Today's Car Quiz (We have a winner!)

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 09/21/2018 at 12:05 • Filed to: car quiz

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I think this one may be a bit harder than yesterday’s, though there is one apparently distinctive feature that could help. Interestingly, a car by this manufactu rer had a role in a very important film. If somebody comes up with the car, I’ll let you know about the film, unless somebody comes up with all of it.

Update: RamblinRover has been working hard at it, but he hasn’t cracked the case yet. So here’s a hint: Beach Boys.

Note: I have blurred out the manufacturer’s name on the hubcaps. If you want to see the full-size picture, click on the photo to enlarge it, then right-click and open it in a new tab or window.

Winner : I’m not sure if the winner is RamblinRover or fintail, so they get a share of the prize purse.

This is a Haynes “Fourdore” Roadster. Haynes built cars in Kokomo, Indiana from 1905-1924. The marque holds a place in movie history because a 1912 Haynes 50-60 Model Y Touring Car appeared in the 1915 film   !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ( also known as A Grass Sandwich ), the earliest extant hardcore pornographic movie shot in the US.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 10:58

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there is one apparently distinctive feature that could help

The louver pattern and extent of the top hood sheet down the sides is very unusual, but I haven’t nailed it down yet. There is likely something else you were thinking of, though.

facw > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 11:01

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A spare tire that’s just a spare tire (and maybe a tube), but doesn’t have a wheel seems like a huge pain in the ass.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 11:02

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There is.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 11:08

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It’s not a Climber, is it?

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 11:11

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Nope. The distinctive feature I’m talking about is the “baby  bump” on the back end.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 11:18

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Unusual, but not unheard of. In that same category, the greasing access hole through the running board side.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 11:19

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You can see why I considered the Climber.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 11:21

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Who manufactured the Climber?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 11:26

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climber_Motor_Company

See also:

https://www.imcdb.org/v692018.html

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 11:43

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I updated the post with a hint.

fintail > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 11:50

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When I viewed the bigly image, I could see a big hint, so I won’t say more :)

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 11:53

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The louvers are nearly a perfect match to a Hayn es of 1919, but pretty sure it isn’t.

Or is it?

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 11:54

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It is!

ttyymmnn > fintail 09/21/2018 at 11:55

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Tell me what you think it is, and you’ll be the winner, since you came in a couple of minutes ahead of RamblinRover.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 11:57

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Haynes made several very sexy cars:

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > facw 09/21/2018 at 12:04

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It reflects a time in which you could get a relatively light tire on and off with a prybar (which everybody had), and top up with a bicycle pump (which more people had, as cars were fewer, roads sucked, and people had to rely on bikes). Also, the tires were small, so they filled fast with a hand pump. In contrast, most cars had combined wheel and hub, so swapping the wheel would mean getting greasy as well as dirty. I don’t think modern bolt-on/off wheel practice was a thing except for the few manufacturers of heavy duty vehicles and some carmakers with steel disc wheels.

I bet a ~1920 car can have the tire swapped in not that much more time than a modern change by somebody who knows what they’re doing... or works in a bike shop.

facw > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 12:08

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I mean it’s true that I can take off the tire on my bike, swap in a tube, and put it back on without too much difficulty, but then I don’t exactly have room for a spare tire, let alone a spare wheel.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 12:10

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Indeed.

Chariotoflove > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:18

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Fun fact:  when the Beach Boys wrote Kokomo, they didn’t know there was a real town called that.  They thought they’d just made it up.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:19

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One thing I realized while I was trying to ID brands by the louver pattern is that the Templar had no hood louvers. None. This is something so extremely odd that I will file it away, along with the Maltese Cross logo in relief on the radiator, so that I will never fail to identify one if I see it.

ttyymmnn > Chariotoflove 09/21/2018 at 12:21

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I did not know that.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:21

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Also, earlier Haynes models share a close resemblance to the Cole:

The easiest distinction being that the whole front of the Haynes is a frustrum - there’s no straight section of the hood then bulge at the firewall.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:32

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Incidental discovery - the Beardmore taxi of the 20s :

A goony-looking piece of hardware if I’ve ever seen one.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 12:34

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Do you mean frustum ? That’s an entirely new word for me. Sounds more like a Sniglet. I would imagine that such construction would be considerably more time consuming, though the result is much more attractive.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 12:34

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You keep this up and you’re going to steal all of my material!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:37

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A pologies, yes, frustum.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 12:38

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I started typing it your way  and my computer wouldn’t let me. But that’s not a definitive ruling, so I looked it up. Interesting word. Thanks.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:40

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Here’s a picture of a vehicle which, unlike the Beardmore, appears to exist only in pictures which are few and far between - the Premier 656 Cloverleaf Roadster of 1916:

The two-seater roadster wasn’t any shorter:

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:45

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If creating such a shape in a solid modeling program, it’s usually referred to as a loft, because the process of “lofting” from one profile to another is used . /moreuselessinfo

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 12:48

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More “ things that sound insane , because era of experimentation”:

The first was by a “Norwegian engineer” and used two three-cylinder radial engines on the rear axle, one powering each wheel.

The second was by James Yeikichi Sakuyama, for years an engine designer at Indianapolis, with a V-3 engine, gearbox and cast grid steam generator.

fintail > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 13:12

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Ramblin Rover can have it :)

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/21/2018 at 13:14

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I was thinking it was a Cole before I zoomed in on the hubcap.  Nice catch.

ttyymmnn > fintail 09/21/2018 at 13:46

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So, what was the big hint you saw?

fintail > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 13:48

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hubcap, specifically at rear

ttyymmnn > fintail 09/21/2018 at 13:54

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You must have looked at it before I blurred it out. I didn’t think to do that at first. I will be more careful next time!

facw > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 16:11

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Torch did a story on that particular bit of cinema:

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

ttyymmnn > facw 09/21/2018 at 16:14

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The film is public domain. You can watch it in its bawdy entirety on Wikipedia. Don’t ask me how I knew that....

fintail > ttyymmnn 09/21/2018 at 22:11

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I feel like I am cheating if I do that, so I refrained from commenting further.

Cars of this era are much more difficult than ones a decade later, at least for me.

ttyymmnn > fintail 09/21/2018 at 23:45

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Well, I know nothing about cars of this era. So I’m learning here.

fintail > ttyymmnn 09/22/2018 at 11:22

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It gets a lot easier around 1930 - the herd had thinned a bit, and cars started developing corporate design themes - easy to tell a Ford from a GM from a Mopar from independents by the early 30s just from a side profile with no grille or emblems visible . In the 20s, the clue is often just a unique body or radiator shell, many everyday cars were very similar.