Any Sovereigns Here?

"SteveLehto" (stevelehto) 01/08/2019 at 08:33 • Filed to: None

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I get people commenting on my videos daily about how the Supreme Court has ruled you do not need a driver’s license in the US to drive on the roads so long as you are not doing it commercially. But no one can ever show me the case.

So, today I throw out a hundo and will give it to the first person to send me the citation to this Holy Grail case. Have any kooky friends who believe this? Please share my video with them.

Thanks!

Steve

OPPOsaurus WRX > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 08:41

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I love those people. They have provided hours and hours of entertainment.

You need to do some more videos of the tow truck tales, crazy lawyer s, and stuff like that .

jimz > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 08:44

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I have one.  I have to get it back, though, I lent it to Elvis who has been kept alive all this time by George Soros’s brown shirts. 

Tapas > OPPOsaurus WRX 01/08/2019 at 08:45

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Well, just be glad you dont have to live with them.......

CB > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 08:47

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In my line of work, Free Men on Land (the sovereign citizens of Canada) are a pretty big risk whenever dealt with. I’ve been told to never enter an argument with them about anything.

jimz > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 08:52

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in all seriousness, I saw one of these morons a few months ago driving up Groesbeck in an Explorer (like yours.) instead of an MI license plate it had one which put a big “ 18 U.S. C. § 242" on it, and the magic words “Private” “Not for commercial use” as well.

this is one of the worst things about US culture.  we tell people their “gut feeling” (no matter how uninformed or just plain stupid) is worth more than actual facts.  

LongbowMkII > jimz 01/08/2019 at 08:53

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We’re only keeping him alive until he goes on YouTube to confess and apologize about stealing rock and roll from black artists.

nerd_racing > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 08:53

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I find it funny that even the briefest internet search arrives at the same conclusion, that you are required by law to have a license to operate a motor vehicle in all 50 states.  

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > CB 01/08/2019 at 08:57

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FML, haha

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > nerd_racing 01/08/2019 at 09:00

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That's just what They want you to think. 

jimz > nerd_racing 01/08/2019 at 09:02

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US culture has a strange yet pervasive attitude that expertise and knowledge are to be distrusted.  for example, in many other countries, being an engineer is considered a trusted, honored profession.  here?  I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve heard morons grumble about “those stupid engineers” because something doesn’t work the way they think it should. we tell people to trust their “gut feelings” even if they’re drooling idiots.  

dumpsterfire! > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 09:02

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https://thelawdictionary.org/driver/

the folks i’ve interacted about this always quote Black’s Law definition to me as their guiding light.

nerd_racing > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 01/08/2019 at 09:04

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OK I’ll take the bait... (pretty sure it was sarcasm tho)

Individual states have the right to require the use of driver’s licenses to operate motor vehicles. Every state requires a drivers licence to operate a motor vehicle, by law. Federal law stipulates that states have the rights to enforce such laws.

Is this you Leo?

nerd_racing > jimz 01/08/2019 at 09:06

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I’m on my 9th year in the profession as a Product Engineer.  I can 100% verify the validity of your statement.  

Funktheduck > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 09:07

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I’ve been fortunate enough to run into any of these people personally but their YouTube videos are funny until you realize they’re serious and then I get sad 

CB > dumpsterfire! 01/08/2019 at 09:09

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Which totally misses the point that when working with legislation, you go with the definitions in the act first, after which using legal definitions from law dictionaries may be appropriate. However, a 1902 dictionary won’t get you far.

SteveLehto > dumpsterfire! 01/08/2019 at 09:10

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The most idiotic of all arguments. When I note for them that the dictionary is not a law - IT IS A DICTIONARY - they get confused and then say the Supreme Court follows the dictionary.

SteveLehto > jimz 01/08/2019 at 09:11

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I may have talked to that guy. A guy from MICH (somewhere over there) called me and said he has such a license and the cops let him go “all the time.” Yeah, that won’t en d well.

DipodomysDeserti > jimz 01/08/2019 at 09:14

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I had to convince a student that it’s not good for them to drink hydrogen peroxide. Problem was it was their parent telling them it was good for them. I showed her how to look up medical studies and roughly interpret them as a way to combat that. People are skeptical of experts, but will take medical advice from someone on Youtube.

jimz > dumpsterfire! 01/08/2019 at 09:18

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Black’s Law is no more law than Godwin’s Law. 

DipodomysDeserti > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 09:20

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I think you’re going to need to convert that $100 into gold, sir. The Supreme Court of the Southeas t Michigan Volunteer Militia has ruled that gold is only valid form of currency in Michigan.

It’d be interesting if these wingnuts have a license on them when they go to buy guns and hand grenades off Craigslist.

