What is the draw of the t-handle shift knob

"gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee" (gogmorgo) 08/17/2018 at 12:49 • Filed to: None

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In a manual trans.

It came with my new-to-me MJ. It just feels so awkward in my hand. What am I supposed to do, grab the side in my finger tips? Rest my palm on the handle and wrap my fingers around it? It all just feels wrong.

The 2wd 2.5L short bed MJ, for your viewing pleasure. I suspect the wet spot on the bumper was the last little bit of coolant getting blown through the crusty as hell radiator.

Cause there’s nothing at all left in the system. The PO said it had an overheating problem, so given the state of the rad there’s most of a new cooling system waiting for me at Napa. Gonna toss that all in later and see how it goes. I don’t normally care for the shotgun approach but given the state of the radiator, I can’t really see the water pump being in much better shape.

Also in the Bad Ideas with Gog saga, towing that much weight with the factory five-speed ZJ. It definitely needs heavier springs in the back for a start, although I wonder what they would’ve been like if they weren’t as badly sagged. It was okay in the flats, just a bit slow, but as soon as I hit the mountains it became painfully obvious it needs deeper gears than the 3.55's for tow-pig duty. Coolant temp was rock stead around the vertical mark on the gauge (100°C/210°F, pick your cluster) though, despite pulling uphill in 40°C/100+°F heat. With no a/c I was having to stop because I was overheating, not the Jeep. But no wiggles or unruly behaviour despite way too much weight. With proper springs and deeper gears I would probably  do it again, just maybe not for 200 miles over/along the continental divide. 

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 13:14

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I get it. But it makes more sense in a 3 or 3 speed car when you aren’t doing a lot of side to side movement. I tried to get one for my 91 Civic at one point just because I thought I’d be funny, but all the adapters it came with were in inches not metrics 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 13:24

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Your new MJ is the sex. That is all.

LOREM IPSUM > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 13:25

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Maybe he just really likes bruising to his outer thigh.

Textured Soy Protein > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 13:28

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This is the appeal.

Just Jeepin' > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2018 at 13:29

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There aren’t nearly enough of them out there. Take good care of it!

vondon302 > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 13:41

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I had a t handle back in the day. Drove me nuts until I rotated it 30 degrees clockwise.

Still replaced it later on.

ToyotaFamily > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 13:46

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Pistol grip > T-handle 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ToyotaFamily 08/17/2018 at 13:53

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Pfft. Spitfire control loop or GTFAC.

OmerCarrothers333 > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 14:32

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They look cool, but I think they’re better with an automatic transmission.

That said, I wondering if I can get an adapter to fit a T-handle on my car’s DSG?

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 14:34

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Had one on my buggy. Didn’t care for it. Switched it out for an 8-ball style and thew the Hurst clone away.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 14:45

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I have that same exact shift knob in my XJ!  Bought it that way, I kinda like it actually.  Funny that we both have the same one.

WilliamsSW > vondon302 08/17/2018 at 14:49

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^^^^^^^^^ This right here.

Still not ideal, but that’s how a t-handle should be mounted.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 08/17/2018 at 16:10

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I’ve seen it on a few others too. I never really got it, it just looked silly to me. Now after using one I really don’t get it. But everyone’s different I guess. 

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 08/17/2018 at 16:11

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Yeah. I posted up in a local Jeep  group to see if anyone wanted to swap for factory. It's just weird. 

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > LOREM IPSUM 08/17/2018 at 16:12

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I’m a bigger guy at 6'2/230 but it doesn't come anywhere near my thing. I can't see a middle seat passenger much appreciating it though. 

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2018 at 16:13

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Me likey.  Got one to trade?

Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 08/17/2018 at 16:13

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Too bad you didn’t know a machinist who could have made you one at the time......

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2018 at 16:14

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It’s some STD’s though. I’ll let you guess what fluid that is.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Just Jeepin' 08/17/2018 at 16:15

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I’ll  definitely take better care than the last guy.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > vondon302 08/17/2018 at 16:18

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It wouldn’t go clockwise so I went about 330° CCW. It does feel a lot better under the hand, so I guess w e’ll see how it goes when it’s driving again.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness 08/17/2018 at 16:35

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Don't need a machinist, just get one a little smaller than necessary with any old thread, and drill and tap it yourself. 

Die-Trying > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 16:37

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the t handle is one of my favorite shifter handles...... the draw is that it fits right into the palm of your hand, and you get get a spectacular grip on it when you go to yank the gears..... its very useful if you are someone who doesnt use the clutch that much when shifting..........

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Die-Trying 08/17/2018 at 16:52

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I think the key to greatness here  is not having to move the shifter sideways.

Die-Trying > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 17:03

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on the v- gate, yeah........ but that shifter handle, once you get it sanded down a bit with some real coarse paper, and put a tooth on the handle(get it so that you can really grip it), you can get mean yanking a transmission in and out of gear without the clutch. it helps to get the rpms close, but i love the grip of the handle..... close behind it would be....

the dodge pistol grip handle.......

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 17:14

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I could definitely make one.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 17:29

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I wasn’t very savy beck then. Or ambitious 

LOREM IPSUM > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 17:45

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Well, if it's hitting your thing you're definitely doing it wrong.

Khalbali > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 19:06

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I had one in my 93 festiva and my 08 mx5, I just think they’re fun, especially the 1-2 and 3-4 upshifts.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > LOREM IPSUM 08/17/2018 at 20:59

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Lmao. Friggen autocorrect. 

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 08/17/2018 at 21:00

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I'm intrigued...

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Khalbali 08/17/2018 at 21:01

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I haven't made it to 4th yet. Something about no coolant. 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/17/2018 at 23:46

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Well, I’ve obviously not made one before, but I have a roll brake with a set of tubing slots, so I could roll something like the ring ought of about $5 of 5/16 tubing easily... then insert it into drilled 3/4 rod, tap the bottom of the rod, weld, and wrap the grip with $5 of tennis racket tape.

Then, a $10 button switch to control...something, and you have a whole RAF flight stick style handle.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/20/2018 at 08:01

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It took a little bit to get used to, but know I love it on there.  It’s not too bad on the XJ since you’re not really power shifting or moving fast.  You can take your time, just rest your palm on the top and go at it.