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"Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness" (long-voyager-2nd-edition)
09/26/2018 at 06:55 • Filed to: Rant

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But this crap gets me absolutely over the top:

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If a child doesn’t do their work, why are schools passing them?

What kind of workforce are these kids going to amount to?

Who thinks this is a good idea? And why?

I try to teach my kids that life is hard and succeeding takes a lot of hard work, meanwhile the school system teaches them it’s ok to glide through life.

DISCUSSION (21)

InFierority Complex > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:09

Apparently t he y’re allowed to give F and failures, though. Even 50% is still fail ing in any grading I’ve ever seen.

I guess you could make the percentages work for you if yo decided not to turn something in and s ti ll get partial credit?

InFierority Complex > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:09

Double post

pip bip - choose Corrour > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:09

i agree, if the child fails to hand in the work then they get a zero.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:16

This was a big issue in our board as well here...technically there was nothing preventing teachers from failing kids (for example to the point they would have to repeat a year if the kid was legitimately refusing to pass in work, not doing their assignments, etc), but it was seen as a very taboo thing to do from the Board’s / Head Office’s perspective ...i.e. people were so worried about the social-emotional side - “Oh, you’ll hurt their self esteem, you’ll be removing them from their known social group if they have to repeat a year” etc.....very stupid....it was a huge thing in the news here awhile back.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:21

I decided to look for work in the private sector when the university decided not to punish a student I caught cheating on one of my exams. I spoke with one of my colleagues on the disciplinary committee about what happened. The kid used the magic words,”I’ll sue the school.”

If the administration wasn’t willing to back me when I gave the kid an F on the exam, then I didn’t think I needed to be part of the program. I left the university a couple of months later.

vondon302 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:26

We need a Marshall plan for our school system. My wife's a teacher and honestly I don't know how she does it.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars
09/26/2018 at 07:27

Technically the kids and their parents are the ones removing them from their “social group”, as they are the ones who allowed the kid to fail.

But that would require them to take responsibility for their actions and we can’t have that.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > vondon302
09/26/2018 at 07:29

I honestly feel sorry for the teachers these days.

They contend with crappy children , worse parents, and can take no action to remedy situations themselves without the fear of severe repercussions.

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:32

Yup.....bureaucracy !

vondon302 > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:51

Yup pretty much sums it up. She was pretty motivated when she started but once they mandated teaching to the test it just wore her down. She's still really good with the kids but the bureaucracy of teaching is a nightmare.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:51

On the other hand, too much parental involvement in the “success” of the children is just as bad. We watched in frustration as some of the other parents went overboard while “helping” their children get their homework done and turned in. Now that they are all in high school, the tides have changed. Those straight-A students are failing because they never learned the hard lessons about responsibility and getting their own work done. It’s one of the reasons we advanced our son a year early. He still struggles to get some things turned in on time, but he’s taken responsibility for his own success and failures. I give him incentives to score high, but he punishes himself when he doesn’t meet his (and our) expectations. It’s a hard lesson to learn, but it’s essential to success as an adult.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 07:56

She was fired because parents expect their kid to pass. If the kid doesn’t pass then the teacher must’ve been doing something wrong or been incompetent or not gotten on with the kid...

After all, it could never be the fault of the kid...or the parent. Never. Not ever.

As I overheard at the school some months back from one of two fellow parents taking about their children's lacklustre mid year reports...”and I said to her, you’ve had him for six months now so why can’t he read?”.

If nothing else, be assurred that s tupid people are not solely a North American problem...

E90M3 > InFierority Complex
09/26/2018 at 07:56

Even 50% is still failing in any grading I’ve ever seen.

Apart from college. I got a 45 in Physical Chemistry II and got a solid C.

WRXforScience > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 08:41

Schools and Principals are evaluated on things like graduation rates, so they have a vested interest in passing kids. Teachers are evaluated by those Principals and if they fail kids it is seen as their failure as well.

My school has had a 100% graduation rate for the last 3 years. 3-5% of students should fail based on their performance, attendance, and abilities. If I “fail” a senior , they are pulled from my class a couple of weeks before the end of the school year and complete “all” the required work through an online “credit recovery” program.

I have had students in the past who refused to do any work because they knew they wouldn’t be failed, and they were right.

3point8isgreat > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 08:42

Reminds me of a policy I heard of at the schools by where I live. Something to the effect of teacher’s aren’t allowed to punish students for anything, because they have to maintain positivity all the time.

Monkey B > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 08:48

“passing” grades = more budget. This country is controlled by the morally bankrupt when there’s a dollar to be gained.

WilliamsSW > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 08:52

Does the school board think they’re doing these kids a favor?

They’re setting them up for failure once they leave school. Gross negligence is what I’d call it.

nermal > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 09:28

This is the same mentality that lead to the school shooting in FL earlier this year.

The school administration wants to make it look like everything is just peachy and they are doing a great job, so they don’t report poor performance or behavioral issues. Brushing things under the rug in this manner is wayyyyy easier than dealing with the actual issues at hand.

Short term, this makes the school look good. No failing students, no behavioral issues, yay! Long term, you end up with at worst kids that are dead, next worst kids that are just dumb.

Stapleface > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
09/26/2018 at 09:41

Yeah, I read this earlier and had a similar reaction to it.

A former coworker of mine was a 1st grade teacher. He was also the most patient man I’ve ever known. He could have someone cursing and spitting venom in his face and he never so much as raised his voice. He took his job as an educator very seriously.

On average, he recommended one kid a year to be repeat the grade . In the 20+ years he taught, not a single parent allowed their kid to be held back, even though he knew these kids just weren’t ready . Most of these kids continued to struggle the entire time they were in that school because the parents wouldn’t allow their children to get the help they needed.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > nermal
09/26/2018 at 10:05

I feel this behavior greatly impacts the gain in school shootings, workplace shootings, etc as these kids/people don’t know how to accept failure and see it as a learning point.

Then again, that’s a greater issue that no one actually wants to deal with.

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > WilliamsSW
09/26/2018 at 10:08

This is how I see it as well.