Mercedes Streeter > jimz 01/08/2019 at 09:21

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I wish distrusting engineers was the worst of it...

Instead, we also get cancerous people who think essential oils cure everything and vaccines give your kids autism.

Ah yes, because your doctor totally spent 8 years of their life and six figures becoming an expert in medical science just to lie to you. Becky down the street totally knows what your doctor doesn’t want you to know.

Ugh... Don’t these people know that before vaccines and modern medicine humans had a lifespan of about  40 years and there were like a billion diseases waiting to pick you off even earlier than that? Children today don't have to worry about Polio.

If Steve Jobs didn’t buy in to that he’d probably still be alive today.

Vaccinate your kids. I don’t know why that’s so hard for people nowadays. Kid’s allergic to vaccines? Fine, that’s why other kids need vaccines so the herd immunity protects yours.

DipodomysDeserti > jimz 01/08/2019 at 09:27

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Murphy’s Law is pretty legit, though.

jimz > Funktheduck 01/08/2019 at 09:29

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though it is satisfying at the end when the police have had enough of that shit, bust out their windows, and drag them out of their cars. 

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 09:29

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Hey Steve, can I get partial credit?

Arizona DREAM Act Colaition, et al v. Brewer, 16-1180, 9th Circuit.

It was ruled that a state may NOT refuse and MUST issue a driver’s license to any person who meets reasonable qualifications and is defined by federal law as someone who is legally present . The state MAY NOT refuse to issue drivers licenses on spurious grounds, such as just deciding to redefine federal law because the governor is a bigoted, racist piece of shit.

Also that drivers licenses are a required component to operate a motor vehicle, and refusal of them renders the petitioners unable to legally operate a motor vehicle.

Original docket 2:12-cv-02546 (D. Ariz.) Upheld on appeal by the 9th Circuit, petition to the Supreme Court denied hard .

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > CB 01/08/2019 at 09:29

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Who kisses their boo-boos?

jimz > Mercedes Streeter 01/08/2019 at 09:31

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very true, I mentioned engineers since I am one. I’m fed up with the attitude that if tabaccky-chewin’ Billy Bob with a 60 IQ bungs up something out of gum and wire in his shed which works for an hour , he’s a genius, but experienced engineers are idiots because an oil filter is in an inconvenient location.

citrus > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 09:36

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“I'm not 'driving' I'm 'moving about the land' I know my rights!"

Milky > DipodomysDeserti 01/08/2019 at 09:39

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Back in my redneck days (read: high school) I had friends in the Michigan Militia, or well his parents. They had a scary amount of guns.

xyzabc > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 10:05

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Here’s mine...

SteveLehto > DipodomysDeserti 01/08/2019 at 10:10

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I make the offer in silver as well.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 10:25

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I’ve had many experiences with Constitutionally Challenged individuals due to my line of work, though surprisingly even the most ardent of ones still have state DLs. When I worked in NM, many would only recognize the jurisdiction of the county sheriffs, as that was the only branch referred to in the NM Constitution. Likewise, tax laws are only written for Virgin Islands Businessmen, duh.

But seriously I’ve seen people wreck their lives (and their kids’ lives) due to these strange beliefs. Even serve significant jail time over it. 

Dusty Ventures > jimz 01/08/2019 at 10:28

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I agree with you with one exception: the engineer who placed the starter motor on the Northstar V8 was either a fool or a sadist.

jimz > Dusty Ventures 01/08/2019 at 10:48

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hey, if it was good enough for Porsche...

though I’ll be honest, decisions like that aren’t made by one person. and not solely by engineering. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 01/08/2019 at 11:05

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Just taz e them from a distance right ?

DipodomysDeserti > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 11:32

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You could probably get away with colloidal silver as well.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > jimz 01/08/2019 at 11:48

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Well there’s some give and take on that. I was replacing a front leaf spring drive bracket on a newer Western Star the other day. It sits under the frame and is held on by five bolts. One won’t come out because it smashes into the radiator, and half of the front of the truck bolts to the radiator support, hood, grille, etc. The nuts on two of the other bolts are obstructed by the welded-in sleeves that stop two other bolts from crushing the frame, so you can only get at them by reaching in with the open end of a wrench. 3/4" fine thread, t orque spec is 200-240 lb-ft, the nuts are distorted thread, and there’s almost no way to hold the wrench on the nut, especially when you’re stretching your wrench smashing that much torque against the open end of it. I’m sure some EIT was super proud of that bracket, but there would’ve been a hell of a lot fewer techs swearing at him if he’d just moved those two sleeves and bolt holes a half inch further out so you could get a socket onto the nuts . And the reason I had to pull the bracket? Because the retaining bolts for the spring pin   were bent and needed to be replaced, but they drop through the spring bracket so you can’t pull them out because the frame sits on top of them.

