So the new "Dynamic Force" V6 Engine in the New Camry Makes 301 Horsepower

"way2blu does a rev update" (way2blu)
09/18/2018 at 16:52 • Filed to: Beige and Dented, Toyota MR2, Toyota Camry, Camry Dent, Engine Swaps, WAY2BLU

The 2GR family of V6 engines has fairly well-documented aftermarket support for swaps into 2nd-Generation Toyota MR2s. The latest one is more than 35% thermally efficient, which is pretty cool too.

I know what I need to do.

DISCUSSION (20)

MUGENJIBZ > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 16:58

My younger brother owns and regularly tracks a 93 MR2 with a 2007 RX350 motor in it. The car is an absolute animal, but (if I understand correctly) the swap is an absolute nightmare to complete. One of the previous owners of my brother’s car had the swap done, and it cost somewhere in the range of 15k?

Currently the car is an absolute Frankenstein: 07 RX350 2GR, 07 Rav4 V6 ECU with Frankenstein software, 93 JDM MR2 Turbo trans.

It does keep pace till about 110 mph with my 2016 Cayman GTS (despite being gearing and traction limited), so that’s definitely worth mentioning.

10/10, would buy again.

bhtooefr > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 17:01

The GR family isn’t Dynamic Force , FWIW.

The V30A-FTS 3.0 turbo as used in the Lexus LS 500 is the only V6 Dynamic Force engine that I’m aware of (although not carrying that branding because Lexus).

way2blu does a rev update > bhtooefr
09/18/2018 at 17:10

My bad, Toyota’s catchy name for its tech must have spilled over from the other engine options...

The 301-hp V6 is the 2GR-FKS, and Wikipedia makes no mention of “Dynamic Force” in the description. Good catch!

way2blu does a rev update > MUGENJIBZ
09/18/2018 at 17:17

Maybe the Camry’s packaging for the 2GR will be more manageable?

The real deciding factor is the price of the alternative, an EV conversion. There’s a shop local to me that could build a 240hp/350tq full swap for around the same price you mentioned for the 2GR.

I like the part about keeping pace with a Cayman GTS though...

MUGENJIBZ > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 17:23

I am not sure if the packaging from the donor car is really the issue.

I am most definitely NOT the best person to ask about the technical specifics of the swap, but my understanding is that the wiring and getting all of the details to work together was the biggest difficulty. My brother has owned his car since 2015 and it has needed constant fine-tuning and adjustments to get it running right. For example, fuel trims have been a constant issue, even with custom/optimized ECU software. Another problem, likely related to what I just mentioned, was an optimized intake setup. There are definitely solutions to the above, and other, problems out there...but just keep in mind that the cost adds up quickly. The one thing we did right was buy the car pre-swapped...we paid 9k for a car with a clean shell, no accident history and a 15k swap completed by a previous owner.

It definitely has the performance, but keep in mind the Cayman GTS has notoriously long gearing and “only” 340 hp. My Cayman hits 84 mph in 2nd, 114 mph in 3rd...The MR2 literally hits HALF those speeds in those respective gears. She’s all done at 140ish MPH by gearing...the Cayman will continue to 180 mph.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 17:50

What you need to do is take an MR2 and put a D orito in it.

Yes, a DORITO.

Why? Because the 13B weighs 247lbs dressed . That’s it. The 4AGE weighs nearly 400lbs . Yep. Instant weight savings of about 150lbs, in the back . Add to this, you can use a Star Rotary (13B Renesis built for single make race series with sealed engines.) Which will give you around 260HP on pump gas, out of the box.

way2blu does a rev update > MUGENJIBZ
09/18/2018 at 17:59

My MR2 tops out at 120 with the super short gearing on the base engine, I’d probably need the Turbo gearbox anyway for the swap. My concern if more acceleration than top speed since my main realm of hoonage for the car is autocross :D

MUGENJIBZ > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 18:03

Makes sense. My brother has only recently (this year) transitioned to more HPDE over autocross...for the last 2 years, the car has done a lot of autocross (and quite successfully). Great choice of car for that purpose.

Please don’t misunderstand me though...I do not want to deter you from a 2GR MR2...they are absolutely wonderful, and I suspect a fai r bit faster and more robust than a comparable 1MZ/3VZ car...just make sure you got the cash saved up for unexpected expenses!

way2blu does a rev update > MUGENJIBZ
09/18/2018 at 18:11

I’m definitely still interested in a 2GR, probably will have to budget pretty extensively for either swap.

That’s good to hear it’s good with autocross, should be fun to compete with 2x the stock torque output :)

MUGENJIBZ > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 18:18

Yes, its definitely a hoot to drive. The car is running 17x9 5Zigen FN10RC wheels all around with Hankook RS3 rubber...it definitely sticks.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 20:21

That EV conversion place - is that EV West or something?

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 21:01

I’ve been planning mine for a year now. Hopefully gonna finally start turning wrenches and finding a donor car after the Skyline is on the road.

sony1492 > way2blu does a rev update
09/18/2018 at 22:33

This would be very good.

way2blu does a rev update > BaconSandwich is tasty.
09/18/2018 at 23:22

Yeah EV West sells the NetGain HyPer9 motor, 120hp/173tq. I’d be looking at a dual motor setup through an E153 MR2 Turbo transmission.

The kit for MR2s listed on their site is the old design with a less powerful motor, but it’s the same basic packaging as the new unit.

way2blu does a rev update > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
09/18/2018 at 23:24

I looked up Star Rotary and it looks like they went out of business? Maybe I’m just not googling right.

Can the engine pass emissions out here in the Republic of California? I’d definitely be interested if that’s the case.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
09/19/2018 at 01:00

THIS.

mid-engined, rotary powered.

The only thing better... mid-engined, rotary power unit with an electric drive unit in a Parallel-series hybrid. All the power density of a rotary engine, little of the down-side... the only time it runs, it stays busy generating electricity or propelling the car at speed.

No low-RPM, high-load lugging that starved Renesis engines of oil pressure. no low-RPM fuel inefficiency, no cold re-start flooding. no inertia loss reciprocating. No problem with lack of low-end-torque.

no EPA-cycle issues tailored for piston-engines and stop-and-go driving effects, which would be handled by the electric drive unit.

pip bip - choose Corrour > way2blu does a rev update
09/19/2018 at 06:47

put the supercharged version in

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > way2blu does a rev update
09/19/2018 at 07:28

You think it’s a great idea.........

Then you realize you need to completely rewire the whole car from front to back to get everything to play nice.

There’s a reason my van doesn’t have a 3.6L Pentastar or a 4.0L in it yet.

MM54 > way2blu does a rev update
09/23/2018 at 10:53

As an engineer, tell me more about this 35% thermal efficiency!

way2blu does a rev update > MM54
09/23/2018 at 18:11

I’m pretty much informed by what I read on Jalopnik...

That said, thermal efficiency is a lot better with hybrids, especially with tech like Formula 1's MGU-H that recycles energy from the exhaust. Toyota’s hybrid version of the 2.5 4-cylinder is supposed to be super efficient too.