2019 Ford Edge ST starts at $41,200

"LJ909" (lj909) 09/20/2018 at 10:52 • Filed to: Ford, Ford Edge ST

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The Edge got redesigned for 2019, but the big news is the new ST trim to satisfy peoples insatiable stupid crossover performance needs.

Starting at $41,200, the ST comes standard with the 2.7 liter turbo V6 (with start stop tech) putting out a not too shabby 335 horses and a what the hell torque rating of 380 ft/lbs of torque through an AWD system though an 8 speed auto. It also comes with a sport mode with paddle shiffters. It actually changes engine response, changes the cluster and has the terrible, terrible trend of enhancing engine sound, aka pumping engine noise into the cabin artificially, which Ford describes as: enhanced active noise control provides a more engaging sound in the cabin . Sad.

There are 6 exterior color choices, 2 of which are extra: a $395 Ruby Red metallic and a $595 White Platinum, which can be described as the color of choice for upper middle class seniors on their crossovers. Surprisingly, the good looking blue hue that the ST debuted in, called Ford Performance Blue, isn’t an extra charge option.

There’s one option package available on this trim, a $5,585 401A package that mainly adds:

Voice-Activated Touchscreen Navigation System

Rear Heated and Cooled Seats

Enhanced Active Park Assist

Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist+™

Front 180-Degree Camera with Split View and Washer

I added this as well. There are 3 exterior option packages as well. The first is an $895 convenience package that includes:

110V/150W AC Power Outlet

Perimeter Alarm

Hands-Free, Foot-Activated Liftgate

Remote Start System

Universal Garage Door Opener (UGDO)

Wireless Charging Pad

The next is a new one for the Edge for 2019. Consisting of Ford’s new driver aid suite called Co-Piolot 360 Assist, which comes comes with adaptive cruise control with stop and go and lane centering;evasive steering assist; pre collision assist with auto braking; and rear camera, this package is $795 and also includes in dash nav with touch screen and Sirus XM Traffic

The last package is the ST Performance Brake package. A not cheap $2,695 gets you:

21-inch Premium Gloss Black-Painted Aluminum Wheels

Front and Rear Vented Disc Brakes with Unique Front Rotors (13.6-inch)

Brake Calipers – Painted Colorado Red

Brushless Radiator Cooling Fan

Performance Brake Pads

Summer Only Tires

Vented Brake Shields

Also of note here is the fact that selecting the summer tires deletes the spare and replaces it with an inflation kit with sealant. You cant select all 3 of these either. Selecting the Convenience or Co Pilot assist package requires removing the 401A package for some reason. So I just selected the brake package.

Interior packages are only 2: a cargo accessory package for $290 with a cargo mat and cover and a rear bumper protector and a $495 cold weather package that includes front and rear floor liners, a heated steering wheel and a windshield wiper de-icer.

There are 2 wheel design options as well. A standard 20 in aluminum wheel and a 21 inch wheel that comes with the performance brake package.

Honestly the car comes pretty loaded with this pretty much being the king of the Edge line hill. It even comes with a pano roof. The big main stand alone option is a $1,995 rear seat entertainment system that I honestly don’t understand why it keeps being offered.

All in, you’re looking at around $50 large for a loaded ST, maybe a little more depending on which options you get. That’s with nearly 9 grand in options. A bare bones no options ST is just over $42 grand. That’s a big difference. I’m honestly not sure who this is for, but it competes with the Germans? I guess? I don’t know. But it’ll be a great used buy.

The Dummy Gummy > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 11:47

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That’s a lot of coin for a Ford. I can’t get over how expensive cars have gotten. Who can afford a new car anymore? 

LJ909 > The Dummy Gummy 09/20/2018 at 11:49

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Not many. Shitty long term help make it seem that way though.

Wacko > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 11:49

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I think you mean Ford Mustang Edge ST starts at 41200$

LJ909 > Wacko 09/20/2018 at 11:52

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I hope to god not.