I get that there are frequently design constraints that the tech is unaware of, and that things are built for quick assembly, not repair. I started out life headed into engineering, and only dropped out because I ran out of money. So I'm seen both sides of the tech vs engineer debacle.  I plan on going back once I’ve dug myself out of this mountain of student debt. B ut it really doesn’t say much for engineers when a quick leaf-spring change takes the better part of the day because you had to blow the whole truck apart because you couldn’t get at the fasteners, and half of the fasteners that you can get at are just a massive pain in the ass to undo, when with a touch more planning, it wouldn't have been that big a problem. 

facw > jimz 01/08/2019 at 12:01

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Last year, I read Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire, which was an interesting, if depressing, look at the topic. It basically argued that this willingness to believe and distrust for intellectual authority has been a key component of the American psyche for our nation’s entire existence.

https://www.amazon.com/Fantasyland-America-Haywire-500-Year-History/dp/B07576XJMV

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 12:35

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You just have to look up ucc 1-308-1-1-103 and the Rome Statute, duh

/s

jimz > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 01/08/2019 at 12:43

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But it really doesn’t sa y much for engineers

see, it’s this painting with a broad brush that pisses me off.  The idea that what someone at one company did on one product somehow means we’re all incompetent.  I’ve never said people with the title of “engineer” haven’t made poor/shortsighted decisions.  But the actions of a few don’t justify the incessant shitting all over the profession.  It’s like the squawking about the Ranger’s oil filter location.  So many comments on various sites were little more than “hurr hurr dum enginers amirite” and “why didn’t those idiot engineers just put in a relocation kit?”  Well, because the program wouldn’t let those “idiot engineers” add $20 to the cost of each vehicle!  And yes, I know Billy Bob can bung one together himself in his backyard for $20 worth of parts, but when (not if) the thing fails in 2 months and hoses his engine down with hot oil, he’s SOL. Whereas the company has to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on design and validation to make sure it won’t fail in two months, and if a bad unit does fail they have to pay for the repair. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > DipodomysDeserti 01/08/2019 at 13:20

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My dumbass coworker is one. “You’re sniffling because you had one of the cupcakes yesterday”. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Dusty Ventures 01/08/2019 at 13:21

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Design engineer logic:  Who gives a a fuck about repairs? That’s the mechanics problem. 

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Dusty Ventures 01/08/2019 at 13:27

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Ahhh there’s the one. I was looking for someone to say that. Here we go. The Northstar was first implemented for the 1993 Allante, Eldorado, and Seville, all of which ride on different platforms (V, E, and K, respectively. All three are FWD, but are different platforms- that means all three have different packaging, so the components of each module had to be packed relatively tightly, and most components are shared between the three cars, but mounted differently in each one. So, where would you put the starter motor? There’s not a lot of space in there for it to be mounted under or alongside the engine like most other vehicles. It goes in the vee because there’s no other spot it would work, given the somewhat module architecture GM used for these vehicles.

Plus, changing the starter motor isn’t even that hard. People on Cadillac forums have done it as quickly as 45 minutes. The main problem with the starter is not the location, but in my opinion that it requires replacement more than once in a vehicle’s life, so the gripe should be with the people who designed the starter, not the engineers who put it where it is.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > jimz 01/08/2019 at 14:36

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That’s definitely true. The problem is no one remembers the thousand things that are easy to fix , or the two thousand that aren’t but make sense why they aren’t, just the two or three that are a royal pain in the ass for no clear reason.

It’s funny. I’ve never found the Ranger to have a frustrating oil filter location. My old Jimmy though, which did have it relocated to under the front bumper, was a pain though, because of the tiny little access  door in the bumper that you couldn't get tools through if the filter was on good, which it always was. I'm pretty sure it would've been fine in the normal 4.3 location, too...

ranwhenparked > SteveLehto 01/08/2019 at 19:08

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I recognize that some of them are legitimately dangerous, but, I put the vast majority of sovereign citizen types in the same basket as flat E arthers - namely, entertaining buffoons of the sort that might have once provided amusement for medieval kings.

They can be fun to watch, and sometimes fun to bait to see how much crazy you can draw out of them. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > SteveLehto 01/27/2019 at 21:35

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No, but I saw a guy from the State of Jefferson yesterday at the swap meet. I also saw a microphone that looked like it would go well on your bookcase and thought of you immediately.

Lawprotector > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2019 at 02:23

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1. Federal reserve notes are not dollars. Read article 1 section 10 of us constitution. Twice! It’s very clear nothing but gold or silver coin! Why? Because paper currency can be printed without any controls. Use at your own pearl and risk! Ask Rodger Sherman! I read his books you paper inflation  lovers should too!  

