The Jeep Experience, Part 1: Why Jeeps Matter

"Just Jeepin'" (macintux)
07/10/2018 at 10:40 • Filed to: Jeep Experience, Convertible, Jeep, Wrangler

2005 Jeep Rubicon Unlimited on Philomath (yes, Philomath) Road, outside Liberty, Indiana, on June 8th, 2018.

July 8th, 2018, marked the 4th anniversary of the purchase of my Jeep Wrangler. Unlike many Jalopnik readers, I haven’t typically had multiple vehicles at once... in fact, I’ve had very few in total, all used. I identify very closely with my Jeep, but otherwise I’m really not much of a car guy.

So while I can’t make many meaningful contributions to what car enthusiasts like to talk about, I can at least attempt to convey what it means to me to embrace the Jeep lifestyle.

I came up with a list of reasons why I find Wranglers compelling, and why I think their appeal has lasted for decades. Most apply to me, and I think everyone can relate to at least one of these, even those who’ve had the fortitude to avoid being sucked into my world.

Open Air Driving

I find it depressing that Jeep has placed such an emphasis on color-matched hard tops since the introduction of the 2007 JK model. Besides the fact that contrast is a vital visual aesthetic, I genuinely believe that color-matched hard tops have led some Wrangler owners to not realize their top is removable.

Owning a Wrangler and never removing the top and doors is, well, sad. Just sad. It’s ok to not have the liberty to do so regularly, but to never do so at all is to miss out on one of life’s great experiences.

I’ve ridden in convertibles. I drove a Honda del Sol for 14 years. Nothing[*] compares to the feeling of a naked Jeep, especially if you drop the windshield too. Just yesterday I gave an elderly gentleman a triple take when I pulled into a parking lot with the windshield down.

And if you think it terribly impractical to drive around without doors, you’ve never pulled into a crowded parking lot and simply stepped out. Liberation, thy name is Jeep.

(* As pointed out in the comments, of course there is a vehicle that compares favorably to a fully denuded Jeep: a motorcycle.)

Off-Road Capability

Sure, there are other 4x4s in the world, some of which predate Jeep’s existence, but the Willys MB/Ford GPW became the iconic off-road vehicle during WWII and the Jeep CJs/Wranglers have been carrying forward that tradition ever since. The Rubicon edition of the Wrangler, released 15 years ago, is the most capable off-road vehicle you can buy (or, at least, that you would want to drive daily).

Even if you never take a Wrangler into the mud or over the rocks, that four-wheel drive capability comes in handy. Don’t want to shovel your driveway after a snowstorm? No problem!

And if you love exploring rural America, if you find it hard to pass by a gravel or dirt road without wondering where it might take you, you’ve come to the right place. Sure, a Subaru will also get you just about anywhere you might want to go, but who writes songs about Subarus?

Nostalgia/Romance/’Merica

A Jeep Wrangler is (more or less) a direct descendant of those Willys MBs and Ford GPWs that helped win the Second Great War for the Allies. If you remove the roll cage, remove the doors and top, a modern Wrangler bears a very strong resemblance to those rugged warriors.

For over 75 years Jeeps have been the plucky little go-anywhere vehicles that will give almost anyone a twinge of envy. They’re rapidly becoming more modern, with infotainment systems and power windows (yes, to a Jeep owner power windows count as a recent enhancement and you can still buy Wranglers without them !), but you can still leave the top off in a thunderstorm and have confidence the Jeep will be fine. You can still crawl underneath and manually shift yourself into four-wheel drive if something goes wrong. You can still have a stick shift if you want one. They still have round headlamps!

Community

Sure, there are no shortage of car communities, but here’s the thing: Jeeps are everywhere . And given the infinite customizations possible without even opening the hood, and how much Jeep owners generally love[*] their vehicles, there’s always something to talk about with other Jeep owners, even those who don’t know a driveshaft from a steering column.

