Modern Engines

"CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever" (carsoffortlangley) 08/04/2018 at 21:32 • Filed to: None

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How the hell are you supposed to work on this?

This is why I prefer wrenching on the D100

Nothing but room and teta nus

random001 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:38

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By removing it.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:38

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Aren’t modern electronics  supposed to reduce the masses of hose under the hood?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 08/04/2018 at 21:40

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Allegedly

TheRealBicycleBuck > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:47

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You aren’t. On my wife’s Explorer, replacing the rear bank of spark plugs required an engine-out service. They literally disconnect the subframe and lift the rest of the car away from the engine/subframe assembly.

That can’t be good....

Wacko > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:47

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A block heater?

You asked for one or it was standard?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Wacko 08/04/2018 at 21:50

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Standard. It's actually an oil pan heater. I use it in the winter, I hit the highway shortly after leaving home and like to have warm oil going through the turbo.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Wacko 08/04/2018 at 21:50

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Wait. Are you asking about the ST or truck?. The truck I have no idea, but it's from Edmonton

MM54 > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:53

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You’re not. T he dealer will happily take your money to do it, though.

Urambo Tauro > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 08/04/2018 at 21:58

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Yes. To make room for more wires.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:58

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But modern engines are not rusty yet.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:59

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Lol. The Fiesta is the easiest car I’ve ever worked on. Pretty much everything can be done with the engine in the car. The only pointlessly difficult part to get to is the thermostat, which require removing the front of the car, then praying.

This was designed around the time your D100 was built. This is what a nightmare looks like.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 21:59

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No vehicle for sale in Edmonton of that age would have come without a block heater. Now? Not so much, especially among the imports... idiotic if you ask me but there you go. 

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 22:01

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You bought a turbo car ... Even with the way modern cars work, a turbo requires additional tubes, hoses, an intercooler, etc.

My wife’s Mazda3 is pretty easy to work on if you have access above and below. With a lift, it would be super easy to do basically anything you normally need to do aside from  changing  the stretch belt.

Spaceball-Two > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 22:08

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I refuse to work on my wife’s car. My truck is simple and dumb enough for me not to screw anything up.

Svend > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 22:08

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That's the idea. They don't want you working on your cars, they can't charge you the earth for doing something if they aren't doing it. 

jimz > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 22:49

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the difference is that whatever you posted first doesn’t need to be worked on.  the D100 needs constant wrenching. 

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > jimz 08/04/2018 at 23:11

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Nah! I've had way more problems with the ST. 

Longtime Lurker > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/04/2018 at 23:18

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Essential equipment as a optional accessory. Fucking cash grab. The dealers wont even let you buy the car without it installed, but it’s “optional”.

glemon > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 23:22

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My brother’s first car was a 53 Chevy with a Stovebolt 6. If you knew didd ly about cars you could look under the hood and easily identify every wire and hose.

LOREM IPSUM > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 23:32

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They don’t want you to work on it. They:

A: Want to make it as time consuming to work on as possible, to increase billable shop time.

B: Want you to get fed up with the above and buy a new one, for the warranty if nothing else.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > LOREM IPSUM 08/04/2018 at 23:33

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I thought I was done with it.  But I think I’m going to drive it until something breaks that cannot be easily repaired.  Or until I get to fat to fit the recaro seats.  Whichever comes first. *drinks beer, eats chips*

LOREM IPSUM > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/04/2018 at 23:42

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If it really gets to the point that you want out, you can always leave it parked in Surrey for a few days/weeks. That might do the trick. Though not quite as effectively as in years past, where it would have been a given that i t would wander off if left unattended.

Wacko > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 00:19

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I was talking about the ST

Just wasn’t expecting to see a block heater since you are in BC

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Wacko 08/05/2018 at 00:22

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I think it’s standard in Canada.  Kinda nice

His Stigness > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 00:33

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Modern cars aren’t that hard to work on if you’re used to them. It’s actually amazing how straightforward most repairs are considering engineers have to cram more shit into ever smaller engine bays. I also like not having to crawl into an engine bay to get to one simple part. I hate working on older cars for that reason.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/05/2018 at 00:51

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V engines are the devil. Hence deVil6

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Longtime Lurker 08/05/2018 at 01:02

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I don’t understand where you’re coming from here.