Lawprotector > dumpsterfire! 02/27/2019 at 20:36

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II simply have no respect for people who want to limit others peoples rights. The right to life liberty and property and locamotion  locomotion from place to place is no exception. The Supreme Court of the United States is clear and it’s older caselaw it still holds just because states want to limit our rights doesn’t mean the states are correct just because everyone wants to believe our rights no longer exist does not mean everyone is correct rates are superior in supersede statutes rights or inalienable that means you can’t take them away for me only God can so stop this stupid argument.

Lawprotector > nerd_racing 02/27/2019 at 20:51

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Go ahead! Let tyrants and frauds Limit your rights if you’re stupid enough to give up your rights you’re gonna lose them, You need to understand the belligerent claimant doctorine . .. apparently our forefathers knew it. that’s why they got away from the tyrants in England apparently people who live in the United States now are just plain dumb!! They don’t seem to realize rights have to be preserved and protected but if you all want to believe a bunch of bullshit I guess that’s what you’re going to do then you don’t deserve any rights heck let’s just give them all away!

Who cares that our forefathers and  many other people fought and died for our freedom’s will just let people take them all away! Hey I’ll believe anything my government tells me on the Internet I’m an idiot!!

Lawprotector > SteveLehto 02/27/2019 at 20:57

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Steve is this really just a waste of time you people think because everybody thinks a rights don’t exist that it doesn’t exist seriously you believe you or anyone can take away my liberties?? This game is been going on for thousands of years people try to control other people that’s where forefathers wrote the constitution figure it out is this really just a waste of time you people think because everybody thinks a right   doesn’t exist that it doesn’t exist seriously you believe you can take away my liberties or the Supreme Court can take them away that’s not how this works... inalienable !!! What does that mean??? 

Lawprotector > nerd_racing 02/27/2019 at 20:59

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You obviously don’t understand what the word operate and driver means it’s about commercial capacity the right  to travel is in alienable end of discussion...

nerd_racing > Lawprotector 02/28/2019 at 06:58

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So where is your specific written proof with references? Cite your source and display the wording.

Light him up Steve! 

Lawprotector > nerd_racing 02/28/2019 at 10:30

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Willians v Fears, - right to travel, I quoted it ? Did moderater erase it? Miller v US, — rights are superior ans supercede statutes... Miranda v Arizona, the list is verbose! People just love to destroy rights. Why? Why why? do you people trample on the sacred blood of our forefathers ? Why are freedoms so scary ?why are people  tyrant lovers?? Its endoctrination? Stockholm syndrome?

Lawprotector > nerd_racing 02/28/2019 at 10:33

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Your dummies! All those definitions apply to commercial carriers! I have the original statutes - 1930s photos of it -  that have non commercial persons as excluded from being operators!!!!!! Omg you people are ignorant robots!

nerd_racing > Lawprotector 02/28/2019 at 11:42

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post the photos.

SteveLehto > Lawprotector 03/16/2019 at 22:21

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Ha ha ha. Supreme Court has never said it. You need the DL.

Elhigh > Lawprotector 07/24/2019 at 12:04

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Driving is not a right. Using a vehicle on the public roads is not a right. You can legally own a vehicle without a license and you can use it without a license, but you cannot use it on public roads.

There’s a reason the driver’s license is also called a permit.

Elhigh > Lawprotector 07/24/2019 at 12:16

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Williams vs. Fears appears to be more about taxation and doesn’t speak to the operation of motor vehicles at all - hardly surprising, since it dates to 1900. I’m not sure how it’s relevant since it addresses people going from one place to another and whether that shall be permitted - and it shall - but isn’t about how they go about it.

As to the others, I think you’re ranting.

The Driver’s license requirement isn’t about stepping on your rights, it’s about you proving that you can be trusted to exercise them responsibly. You have to pass a test on how to use the roads safely , you have to show that you are who you say you are, and ideally pass a quick examination that you know how to use a car.

This all sounds very practical and commonsense to me. Is any of this in any way an infringement on your rights? I suppose you could make the argument that it does, in that you are not permitted to exercise your right to travel however you like, but if you were to do so without first legally obtaining a permit then you would be stepping on others’ rights to use the roads with a reasonable expectation of competence and responsible operation from other drivers. It really isn’t about just your rights, it’s about everyone’s, and in the discussion of rights if you’re only going to focus on yours and not everyone’s then you’re going to lose.

rearwheelhorse > SteveLehto 05/18/2020 at 12:46

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Just now realized Lehto left us on Jalopnik too. Read an old article with his comments and remembered how cool this guy is. Smashed that subscribe button on youtube.