(* Here’s the deal. Jeeps, particularly Wranglers, are inconvenient and unreliable. If you don’t love yours, you won’t put up with it, so through self-selection anyone who’s been driving a Wrangler long enough by definition loves it.)

And, with the possible exception of motorcycles, no vehicle has more events for their owners. From the granddaddy of them all, Easter Jeep Safari, where Jeep (the brand) brings out their concept vehicles, to the weekend-long Jeep Jamborees that in some parts of the country sell out as soon as tickets are available, to local clubs...there is almost always a Jeep event going on somewhere.

Uniqueness

At least in the U.S. market, there is only one other vehicle left standing that resembles the Wrangler: the G-Wagen. Defender? Deceased. Samurai? You can still get a Jimny overseas, but not here. Bronco? Expected to return, but will it be a ragtop body-on-frame solid-axle Wrangler competitor? Doubtful.

And the customization options for a Wrangler make it possible (if not inevitable) to make any individual Jeep unique. A wide variety of tops, of doors (I own 3 different sets of doors for mine), of (ugh) angry grilles... is there any other vehicle in the world which is expected to be customized by the owner after the sale? Jeep has said that more than half of all Wrangler owners make changes to theirs.

And the colors. In a world of grey vehicles, Jeeps have always been much brighter than average. Sure, you can buy black, or white, or silver if you utterly lack creativity, but from !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! to !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , from !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! (swoon) to !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , Wranglers have long been a way to escape the mundane.

General Utility

Why have CUVs taken over the world? Because they’re versatile, and comfortable, and have pretty good fuel mileage. They’re just not, well, fun.

Jeep Wranglers? They weren’t all that comfortable until the new generation, and still have pretty terrible fuel mileage relative to most other vehicles.

But they are very versatile. And very fun.

They can’t tow worth a damn. You probably won’t want to pour a half ton of mulch into them. They’re not a high performance car (the only way to win a race is to make sure the finish line is somewhere pretty far off the pavement).

But if you only had one vehicle for every aspect of your daily life, and you wanted it to be fun, and wanted to make sure every weekend you could go do something interesting with it... you could do far, far, far worse than a Jeep Wrangler.

DISCUSSION (66)

DipodomysDeserti > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 10:49

Yellow Joop!

Kinja'd!!!

My bird IS the word > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 10:50

Kinda suprised we don't get more wranglers on oppo. Although I suppose we don't have many 4wd oppos to begin with. Couple of 4runners, couple of trucks.

Just Jeepin' > My bird IS the word
07/10/2018 at 10:54

I just found out about https://overland.kinja.com (of course, I also was only vaguely aware of Oppo before yesterday).

I wonder what the Venn diagram of Jeep enthusiasts and car people would look like. I suspect there’s not all that much overlap.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 10:54

Great to see you here! You basically and more eloquently summed up my first experience driving a wrangler.

I would kill for one, it just isn’t at all a good idea for me.

Just Jeepin' > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/10/2018 at 10:55

Your time will come again. No one can hide from their true nature forever.

Wacko > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:00

I had a 97 sahara with a 4 inch lift kit on 35s

I loved it, great as a second car.

I had to get rid of it since we had more kids. (own a 7 passenger Pathfinder now)

Kinja'd!!!

this is when i had both TJs at the same time, white was a 2.5 with a hockey puck lift on 31 inch tires, and boy was it slow.

The 4.0 with the 35s was perfect.

Kinja'd!!!

my daughter in the jeep

Nothing > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:01

Welcome! A Wrangler is one of those vehicles I will eventually own. I tried to buy an LJ last summer but it was sold before I could get to it.

Completely agree with you about the open air aspect. I love open air vehicles, and especially being in a land locked state, convertibles are the closest thing to remind me of boating.

Just Jeepin' > Nothing
07/10/2018 at 11:02

Mine is a Rubicon LJ. I didn’t care about the Rubicon features (and in fact the factory lockers have cost me thousands of dollars) but it’s been quite the experience.