Wacko > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 11:57

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they already weigh about the same, so...

and if the eclipse is now a CUV why not mustang, wait for that sweet CUV boost in sales

LJ909 > Wacko 09/20/2018 at 11:59

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They’d be a fool to make such a move. But with how things have been, this actually doesn’t sound so far fetched. 

Wacko > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 12:08

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not anymore, if someone would of made this joke last year it wouldn’t work.

Textured Soy Protein > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 12:14

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I checked out an Edge Sport last year that is now the Edge ST. It had a nice motor but the variable ratio steering was unpredictable.

LJ909 > Textured Soy Protein 09/20/2018 at 12:22

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Which can be unsettling in a vehicle with a high center of gravity and sporting pretensions.

Textured Soy Protein > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 12:43

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It was generally ok out on the road, but parking or pulling out of a driveway while turning right, it was hard to tell where exactly the front wheels were pointing in relation to steering wheel movement 

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 12:43

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They already tried to stick the Mach 1 name on a “Mustang inspired” electric crossover.

Wacko > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 09/20/2018 at 13:03

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what do you mean tried, they gave up on that???

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > Wacko 09/20/2018 at 13:29

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A few weeks ago they said they were no longer going to use the Mach 1 name for it.

LJ909 > Textured Soy Protein 09/20/2018 at 14:27

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That alone would make me not want to buy it.

LJ909 > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 09/20/2018 at 14:33

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This is correct. I think it was because of backlash.

Gerry197 > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 15:09

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That same 2.7L motor has 400 ft-lbs in the F150 and can push a gigantic F150 Supercrew 4x4 from 0-60 in 5.7 seconds.

I’m curious to what the ST will do .  

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/20/2018 at 15:11

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That’s cheaper than loaded Explorers and there are a lot of those running around.

That’s not to mention that the average selling price of a new F150 is $47,000, which is the best selling vehicle in North America.

LJ909 > Gerry197 09/20/2018 at 15:44

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Could be about the same numbers. The Edge is notoriously heavy and this thing is almost 4800 lbs. So that 335 horses is really like 280. 

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/20/2018 at 18:20

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Just because people have them, do esn’t mean people can afford them. 

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/20/2018 at 18:31

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They can afford, hence they are driving them.

Unless you want to apply that to everyone who buys any car over $35,000 who has a loan over 5 years?

That’s pretty much the majority of the auto market, I wouldn’t pick and choose based on any make or model of car.  The average price of a new car right now is $34,000.  

Also, the number 1 model of vehicle owned by the wealthy is the F150.

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/20/2018 at 19:02

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If you need a car loan longer than 60 months, you can’t afford this car.

I was simply saying that most American’s can not afford this car. Median household income is $61k in 2017. Can you buy this car? Sure. Can you afford it? Not without going in serious debt for a depreciating asset. If you are buying this car on that type of salary, you’re going to be severely fucked come retirement time, unless you get some windfall from somewhere.

Care to share that wealthy stat? That’s the first I’ve ever heard that one.

I didn’t single out Ford... I literally said ‘ I can’t get over how expensive cars have gotten.’; meaning all cars on the market.

boxrocket > Gerry197 09/20/2018 at 19:41

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Difference of RWD-based versus FWD-based, perhaps? Less room for exhaust, and a less-robust transmission? I wonder how much this has in common with the Fusion Sport/MKZ and Continental drivetrains.

boxrocket > Textured Soy Protein 09/20/2018 at 19:42

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The ST is significantly reworked, though, not just an appearance package with bigger wheels. Probably worth a revisit.

Textured Soy Protein > boxrocket 09/20/2018 at 20:12

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It’s upgraded over the Edge Sport but related. The Sport had the 2.7TT motor, etc. The ST hops it up some more. The variable steering was standard on the Sport. I can’t find mention of it in the Edge ST specs on the Ford website, but it’s also not mentioned in the Edge Sport specs on the website.

When ford introduced the variable steering on the 2016 Edge Sport, the Edge had just been refreshed for 2015, so Motor Trend mentioned the difference in this article . Their initial feedback on it was similar low-speed weirdness to what I experienced on my test drive. They did also say you get used to it over time. I dunno. 