On an older vehicle it was essential, yes, due to climate. A carbureted vehicle will struggle to start at -40, even when new. Was it an option? Well I guess but no manufacturer would have delivered a vehicle to the area without a block heater outside of the unlikely event it was specifically deleted on an order.

On a modern car for the most part it’s no longer absolutely essential. Most newer cars will start okay(ish) in the cold without a block heater, and most new car owners wouldn’t hang onto them long enough to notice the negative effects of repeated brutally cold starts and extended cold idle times to warm up the vehicle. The most noticeable effect of a block heater on deep-cold starting a new modern car is just heat out of the vents quicker. Maybe extended or slower cranking before firing but most cars look after that on their own now too. Even a new diesel will start up at -40 thanks to some crazy glow plug cycles. No car will be happy about it, but they will start, ergo block heaters are no longer “essential equipment".

The one block-heater related scam I’ve seen recently is that for the slight increase in cost of manufacture vs the complexity of dealer install after delivery and high risk of inadequate sealing, manufacturers (Looking at you, Ford)  are installing the block heaters but just not the cords. Then the dealer will charge you an obseen amount to “install” a block heater (that screws into a port so obscure and buried you wouldn't know any better cause you'll never see it) when it took them 30s to just plug in a $25 cord that they overcharge you for on top of everything else. 

EL_ULY > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 01:26

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VS.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > EL_ULY 08/05/2018 at 01:54

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Christ.  I can’t even imagine the first pic.

NKato > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 02:15

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It’s another way for the auto companies to drag more money out of you: maintenance fees at their dealerships.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 02:25

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DO NOT TOUCH THE MECHANICALS!

Longtime Lurker > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/05/2018 at 02:47

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No you seem to get what I’m saying.

Yes if you ignore the long term effects and the rapid climate heat then a block heater wouldn’t be essential (although I don’t think in the short-term like that when it comes to a vehicle).

If every car on the lot is having a block heater “added” before sale, with the customer not be given the “ option” then it basically is standard equipment, except you can’t negotiate on the price of the part or the labor to install.

duurtlang > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 06:24

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Meanwhile, 1987...

I admit, I cheated. It’s engine swapped. Donor engine is from 1996 though.

pip bip - choose Corrour > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 06:48

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step one, remove engine

Wacko > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 09:45

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On most cars a block heater is still an option in Canada. My pathfinder is my first car that it was standard.

Only problem is that my electronics on the pathfinder don't work when it's cold enough to use the block heater. I think it's a frozen mechanical relay.

Kanaric > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 08/05/2018 at 11:07

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I was going to do a couple of simple upgrades to my S3 and took like 10 minutes looking in the engine bay and trying to reach for the turbo and immediately said “nope” lol.

Would rather work on the bottom car lol

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Longtime Lurker 08/05/2018 at 11:13

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No, I’m still not sure what you’re saying. It looks like you’re complaining about block heaters having historically been included as standard. Except it also looks like you’re complaining about them not being included  as standard on modern cars.

Longtime Lurker > gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee 08/05/2018 at 13:20

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I think in Canada block heaters should be standard equipment.

gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee > Longtime Lurker 08/05/2018 at 15:46

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That’s debatable too. Some parts of the country never or rarely get cold enough for them to be particularly useful. I spent a couple winters in southern Ontario, for example, and people were complaining about “extreme cold” that I probably would’ve plugged in for given the opportunity, but wouldn’t have overly cared had I not. -22°C or thereabouts. And the west coast has no need for a block heater unless you travel in the winter, which most people don’t, because mountain passes are terrifying to people who haven’t driven in snow more than a handful of times . Canada’s a big place with tons of variation in climate. And even in climates where it would be necessary, many cars end up in storage over the winter, and it would be unfair to force people who simply don’t want one to pay for it, even if it’s not much. And I know lots of people who don’t bother using the one they have because it’s “ too much work”  to plug it in and unplug it all the time, which can actually be a huge pain in the ass if you have to park on the street in a busy neighbourhood. But yes, for those of us who do chose to use them, it's a headache when they don't have one. But we're definitely getting to be fewer and far betweener.