My bird IS the word > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:02

Shows how well kinja advertises these sites. Guess I’ll post over there if I ever get the humvee.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:02

Great review and fantastic picture.

jasmits > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:02

As one of the 4WD Oppos I can say there’s a ton of overlap, especially from the 4WD side. In this day and age if you buy a proper 4x4(and not a crossover) you pretty much are guaranteed to have some level of interest in vehicles, and therefore are a car person, Wranglers especially . Like, to me at least, if someone is willing to put up with the compromises to comfort and practicality presented by a Wrangler to drive something fun with personality that makes them a car person, even if they’re mostly or only into Jeeps.

Also, welcome!! Don’t let us scare you away too quickly.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:04

Welcome to Oppo by the way. This is a great first post. Don’t let the shitposting scare you away; there is a lot of knowledge, friendship and good writing here.

Just Jeepin' > Wacko
07/10/2018 at 11:04

Yeah, the 4 door Wrangler definitely opened things up to more families, but if you need 7 seats I can see why you had to go a different route.

Hamtractor > My bird IS the word
07/10/2018 at 11:05

I’m a truck guy, specifically a 1968-1991 K5 Blazer, K10, K20, K30 guy. Because I’m a full-size Chevy guy, I’ve been indoctrinated by that community to detest Jeeps. But lately, I’m really liking the idea of a Jeep. Nowhere near as sturdy or reliable as my old Chevy s, the best Jeeps have Chevy drivetrains, but man, I just can’t get past the notion of all that top down, out of the box capable, analog Jeep lovin...

Just Jeepin' > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever
07/10/2018 at 11:05

I’m just glad you gave me the push yesterday to hop on. The only thing I don’t like about Oppo so far is the quantity of posts; can’t imagine trying to keep up all day, every day.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:07

We’ve got something for that, too. =) https://oppositeblog.kinja.com/

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:08

Fantastic first post - welcome!

Just Jeepin' > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
07/10/2018 at 11:10

Thanks for sharing my post there! I’ll do my best to make the rest of the series worthy, although judging by the extreme opposite end of the traffic spectrum there I imagine it’s tough.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:10

Eh, you get used to it. You don’t have to read each one. It was odd to me when I joined last August too. Since then, I’d estimate that I’ve met close to 20 people in real life from here or Jalopnik.

You find certain people you like the content of more than others. We have some of the better content aggregated on Oppositeblog (your post is there now) :

https://oppositeblog.kinja.com/

You can also try to use tags to track stuff that you think is better. I use https://oppositelock.kinja.com/tag/best-of-cofl to track the stuff I have done that I am proud of.

random001 > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:11

Kinja'd!!!

OMFGYEELOWJOOP!

I’m waiting for Hella Yella to start production of the JLs, and I’m probably hopping into a Jeep within the year....

Nothing > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:14

It’s even a yellow LJ, which is my first choice. I delayed by 24 hours looking at the one that was for sale. Superb price on it, ticked all the boxes except I wanted a manual instead of an automatic. That one day was the difference between most likely having a low mileage LJ Rubicon and not having one.

Just Jeepin' > random001
07/10/2018 at 11:15

This is a good bright color year, between Hella Yella and Mojito (I’ll have to see Punk’n in person before I pass judgement on it) .

I hope Hella Yella sticks around another year, I could definitely see myself buying a 2019 once they add the BSG to the Pentastar.

fhrblig > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:18

Nice one! An inline-6 powered Wrangler is on my bucket list of vehicles to own.

Just Jeepin' > Nothing
07/10/2018 at 11:21

Ouch, very sorry to hear that.

I was extremely lucky. I wanted yellow. I wanted an LJ. I wanted a manual. I searched for weeks, and then one popped up 30 minutes from home when I decided to also search for “Unlimited Rubicon” (whatever search tool I had listed them separately, and before then I hadn’t thought to check it).

Only the 2nd manual LJ I found in Indianapolis, and the first was trash .

I found it on a Sunday evening, so there was nothing to do but wait for morning. Could barely sleep. And when I got there, the salesman said there had been two yellow LJs that were traded in by the same guy, and one was already sold, and he thought it was the manual that sold. Took an agonizing 15 minutes to figure out my dream Jeep was still available.