Textured Soy Protein > LJ909 09/20/2018 at 20:30

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Supposedly you get used to it over time. I didn’t get used to it on my short test drive.

Overall I felt like it was not very premium, more like a fully loaded mainstream-brand car, which it is. Very nice powertrain. Chassis was competent and comfy but not overtly sporty. We’ll see how much different the ST is over the Sport.

As for your comment on what it’s competing against, the Edge is bigger than the small/medium luxury SUVs out there like the X3, GLC, Q5, NX, etc. Although those are creeping up in size to almost get close to traditional midsizers like the Edge, Murano, Santa Fe, etc. As for pricing, if you look at luxury brand models with similar power and not too much smaller ...

Audi SQ5 - $54,300
BMW X3 M40i - $54,650
Mercedes GLC43 AMG - $56,250
Jaguar F-Pace 35T - $47,775
Porsche Macan GTS - $68,900
Volvo XC60 T6 - $44,900

Objectively is the Edge as nice as these? Nope. But aside from the surprisingly low starting prices of the F-Pace and XC60 trims with similar power, it’s also a lot cheaper. 

LJ909 > Textured Soy Protein 09/21/2018 at 00:15

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Yea I couldn’t get used to something like that. I find that unsettling.

It’s impressive though. We’ll have to see what the press says. It’s on par with the luxury makes. But they aren't crosshopping this thing agasint them.  If that was the case than this engine and tuning should have gone to a sporty Nautilus variant for Lincoln. 

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/21/2018 at 07:18

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Why 60 months, do you have any reason why 60 months is the standard for affordability? No other criteria like down payment, depreciation, APR of the loan?

What is your criteria for “affordability” then? A percentage of annual income to X for example?

Here is one of many who covered that stat:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4052329-wealthy-americans-favorite-car-ford-fminus-150-pickup-truck

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/21/2018 at 08:28

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A seeking alpha with no sources linked to the page... ok, sure that qualifies .

I was mostly leaning on the fact that the average income is almost the same as the price of a fully loaded Edge. But if you need to go to 72month loan because you can’t afford a 60month loan payments (which is what people are doing), you can’t afford the car. https://www.springfieldnewssun.com/business/economy/buyers-stretch-out-car-loans-record-lengths-lower-monthly-bills/kq47R5kKht9XJFyVjcLeuO/

What is your criteria for “affordability” then? A percentage of annual income to X for example?

Do you honestly think a $40k income on $60k income is affordable? You’re grilling me about affordability, but I don’t think you know what affordability is.

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/21/2018 at 12:43

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That was one of many regarding that stat, just google it if you wish, unless you think it isn’t factual for some reason?

But here is another one: http://time.com/money/4676840/what-the-richest-americans-are-driving-now/

I’m not grilling you, I’m asking your criteria because you left that out, so many variables to consider to what is affordable for anybody.

I have a friend you lives at home, pays no bills, makes $45,000 a year and bought a $35,000 car. He can easily afford it. Should he? That’s an entirely different question. I think he should fine a women, get married and buy his own house before you buys that brand new F86, but that’s my opinion.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > LJ909 09/21/2018 at 14:04

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cp

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/21/2018 at 14:59

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I have a friend you lives at home, pays no bills, makes $45,000 a year and bought a $35,000 car. He can easily afford it.

If he wants to retire with a decent life style or moves out , no... he can’t. There is no single metric, like you said, to determine affordability. But if your car is 75% of what you make, that is a pretty obvious case of it not being affordable .

They say your mortgage expenses shouldn’t exceed 35% of your income. A house is an appreciating asset, I’d have to imagine a car should be in the 10-15% region, at max. Will people do that? No because a lot of people live beyond their means and want to work until their dead.

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/21/2018 at 15:07

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What you make in a year yes, what he makes in 5 years, no. He has a 5 year loan and put 20% down.  

He isn’t paying rent, he isn’t paying groceries, I would be surprised if he is paying any bill other then his cellphone and misc entertainment.  He definitely has retirement/401K and puts away savings.  

