the front.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 10/09/2019 at 12:33

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Hallowe’en Darth Vader mask... True for too many cars these days. Like the Honda Civic, prime example..

Cé hé sin > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 18:05

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Not really, vans have been diesel-only (or almost so) for decades. Petrol ones wouldn’t make much commercial sense and I wouldn’t like trying to sell one second hand.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Cé hé sin 10/09/2019 at 18:11

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Do I remember correctly that you are in Ireland? Can you tell me what the factors are that cause petrol models not to make sense?

Cé hé sin > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 10/09/2019 at 18:18

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They use about one third more fuel. Fuel’s expensive. Also, diesel is cheaper than petrol.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Cé hé sin 10/09/2019 at 18:44

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But particulates... Diesel fuel contains more energy by unit volume than petrol, which can bring about better mileage. Or kilometerage... Is diesel fuel subsidized somehow? In the U.S., diesel is more expensive than gasoline.

66P1800inpieces > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 10/10/2019 at 10:35

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Interesting. I want to do van life for 1 month.  Renting seems expensive so thinking of buying one,  throwing a mattress in the back and selling once I get back.