Article which made me irrationally angry.

"Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)" (bman76-4) 10/03/2019 at 16:50 • Filed to: None

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This is easily the fucking stupidest this I’ve seen in a while. Either make them real or do turndowns, but under no circumstance should this kind of bullshit ever exist in the world.

HammerheadFistpunch > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 16:59

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The argument goes that real tips look nasty over time with the acidic water vapor that comes out the pipes due to combustion so give them all the looks of the real deal, and have them exit in the real place, but drop them out before the tips get nasty.  I can’t say I’m upset about it...I see the logic...but I can see why people would get upset about it.  Fake is fake, no matter how you slice it.

Ash78, voting early and often > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 16:59

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I agree. Visible exhaust tips seem archaic to me on most cars . I get that people want to show them off or whatever, but it’s just another aesthetic trend that tries to mimic the aftermarket.

I think there are plenty of cases where visible tips are needed, like space constraints on race cars, or to minimize resonance/NVH issues that some downturned tips create, but this particular case is just silly.

PowderHound > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:00

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Cut that bullshit off and add lightness!

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:02

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I’ve read that Direct Injection engines produce a TON of soot, so tailpipes like this are done to keep customers from complaining about the lack of tailpipes (why you can’t just hide them altogether) or questioning why they are so dirty (when their previous cars did not do this). On boring cars like this ST thing they don’t bother me at all, real exhaust tips wouldn’t make them any cooler. Now a C8 or Miata or Camaro/Mustang  with fake tips, that is unacceptable 

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > HammerheadFistpunch 10/03/2019 at 17:04

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Then fix the damn problem or pick a tip material that’s actually suitable given the requirements. This ain’t rocket science.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 10/03/2019 at 17:07

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Nothing aggravates me more than fake objects purporting to be functional. There’s no reason why they couldn’t have figured out a solution like, I don’t know, black exhaust tips. 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:11

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I must admit, completely fake tips attached to a real pair of pipes is a new one on me. I’m not sure whether to applaud the genius or be disgusted in every fiber. Imagine me doing the most totally disgusted slow clap ever.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:12

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Except the very existence of these fake tips  is to provide the function of obscuring the sooty exhaust tips from consumers. Now the fake vents on cars.....those I want to put my foot through

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Ash78, voting early and often 10/03/2019 at 17:14

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Honestly I feel the same way about most elements of modern car design. We have LED headlights that can be tiny and electric fans that mean we barely need grilles, so why is every manufacturer building Audi ripoffs with giant grilles?

(The Porsche Taycan’s design makes me happy)

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:18

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Are they a completely diverted outlet, or just a baffled diverter that still allows some appearance and sound to come out as it would appear?

Soot and sound directed down does reduce mess and mitigate a little bit of directional sound by directing it at the pavement to radiate the reflected soundwaves in a more radial pattern.

Noise levels measured directly behind the vehicle might be slightly lessened and attenuated, without needing more backpressure in the exhaust system.

A completely diverted outlet may have the same effects on soot and sound, but would seem pointless to have exposed exhaust at all. But people do weird things in the name of fashion.

CobraJoe > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:18

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Nothing aggravates me more than fake objects purporting to be fun ctional.

Same here.

The only thing worse is when a product is very clearly a “Worst of both worlds” combination.

“Lets take a highly functional SUV and make it look like a sports car!” I hate this thing with a passion.  

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 10/03/2019 at 17:19

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Yeah, but you don’t obscure them by creating a fake version... I’d hack them off and put a real through tip on  in a heartbeat

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > CobraJoe 10/03/2019 at 17:22

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Yeah, when it comes to design a compromise usually isn’t a middle ground, it’s a total failure.

Ash78, voting early and often > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:22

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And the worst of all, as soon as you get close to the giant grilles, you see how many of the little holes are actually blocked. I don’t think we need to go Full Tesla because the nose needs more differentiation than just an expanse of paint. But yeah, huge grilles are nuts.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:30

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Easy there big fell —

(reads article)

Oh heh-heh-hEEEELLLL no

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 10/03/2019 at 17:35

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I can’t really get upset about this.. TRD Sport and all..

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:36

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But if there’s no fake version of the tips then customers will call the dealership asking where they are, and if they made a mistake and bought some kind of electric car? You have to remember we are not the average consumers. I think I would chop off those fake exhaust tips and stick them on something that’s not a tarted up Escape

Svend > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:37

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That’s what I like about our Skoda Superbs, no visible exhaust tips.

Sandy

Piglet

Dissy (HDD - Hard Disk Drive -  Dissy) 

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Ash78, voting early and often 10/03/2019 at 17:37

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I’m fine with differetiating a surface finish, but I have a problem with it masquerading as something its not. Neither the pre or post facelift Tesla front end has figured it out. Porsche did, but that’s because they have a long history of not needing a grille in the bumper  to draw inspiration from.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 10/03/2019 at 17:38

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yeah.  Toyota...its been so long since F&F one.  are they even still furious? I don’t even know anymore.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) 10/03/2019 at 17:43

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I guess this stems from my design education/background/career that tells me there’s nothing worse than fake. Honesty in design is the easiest way to make something look/function well.