So using my buddies example, if he bought a cheap beater car but had to pay rent, utilities Etc. that would easily surpass his car payment, but that makes his situation more affordable in your opinion?

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/21/2018 at 15:43

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if he bought a cheap beater car but had to pay rent, utilities Etc. that would easily surpass his car payment

No it wouldn’t.

But if you think that’s wise use of your money , that’s your prerogative . To me and almost any financial adviser or anyone with a sense of money, $35 k car on a $45 k salary is not affordable unless you want to live in your parents basement for the rest of your life.

Sounds like your buddy doesn’t want to ever move out, honestly.

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/21/2018 at 15:56

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No it wouldn’t?

His car payment is less than $500 a month. Cheapest rent in San Diego county would be $1,3 00 for something tiny , that’s not including utilities. Not sure where you live, but where can you rent a place and utilities for $500???

For the rest of his l ife? Its a 5 year loan.

Probably the case he will live there forever , lots of older guys still acting they are in their 20s, arrested development I guess you can call it.  

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/21/2018 at 20:42

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You’re mixing up what you can pay for with what you can afford. Feel free to make terrible financial decision because you think you’re right .

You’re friend is lying about something or you’re leaving something out, if he bought a $35k car and is paying under $500, but that’s here nor there. To get sub $500 the loan would be 0.0% and even then he’d be at $499.

https://www.moneyunder30.com/car-affordability-calculator

MoneyUnder30 has his affordability is at ~$16k

https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/most-americans-cant-afford-a-new-car-study-finds-062817.html

Consumer affairs says his payment should be no more than $375 after the 20% down for a four year loan (if you extend to a 5yr loan , that’s $300).

But I’m wrong. I concede because this back and forth is going nowhere fast.

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/21/2018 at 21:31

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No, I think you are the one making assumptions on other people’s financial decisions. At what level is correct?

Maybe no one should own cars, everyone should take public transportation or at the most stripped out Toyota Corollas, that’s all people really need right? So what if they want to live in a small house and own a big car or vice versa. In the end does it matter if they can “pay” for it and saving for retirement?

You missed one detail I mentioned earlier, I said he put down 20%. H is APR is pretty low, something like 1.9% because he has great credit (I ran his credit) . So yes, he is indeed paying under $500 a month.

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/21/2018 at 21:49

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Like I said you’re right. Enjoy retiring with mom and pops when you’re 80, hope they live to 100+ to care for you or your friend.

Maybe no one should own cars, everyone should take public transportation or at the most stripped out Toyota Corollas, that’s all people really need right?

Nope, didn’t say that but project stupidity all you want.

So what if they want to live in a small house and own a big car or vice versa. In the end does it matter if they can “pay” for it and saving for retirement?

You’re going to be fucked in retirement if your saving that little. Talk to any financial advisor/person with financial sense.

Didn’t miss 20% down, $35k car in cali is $37,625 after taxes; which is $30,100 after down payment. $30.1k @1.9% over 60 months is $525 a month. If you’re saying he’s at $35k all in, then yea I guess you’re at $490. But again anyone with an ounce of financial sense would know this is a dumb idea. Most people I know don’t even break $350 on double his salary in a relatively LCOL area.

Good luck. I’m out. This is just silly at this point.

Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/21/2018 at 22:14

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The words of a guy who realized he couldn’t argue his point.

Yup, the car was 35K out the door, he put $7000 down, he financed $28,000.

Please don’t categorize me with my friend. That’s what I is think is your issue, you make general assumptions about people.

But since you brought it up, I’m 44 years old, retired business owner but currently do military software consulting for fun, I own my home with my wife who is retired Coast Guard and works as a General Practitioner. Don’t worry about me, I think I will be just fine.

I do agree with you one one thing, I hope everyone gets to live long healthy lives, that’s always good.

The Dummy Gummy > Gerry197 09/21/2018 at 23:00

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Gerry197 > The Dummy Gummy 09/21/2018 at 23:11

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Was that so hard?