Valiant* vs. Corvair and Chevy II

"WilliamsSW" (williamssw) 06/29/2018 at 18:28 • Filed to: shitpost, Valiant, Corvair, Chevy II

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*not a Plymouth

Amazing that at one point, they’re talking about the Valiant being “Within $1.40 of the Chevy II”. My how the times have changed...

E90M3 > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:36

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I saw this neat VW last night.

WilliamsSW > E90M3 06/29/2018 at 18:37

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That’s a Seat.

Future next gen S2000 owner > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:39

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Ahhh, back when cents mattered.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:41

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What I took away from this video:

PLING

WilliamsSW > winterlegacy, here 'till the end 06/29/2018 at 18:42

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Yeah that was annoying AF. Almost skipped it because of that.

Speaking of which, them claiming that the Valiant’s ‘styling’ was a plus was a big reach.

WilliamsSW > Future next gen S2000 owner 06/29/2018 at 18:43

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Cents is are irrelevant now, have been for a long time.

E90M3 > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:44

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No, this is a Seat.

lone_liberal > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:47

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Thing learned: a heater was optional on a Valiant. Thing reaffirmed: Valiants were butt ugly. 

WilliamsSW > E90M3 06/29/2018 at 18:48

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You’re just salty  that you bought a Chevy II 100 series instead of a Valiant, aren’t you?

E90M3 > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:49

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Waaaa yyyy too salty about it.

WilliamsSW > E90M3 06/29/2018 at 18:52

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Those cars make great drag cars, though - a small block is all you need (and some traction. Also, there is a guy in my neighborhood who has a car that look s EXACTLY like this, but with rust.

Yes, down to the color and poverty caps.

WilliamsSW > lone_liberal 06/29/2018 at 18:53

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That was right around the time that heaters became pretty much standard on everything, IIRC.

Also, within a year or so after that, the transition from generators to alternators was completed, too. 

not for canada - australian in disguise > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:55

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Lark > Others

WilliamsSW > not for canada - australian in disguise 06/29/2018 at 18:58

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4 wheel independent suspension and 50/50 weight distribution or GTFO

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 18:59

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“Compact Car”

Length of a Valiant: 192.3 inches ( 4885 mm ) (sedan)

Length of a modern Fiesta: 3969mm (Zetec S / ST: 3982mm)

WilliamsSW > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/29/2018 at 19:01

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Weight of a ‘62 Valiant H/T coupe - 2,515 lb

Weight of a FiST - 2,700 lb.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 19:02

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Power of a Fiesta 197 HP

Power of a Valiant: 6 pigeons

WilliamsSW > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/29/2018 at 19:03

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Remember the ratings were gross back then, though - net is probably more like 4 pigeons.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 19:06

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But they’re 4 angry pigeons fighting over half a muffin.

lone_liberal > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 19:07

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I also hadn’t realized that Chevy IIs had four lug wheels for the first few years .

WilliamsSW > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/29/2018 at 19:08

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You would know, you own a vehicle with the same engine.

The 170 was standard, 225 optional in the ‘62 Valiant.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 19:11

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Yeah, I’m afraid that my truck’s rated at best for 3 sad, frail pigeons in power

WilliamsSW > lone_liberal 06/29/2018 at 19:16

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The 1st gen Chevy II was a rapid response, low-cost effort to compete with the Falcon (and other compacts, but mostly the Falcon).  And, no matter what anyone else says, it’s the Chevy II that killed the Corvair, not Nader.

There was a lot of cost cutting in that car -it was built to a price.  I was surprised the ‘62 had a generator.  Guessing they switched to alternators a year or two after that, but not sure.  

lone_liberal > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 19:23

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The only thing I knew about them is that they were light so  people loved to make drag cars out of them when I was a kid.

WilliamsSW > lone_liberal 06/29/2018 at 19:34

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Yup --  the first 3 generations of the Deuce are all very popular with drag racers.  They’re all in the 2,500-3,000 lb range, mostly toward the lower half of that. 

ranwhenparked > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/29/2018 at 19:57

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Well, a Fiesta is a subcompact. The current Focus sedan is 178.5 inches - but, still, that’s over a foot difference. Some of the bigger compacts on the market today get a bit closer - the Cruze is 183.7 inches, and the new Jetta stretches to over 185.

ranwhenparked > lone_liberal 06/29/2018 at 19:58

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I always assumed the Valiant was Virgil Exner’s way of throwing a temper tantrum over having to do a small car. 

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 06/29/2018 at 20:00

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The Fiesta is a SUBcompact. The Focus is a compact.

The current Focus is 171 to 179 inches in length

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > WilliamsSW 06/29/2018 at 20:29

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That thing’s styling was awful compared to the Chevy’s, but... everyone has their own tastes, so I’m sure that the marketing scored at least someone.

Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition > WilliamsSW 06/30/2018 at 02:14

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My slant is awful. I have a 73 valiant. I also have the sibling of the valiant above, the dodge lancer.

WilliamsSW > Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition 06/30/2018 at 07:34

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Way back, I had a 7 4 Dart with the 2 2 5. P r obably the worst car I’ve owned, but it was also the cheapest, at $6 5 0.