The next day I happened to meet the previous owner at the dealership. He told me he had bought it sight unseen while driving across Indiana to Illinois, because someone was at the Illinois dealership haggling over it. He gave them his CC number on the phone for a deposit and stole it out from underneath the other buyer.

Anyway, quite the series of pure dumb luck that let me get this one. Guess I should capture the whole story in another post.

Wacko > fhrblig
07/10/2018 at 11:22

now is the time, since you are car less., then you can just be top less.....

My bird IS the word > Hamtractor
07/10/2018 at 11:24

Somebody other than Chrysler needs to make an SUV with a removable hard top, so these can be affordable.

functionoverfashion > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:27

Well said, and welcome. I’ve always wanted to have one, but have always needed a little more practicality - in college when I could have otherwise lived with one, I needed to carry lots of skis on a regular basis, and securely, AND on long road trips. A Wrangler just... isn’t good at that. At least, not one that I could afford when I was in college.

Someday. Maybe I’ll get one for my kids when they’re learning to drive, so I can have them learn on a manual. I have other manuals, currently, but I’m 10 years from them driving...

fhrblig > Wacko
07/10/2018 at 11:27

I’d love to, but the ones in the range I’m willing to spend are too old for my CU to finance. Have to save up some cash before I can do it.

Just Jeepin' > functionoverfashion
07/10/2018 at 11:29

There’s much about the Jeep experience that isn’t terribly practical. Fortunately you can buy a used one cheap[*] and use it as a summer runabout/stick shift training vehicle.

(* Just kidding. The depreciation curve on these is rivaled only by Toyota.)

vicali > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:30

G o o d e n o u g h f o r Jake a n d A n n e r s ;

Kinja'd!!!

Just Jeepin' > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
07/10/2018 at 11:30

Thanks! I almost published without a photo, then realized how sad that would make me and everyone else. Jeeps are meant to be appreciated.

functionoverfashion > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:42

I’ve got a friend who knows a ton about the older ones (pre-wrangler, mostly) , has restored several, for customers and just to flip; he’s always got 3-4 kicking around in various states of repair. I’m sure he’d find/sell me one if the time comes!

AdverseMartyr > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 11:45

“ Nothing compares to the feeling of a naked Jeep, especially if you drop the windshield too.”
Counterpoint: Your just trying to imitate the feel of riding a motorcycle.

Welcome to Oppo! You’ve brought up fond memories of the ‘81 CJ7 I used to own.

Just Jeepin' > AdverseMartyr
07/10/2018 at 11:46

True, I should have mentioned that alternative. I prefer my 4 wheels for safety but indeed a motorcycle is a better naked experience.

Someday I’ll own a CJ. Great Jeeps.

random001 > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 12:04

I’m not sure about all that ESS and BSG stuff. Maybe they have it sorted, but on a Jeep? Not sure. Of course, then I go and want the power top, so maybe I’m just old...

Just Jeepin' > random001
07/10/2018 at 12:07

I spend enough time in drive-through lines to appreciate its value. And with a manual, it sounds like it’s almost entirely a non-factor.

Knock on wood, I’ll always have my LJ for relative simplicity, and hopefully a CJ-2A someday for something even simpler. I wouldn’t mind a few more modern conveniences in a JL.

random001 > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 12:12

I test drove a JL with the ESS. It freaked me out a bit, but I got the hang of it. I guess as long as there’s a warranty involved, I can ignore the added complexity...

Just Jeepin' > random001
07/10/2018 at 12:13

Stick or auto?

Yeah, it definitely seems to catch people by surprise if they’re not expecting it.

random001 > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 12:25

Stick, which is why it was weird. I was unfamiliar with the clutch (obviously) and thought I’d stalled it!

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > AdverseMartyr
07/10/2018 at 12:38

I would argue you’re more naked in a Jeep , you don’t have to wear a helmet in a Jeep.

