Politics: Party over country or country over party, or fear over morality?

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer)
06/12/2018 at 10:23 • Filed to: None

After being back stabbed by his own party, and being accused money laundering after a damming video came out, Ricardo Anaya has lost the 2nd place in the elections for the first time, as this poll by El Heraldo shows.

While this poll is limited in size (and pollsters themselves admitting Mexicans “chose in the ballots at the last moment”) the media accepted polls by Mitofsky are of a similar size and it is a departure form the norm of Anaya being several points ahead of Meade and not significantly behind Obrador.

Right now they are within the margin of error of eachother while Obrador is 15 points ahead of Meade. Yet, if we add up Meade and Anaya’s preference, we get 47% of the polled.

Given Obrador has the highest “I’d never vote for him” of any candidate and would be a disastrous president, we need to ask Meade and Anaya if one of them should stand down and help the other win. The stand off is almost over.

Right now their parties are fighting, and you need to ask yourself if it even matters; Meade and Anaya have similar proposals and both represent a broken, if perhaps improving, establishment, where Obrador represent a rejection of the institutions, and a very dangerous populist rhetoric.

Obrador is the Mexican Trump, and if Meade and Anaya have any social responsability, one of them is going to retire from the race.

And their voters too face a difficult question: Should I vote for my candidate or againts another? For instance. Anaya is the most outspoken in favour of LGBT and abortion rights, but given he’s losing preference, and Obrador is endorsed by an anti-gay, anti-abortion party, should the fans of Anaya that voted for him due to the lgbt and abortion positions vote for Meade?

DISCUSSION (14)

Wheelerguy > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 10:31

nah fuck it let’s go to war, might as well, because my views are colored, biased, it’s bleak, unpopular, and will die off anyway. Right?

No fighting this when a quarter of the world is fine with this rubbish and the other half don’t give a fucking damn about what’s happening. Good people are bad people, bad people are good, nothing is said straight, everything that’s true is a lie, actual lies are okay and are truth.

Honestly, what are we doing here? Living a life, or bullshitting?

Gimme some more codeine.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 10:41

Vote for the one you want, otherwise what is the point of a republic?

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Wheelerguy
06/12/2018 at 10:53

I recall Townes had something to say about codeine. “Now I’m out of prison/I got me a friend at last/He don’t drink or steal or cheat or lie/His name’s Codine/He’s the nicest thing I’ve seen/Together we’re gonna wait around and die”

Spanfeller is a twat > Future next gen S2000 owner
06/12/2018 at 10:59

keeping it is the point of it.

Spanfeller is a twat > Wheelerguy
06/12/2018 at 11:00

I... I... What

Ash78, voting early and often > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 11:54

Don’t vote for the politician who shares all your views because you won’t find one. Vote for the one who will help ensure an environment where your views can be enacted (or at least free to be practiced).

I gave up on abortion as an issue a long time ago. People are going to do it whether it’s legal or not and that’s their decision. I still consider it akin to murder, but like euthanasia or suicide, there is some gray area.

LGBT — I couldn’t care less from a secular political view, I’m against any form of overt oppression there. In my church, the issue keeps coming up and I draw some lines there (performing weddings, for example) but I don’t consider that viewpoint a matter of national politics.

Spanfeller is a twat > Ash78, voting early and often
06/12/2018 at 12:12

Well, not getting into those particular topics, what I wanted to underline is that many people don’t have a clear choice for President because of how weird their political ideals are. In the end we might have three candidates, but for many people the race is Obrador vs The Establishment.

People are also willfully missinformed. I went to isidewith.com, and I realized something, fans of Obrador are pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, and pro increasing taxes to the rich. The issue is... Obrador is againts taxing the rich more, and will not give a position on the other two.

In terms of economics, Obrador’s platform is similar to Venezuela; just substitute “petroleum revenue” with “the revenue from cleaning out the swamp” and you have an equally impossible conclusion: If you want to increase social aid you must increase taxes. People need to make these “hard” choices instead of having politicians telling them impossibilities or else we will never stop being an unequal nation.

It’s the same here in Mexico City, people hate real estate developers but complaint when the government proposed a tax on the revenue of an asset sale in order to stop rampant speculation. Now candidates are againts the tax and againts the developers.

Ash78, voting early and often > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 12:18

Don’t forget that increasing tax REVENUES doesn’t always entail increasing tax RATES, but that is heavily dependent on economic growth.

I’ve decided to get more involved in local politics (because they honestly affect me more) and the sales tax and property tax rates are something we’re all struggling with right now.

Thankfully local politics doesn’t usually include much in the way of morality decisions, so it’s far easier to discuss.

Spanfeller is a twat > Ash78, voting early and often
06/12/2018 at 12:32

Yes, but the given the current state of income inequality, it’d be important to shift the tax burden towards top earners ever so slightly. We should also raise the minimum wage by a lot (twice over I’d say) though this would primarily effect a very small portion of society, to them it will be vital.

We also need to focus on giving more tax cuts to small businesses, and trying to re-negotiate NAFTA so that Mexican telecom services and airlines can compete in the US, and Canadian market with a bit more focus.

I don’t really believe in Supply Side economics, or the Laffer curve, but one candidate is offering to try out that, but he’s polling at 3% and wants to chop off hands.

I agree that local politics is where you can get to see a bigger impact to your life and that of your community. I’d like to become mayor of my borough one day, primarily because it’d be like playing cities skylines, but I’d never go for governor or any legislative position.

Spanfeller is a twat > Ash78, voting early and often
06/12/2018 at 12:32

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Spanfeller is a twat
06/12/2018 at 13:15

I wish anyone in a public office who ever stated “party over country” in a non-joking manner, would be immediately removed from office.

Spanfeller is a twat > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
06/12/2018 at 13:24

I think parties are OK for campaignig but otherwise I’d make it obligatory that politicians quit their parties upon getting their office.

I know it’s mostly symbolic but, still

dogrivergrad68 > Spanfeller is a twat
06/19/2018 at 03:19

From this article, it seems like “ending corruption” is AMLO’s cure for everything and what will fund “whatever the people want to hear in this city”.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/06/25/a-new-revolution-in-mexico

Spanfeller is a twat > dogrivergrad68
06/19/2018 at 06:15

Obrador is an establishment politician, it’d be silly to assume he’d end corruption. He’s lucky because the mexico city highway trust fund documents aren’t available for review yet.