WiscoProud > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:44

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They also do that. 

Svend > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:44

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I sort of agree with you on the grilles.

2013 Mk2 Superb.

Only the lower bit of the grille is open.

The 2016 Mk3 Superb is the same.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:45

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It probably has to do with wanting a given look, however that look is actually TERRIBLE way to have exhaust fumes exit because it can lead to fumes getting sucked back in at speed if the rear hatch is open.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Svend 10/03/2019 at 17:45

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Also just really good design. The first time I saw the clamshell hood/fender design I completely fell in love with those cars.

WiscoProud > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:46

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The tips are hidden/tilted to hide soot accumulation. Soot is due to direct injection in low load scenarios, where DI isn’t most effective . This can be solved by using dual injection like Ford and Toyota do.

I wonder why more brands haven’t adopted this technology and also why it isn’t being used in diesel engines. 

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:47

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“Nothing aggravates me more than fake objects purporting to be functional.”

Like the Trump administration?

LOL

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > HammerheadFistpunch 10/03/2019 at 17:49

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I wonder if it wouldn’t have been better to use 60 degree chrome turndowns - that way the sound and issues with appearance would have been dodged without being completely fake.

Into just enough of a recess that they don’t stick out and stab people, could make for an underutilized styling touch.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 10/03/2019 at 17:51

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Yes

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 17:58

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I find irrational anger to be exhausting. And I am exhausted...  

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 10/03/2019 at 18:04

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Ayyyyyyyyy

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 18:09

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Explorer ST: The Ocarina of Time

Bubb Rubb approved, methinks

wafflesnfalafel > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 18:13

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Ford should put flashy/blinky red LEDs in the fake pipes to make them look like jet boosters.

Svend > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 18:25

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Ye’, I love the clamshell bonnet and how the shut blends in with the side moulding.

Spanfeller is a twat > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 18:56

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The new GLE’s have a more sophisticated stupid solution 

Chariotoflove > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 19:09

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This is so low-class and offensive. Ford should be ashamed, and anyone should be ashamed to drive it.

Unless someone puts them on a Leaf or Prius.  Then it would be genius.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Svend 10/03/2019 at 19:27

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That’s just such a nice detail. 11/10 would buy.

Svend > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 19:36

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It’s one of many great details on the car.

Lounge mats

Ice scraper

jimz > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 19:42

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literally nobody actually buying an Explorer will care.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > jimz 10/03/2019 at 20:26

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But I do.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > WiscoProud 10/03/2019 at 20:30

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Twice the injection hardware means a much more expensive engine than just running one or the other. Ford has started doing dual injection because they had a lot of problems with build up in the intake tract of their early DI only Ecoboosts.

ETA: Diesel creates soot mostly  because of the fuel, not because it’s DI. 

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > CobraJoe 10/03/2019 at 22:01

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Plus comes from the factory with Camry dents.

jimz > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/03/2019 at 22:02

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so?  you’re not buying an Explorer.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > jimz 10/04/2019 at 00:21

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*s hakes fist at sky*

Ash78, voting early and often > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/04/2019 at 09:15

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Very well said on Porsche . If not for pedestrian regulations, I think we could slowly make our way back to more of a wedge shape all across the industry, especially for EVs.

Grilles have always been a hangup for designers. And when they’ve tried to eliminate them — even on ICE vehicles — it usually doesn’t go over too well.

The Mk3 Passat (B3) comes to mind. Too far ahead of its time. The cooling comes mainly from the lower grille, but the badge also allowed air to pass through it. Pretty universally derided in the reviews back in the early 90s. But definitely a little avant-garde. Almost French.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Ash78, voting early and often 10/04/2019 at 09:27

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Honestly I really like that.

That being said, I’m also a huge fan of French design and I agree that has a little Citröen and/or first gen Ford Taurus in it.

Jason Spears > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 10/04/2019 at 12:16

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Because this is easy to facelift into an eco-friendly look that completely hides the functional exhaust.

I see more new models with turndowns and vestigial chrome accents where there used to be chrome exhaust tip finishers or those styled surrounds that are integrated into some bumper covers . My theory is that this is manufacturers getting themselves and consumers ready for the look of the zero-emissions future. Ford must be on the fence with this model, and if so this is a smart design for them.

WiscoProud > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 10/04/2019 at 12:32

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It is more expensive to have two injection systems, but it also makes the engine more reliable as you don’t have carbon buildup on the valves, not to mention cleaner running. I found an article where the manufacturers were debating putting a particulate filter onto gas engines to capture the soot, with the resulting systems needed to do regens like on diesels, i have to imagine the cost isn’t far off.