Just Jeepin' > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
07/10/2018 at 13:48

Good point, but conversely you don’t have to wear one on a motorcycle, you’re just tempting the law (most places) and physics (every place).

Just Jeepin' > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 13:51

Thanks to everyone for the warm welcome. Fame is fleeting but I’ll enjoy the reception while I can.

Kinja/Oppo question: is there a way to share this onto my personal Kinja blog, like it was shared to Oppositeblog? I assume it’s easy if you have permissions, but you’d think I’d have the necessary permissions to my own blog, so...UI problem? Fundamental software limitation? Idiot user problem?

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 14:02

I like my brain too much to take the risk , it really makes this whole “living” thing much easier.

While it’s not illegal yet to ride without a helmet here, I shake my head every time I see a moron without one.

Censored > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 14:52

Oooohhhhhh.... LJ Rubi. Nice. 04 05 06?

Just Jeepin' > Censored
07/10/2018 at 14:53

‘05. The LJ didn’t get the Rubicon and stick shift options until ‘05.

Just Jeepin' > Censored
07/10/2018 at 14:55

(Also, I’m impressed you can tell from that angle. I struggle identifying the unlimiteds from anything other than a side view...although I suppose the Unlimited is barely visible.)

Censored > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 18:17

Angled rear roll bar rails.

Was going to ask if you had an auto with the hard shift problems, but roqing your own fixes that. My only regret with my Rubi is that it isn’t a lj. With a kid and a dog the extra space would be great.

Just Jeepin' > Censored
07/10/2018 at 18:27

Of course. I even verified a SWB TJ the other day (the fireworks incident) using the straight rear roll bars.

I really need to drive a SWB someday. I took one for a short drive around a parking lot before I bought mine, but now that I’ve had some experience turning my land yacht I’d like to see how the other half lives.

Censored > Just Jeepin'
07/10/2018 at 18:58

Its a different animal for sure. My uncle has a LJ, dad has a 2 Dr jk and I have the tj. The LJ is the only one that makes me jealous. It’s smooth and polite on the hwy. The jk is smooth but so twitchy, you really have to be on top of driving it, doesn’t help that it has 35x12.5's. it justfollows every crack in the road. My tj rides great, just the steering input is so fast on the highway, I have to remember not to drive it like my “ school bus” crew cab truck. Of the 3 mine has a significantly tighter turning radius. Probably a vehicle width over the jk and 1.5 over the LJ.

Just Jeepin' > Just Jeepin'
07/11/2018 at 01:36

Figured out my Kinja sharing problem. Easy, just not where I expected it.

I’ve also tweaked the title now that I think I know where I’m headed with future installments, and added a photo credit. I do love that someone named a road “Philomath.” Need to figure out how it happened.

AdverseMartyr > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
07/11/2018 at 04:34

If you don’t care about safety, then you don’t need a helmet on a motorcycle either. And if you are driving a normal Jeep with a normal 3 point restraint system then in the event of a rollover you would probably still want a helmet to keep your head from bouncing off the ground.
Though to be honest, my biggest thing would be that I’d want a helmet in either scenario to keep the bugs from hitting me in the face. That just hurts too much.

Both my cars are XJs > Just Jeepin'
07/11/2018 at 13:26

Of course all Jeeps do NOT have round headlites. YJ ust sayin... since the ‘80s & 90's are cool(??) again. Make mine Glamour Turqoise , or Light Champagne (it’s the color of dirt!)

If part 1 is the upsides... How many parts do you have? There’s got to be one for the down-sides, obvsly, one for the upsides-down, the muddy, bloody trail-side fixes. The money side every dollar, like breadcrumbs, leads your Jeep into your wallet...

Just Jeepin' > Both my cars are XJs
07/11/2018 at 13:49

Oh, yeah, trust me, the inconveniences will make an appearance.

Just Jeepin' > AdverseMartyr
07/11/2018 at 17:33

Though to be honest, my biggest thing would be that I’d want a helmet in either scenario to keep the bugs from hitting me in the face. That just hurts too much.

