Fair Warning, the new BMWs could be ///Meh

"way2blu does a rev update" (way2blu) 09/08/2018 at 15:17 • Filed to: BMW, BMW X4 M, BMW X3 M

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Because “TwinPower Turbo” also refers to the single-turbo N55 family of inline-6 engines. There’s every possibility that these SAVs will have the same ~380hp output as the M2, Z4, Supra, and other single-turbo BMWs.

What do all y’all think it will be? Do we get a GLC 63S/Stelvio QF -competitive 500hp? Or will we have to wait for the “X4 M Competition” with a de-tuned M4 motor, a-la the M2 C ompetition?

Say what you will about the X4, but I DIG the ///M-style wing mirrors in this application

BMW hasn’t really revealed whether these are “serious” performance ///M cars, or if they’re just minimum-viable-performance- SAV.

Spanfeller is a twat > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 15:22

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In  this application they better make more than 400

way2blu does a rev update > Spanfeller is a twat 09/08/2018 at 15:27

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Agreed, the 380-ish indicated by the TwinPower name would be a serious letdown. Heck, many of  the other “Fast Letter” SUVs already have 500+ (Alfa Stelvio QF, Maserati Levante Trofeo, //AMG GLC 63 S, Jaguar F-Pace SVR, to name quite a few)

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 15:29

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Oh no it only has 380hp such a shitty car

Spanfeller is a twat > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 15:29

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I mean, the X5M had the M5 engine, so it’s only logical for the X3M to have the F82 engine, the N55 in the M2 is for a smaller (read:cheaper) vehicle and maybe that’s why they thought it was a rightful application 

LongbowMkII > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 15:30

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When was the last new BMW that wasn’t meh? 

Textured Soy Protein > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 15:36

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N55 is no more. All hail the B58.

M2 became M2 C ompetition because the original M2 was the last remaining N55 holdout, but the N55 could no longer pass emissions. S55 from the M3/4 does pass, so M2 + S55 = M2 Competition.

X3 and X4 M40i already have the B58 along with all the other 40i cars .

The Z4/Supra will probably have a B58 turned up a bit, like the M2 had the N55 turned up a bit.

If there’s a “proper M” X3/4 then it will most likely not just be a B58 with yet another B58.

So sayeth I, a non-employee of BMW. 

way2blu does a rev update > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/08/2018 at 15:37

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I think this is the logic here:

less

equals

That’s right, a 380hp X4 M is a whole Toyota MR2 less powerful than a 503 hp GLC 63 S.

QED

way2blu does a rev update > LongbowMkII 09/08/2018 at 15:38

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The i8 looks cool but has meh performance

The M4 has good performance but meh involvement

The X6 M has... meh

I guess you’re right.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 15:42

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It's still faster than most cars.

way2blu does a rev update > Textured Soy Protein 09/08/2018 at 15:42

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I think the X3/4 deserve the S55 at this point. I think BMW peaked with the N54 and their mainstream engines have become more meh since then.

Textured Soy Protein > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 15:49

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If BMW is really planning to make proper M versions of them then yes, they should have something above the B58.

As for peaking with the N54, ehh , the N54 was cool and has lots of tuning headroom but the reliability of the stock turbos is not good.

N55 has less tuning top end capability but still plenty entertaining. I may be biased about the N55 though because my experience with it is with my former 135is with the M exhaust on it, and my 335xi with a bunch of mods.

B58 is enough of a bump up above N55 to be good for what it is but not for a “proper M” car.

The problem with new BMWs isn’t the engines, it’s too much sound deadening, quiet-ass mufflers, and fake engine noises pumped in to the stereo. And no steering feel. And mediocre interior materials. 

way2blu does a rev update > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 09/08/2018 at 15:50

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Hehe, very true. I wouldn’t complain about 380hp, much less 280hp.

Performance SUVs (and luxury cars in general these days) are so isolating though. I get the impression I’ll still have more fun in the 130hp Toyota MR2 than in even a 500hp BMW X4 M.

duurtlang > LongbowMkII 09/08/2018 at 15:53

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E46?

way2blu does a rev update > Textured Soy Protein 09/08/2018 at 15:59

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too much sound deadening, quiet-ass mufflers, and fake engine noises pumped in to the stereo. And no steering feel .

Preach.

I’ll take minimal sound deadening, audible-ass mufflers, and actual induction note 2 feet from my ears. And no power steering.

“Ultimate Driving Machine,” my audible ass. I’d rather Go Places driving my MR2.

way2blu does a rev update > duurtlang 09/08/2018 at 16:06

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The last time the E46 was “new” was 2006. Does that mean they’re all “old BMWs” now?

Decidedly not a “meh car” though. 

duurtlang > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 16:17

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There is no new or recent BMW which I do not find ‘meh’ (or worse) that I can think of. I do realize that’s nothing but a personal opinion though.

I will admit I have never driven the 2 series , that might theoretically have some potential. I don’t really like the look though.

Nom De Plume > LongbowMkII 09/08/2018 at 16:21

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Somehow Alpina snuck in a XD3 of all things a few years back.  What made it notable wasn’t that it was good.  It was the starting point they had to begin from.  Honestly X series Beemers are worst Beemers.

Vicente Esteve > way2blu does a rev update 09/08/2018 at 17:39

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I really, really doubt it will be a B58 alternative since the B58 X4/X4 already exists. It won’t be the N55 because that engine is phased out.

This leaves us with the S55, which I am almost certain it will power. AMG has stuck the proper V8 under the hood of its medium sized CUVs, BMW must follow trend. 

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > LongbowMkII 09/08/2018 at 18:30

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Sometime in the late 90 ’s.

marcva > LongbowMkII 09/09/2018 at 09:48

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+1. M2 seems like a fun little car, but I was hoping for four doors... Just keep getting the old ones as long as you can find them.