If I keep my speed under 55, it doesn’t bother me much. I even got hit in the face with a spray of gravel at 55 this week as a truck passed me going the other way , and while it stung a bit it wasn’t a big deal.

I definitely appreciate my glasses, and I hope to get some motorcycle goggles this year so I can stop worrying about the wind ripping away my prescription sunglasses.

HammerheadFistpunch > Just Jeepin'
07/11/2018 at 18:43

Thats my part of the Kinja Universe, come check it out, I will make sure you’re outta the grays and if you want to post there we can make that happen.

AdverseMartyr > Just Jeepin'
07/12/2018 at 01:14

I’m thinking of motorcycles, and unless I was stop’n’go in town I’ve rarely been traveling below 60mph. 60 is kinda the speed I have in my head. Though continual rain at 30mph is pretty painful after about a minute as well.

Just Jeepin' > AdverseMartyr
07/12/2018 at 01:18

If I ever get goggles I might try higher speeds, but I doubt it. The Jeep isn’t exactly a performance vehicle anyway, and I hate interstates. I do my best to take state highways if I’m traveling medium distances.

(J ust up late wrapping up part 2. Not sure yet when I’ll post it.)

AdverseMartyr > Just Jeepin'
07/12/2018 at 01:28

I’m laughing, you think yours isn’t exactly performance. The CJ7 I used to own was a 3 speed (technically 4, but 1st was really just low gear for crawling. If I used 1st on the road I had to immediately shift into 2nd or endure it lurching forward. Made it great for not loaning out to people though as 1)manual, 2) could just claim it had a transmission problem, and most people couldn’t understand the whole idea of starting from a stop in 2nd gear.) It hated going over 55mph. I think I could just barely make it to 80 on a downhill.

Just Jeepin' > AdverseMartyr
07/12/2018 at 01:37

Yeah, d efinitely not nearly that bad.

I don’t think I’ve ever tried to identify its top speed (especially since roughly 1/3rd of the year, when the roads are always safe from ice and thus I might make such an attempt, I have no doors or top and that wind gets brutal) but I do know I’ve been up to 80mph without difficulty, although I was wearing ear protection when I did that while naked.

For a while I was starting in 2nd gear, but now I’m back to using 1st from a dead stop. Someone who should know better than me indicated that 3000-3500 RPMs were good for the straight 6 engine, so I’ve retrained my ears to not cringe so much when I’m revving it that high.

Federally > Just Jeepin'
01/25/2020 at 18:52

Are Jeeps really unreliable? I hear that a lot but between my '14 and my dad's '11 we really haven't had any mechanical issues we didn't create.

Just Jeepin' > Federally
01/25/2020 at 19:51

I’m biased because mine has been an absolute lemon. I love it to death, but I’ve had never-ending problems with it.

I suspect it doesn’t help that I’m (at least) the 3rd owner. It also doesn’t help that I didn’t know anything about car repair, and even less than anything about the specifics of solid axle 4wd Jeeps, so I made my share of mistakes trying to clean up previous owners’ mistakes.

Federally > Just Jeepin'
01/25/2020 at 20:31

Well that just supports my thought that the unreliable reputation is unearned.

Just Jeepin' > Federally
01/25/2020 at 21:01

On one of the many occasions I needed a tow, I asked the driver what vehicle ended up on his flatbed the least often.

He pointed over his shoulder to my Jeep.

So, you’re probably right.

Federally > Just Jeepin'
01/25/2020 at 21:06

I see so many Jeeps modified by people who’s desires drastically outstretch their budget.

Which certainly contributes significantly to the amount of Jeeps needing towed lol

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Just Jeepin'
11/10/2020 at 02:13

If I join the Jeep club, it will be with a FWD/manual Compass or Patriot. Or I’ll buy one of each and make myself a Compatriot.

Just Jeepin' > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
11/10/2020 at 07:28

I’m suddenly ok with Kinja shutting down.