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"Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)" (galileo-humpkins)
05/18/2018 at 11:22 • Filed to: None

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A lot is unconfirmed still.

DISCUSSION (75)

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 11:26

there was a shooting in a high school in dixon illinois a few days ago but luckily nobody was injured except for the shooter

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 11:27

Damn, we almost made it a whole several days without a school shooting

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 11:29

I saw that the other day. That one turned out as well as could be hoped for. This one, and many others, not so much.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
05/18/2018 at 11:30

It’s very sad to me, that your statement is true in both fact and tone.

PatBateman > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 11:30

Just south of where I live/am right now (30 minutes or so, with traffic). Local authorities just stated that “at least” 8 were killed. A kid who was in the school when it happened said there was a dead police officer in the campus.I almost went and pulled my kids out of school, but we’re in a different school district and I don’t want to be too reactionary.

Also, there are TWO suspects in custody right now, but we’ll see if one of those arrests was more cautionary and not because they got caught red-handed shooting the joint up.

LOREM IPSUM > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 11:31

Maybe if kids would stop being such absolute dicks to each other, other kids would stop trying to kill them.

Guns aren’t the problem, your precious little snowflakes are.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
05/18/2018 at 11:31

i actually got in an argument last week because Australia saw its first mass shooting in 22 years and someone had to audacity to claim that it proves that “gun control” doesnt work. i was like in America we can barely go 22 days between mass shootings. i would love to go 22 years between them

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 11:33

From the unconfirmed reports I just heard, they believe single shooter. So if the second suspect is in custody, probably just cautionary. I suppose we’ll find out a little later.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 11:33

Link, in case Kinja:

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/santa-fe-texas-shooting/h_ac5b2ec04f26159cb7bea5b94e3ad5a8

PatBateman > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 11:36

A couple of kids being interviewed were saying that they thought there were two people involved, but that always seems like it’s the case when there’s actually one person involved.

Chariotoflove > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 11:37

“ i would kill to go 22 years between them”

I share your sentiment, but the expression struck me as extraordinarily odd under the circumstances.

Chariotoflove > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 11:38

There is truth to this. Of course, everything seems catastrophic at that age.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Chariotoflove
05/18/2018 at 11:40

yeah i realized it was a poor choice of words so ive corrected it

Ash78, voting early and often > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 11:42

Funny they would cite that, since the last mass shooting there changed their gun control laws almost overnight, and with a pretty good track record.

Chariotoflove > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 11:43

Good thing I quoted you, or my post would be orphaned!

Yeah, not criticizing you. It just struck my sideways is all. Not exactly humorous but funny, if you know what I mean.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Ash78, voting early and often
05/18/2018 at 11:45

yeah, like there are kids in Australia who we born then graduated college without having to see a mass shooting reported on the news. how is that not a good thing. how is that not something america should strive for

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 11:50

I’d imagine that in all the confusion and hysteria it’s happens a lot that people aren’t sure how many there are.

Ash78, voting early and often > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 11:52

I agree, we need a “vision statement” from leadership, even if it sounds crazy. That’s how stuff gets done, the boss has to put a goal in front of us. I don’t think Trump ever really had a goal in his life, just a series of things he fell into (some worked, most didn’t).

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 11:53

hey yeah lets blame the victims lying in pools of their own blood that they wouldnt be dead had they been a little nicer...classy

LOREM IPSUM > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 11:58

Absolutely.

Push people to their breaking point and this is the kind of result you get.

Ash78, voting early and often > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 12:00

I absolutely agree this is a cultural and human relationship problem even more than a gun or a security problem. These incidents just happen repeatedly because guns are small and effective. And it’s not one person or one law that’s going to change things.

If it wasn’t this, it would be people driving their families off of cliffs, drowning their kids, or driving into pedestrians.

Society has gotten sick all around.

blacktruck18 > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 12:01

Maybe if kids would stop being such absolute dicks to each other, other kids would stop trying to kill them.

It seems to me that people, in general, are just shittier to each other nowadays than they were not too long ago. I just seem to remember people being nicer to each other in daily life when I was younger, maybe I am wrong though.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 12:01

good god almighty is that horrible to say. blaming kids for their own murders. and not sure what frozen precipitation has to do with any of this. are you calling the shooter a snowflake because he couldnt take normal high school bullying or the dead kids snowflakes because they felt entitiled to feel safe in school?

Urambo Tauro > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 12:11

Despite not seeing the news, I guessed correctly what this post was going to be about before I clicked. *sigh* Being right isn’t all it’s cracked up to be...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 12:15

And POTUS 45 tweets: God bless all!

LOREM IPSUM > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 12:17

They felt entitled enough to push someone to the point of effectively ending their own life, through picking up a gun to end the lives of those who tormented them. These kids aren’t executing their classmates out of boredom, they are (usually) broken by their peers.

If you want to feel entitled to personal safety don’t treat others like garbage, because you cannot do so with impunity, in school or anywhere else.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 12:17

Dead cop? I’m waiting to hear 9mm handgun versus AR-15. We have a problem.

WilliamsSW > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 12:19

Dammit. Wouldn’t fault you one bit for getting your kids - not that my opinion matters.

Typically a lot of early info turns out to be untrue, hopefully they get any shooters whether one or more.

Be safe-

BigBlock440 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 12:19

i actually got in an argument last week because Australia saw its first largest mass shooting in 22 years

FIFY

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > BigBlock440
05/18/2018 at 12:27

sorry youre right, there was one in 2014 where a famer shot his wife and 3 kids before taking his own life which qualified it as a mass shooting. but still 22 years and theyve had 2 of them, and one of them was more a tragic family murder-suicide. but you cannot argue that 2 since 1996 somehow means their gun control is ineffective

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Urambo Tauro
05/18/2018 at 12:31

It’s kind of sad, sick even, that that’s the case.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/18/2018 at 12:32

Oh don’t even get me started...

PatBateman > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/18/2018 at 12:41

If you’re holding an AA-12 (automatic shotgun) and I get the drop on you with a .22, you die.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 12:41

you need help. youre acting like the victim is the shooter, not the dead.

PatBateman > WilliamsSW
05/18/2018 at 12:42

I have a scheduled phone call later today that I can’t miss, plus they’ve missed a few days lately for this and that. If those factors weren’t present, I’d have stayed home with them.

Derpwagon > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 12:45

This country has a mental health problem.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Derpwagon
05/18/2018 at 12:53

Uh, sure, but we also have a gun problem.

LOREM IPSUM > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 12:56

Maybe the shooter WAS the victim, every school day leading up to today (plus nights and weekends thanks to social media.)

We, as a society, need help.

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 12:58

i was bullied throughout middle school and high school, like to the point where i needed anti-depressants just to make sure i could walk through those front doors everyday. i dont take kindly to bullies, but i didnt shoot my school up and the kid who just shot his up is not the victim

LOREM IPSUM > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 13:11

Well, not anymore he isn’t.

Once you start shooting unarmed people you become the aggressor, and no one really cares about your feelings or what drove you to homicide. They just want to see your head on a pike so they can go back to being superior to everyone else on Facebook and ‘stagram and Snapchat like normal.

BigBlock440 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 13:18

Their numbers literally did not change. I’d argue it’s ineffective because it literally had no effect...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > BigBlock440
05/18/2018 at 13:26

but it did, in that list there are only 4 that would conform to the accepted 4 deaths excluding the shooter. many of those massacres are Arson, stabbing, one blunt instrament, and one car. the gun control did keep mass shootings to a minimum. in roughly the same ammount of time america has had 15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

LOREM IPSUM > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 13:27

#FunFact: A .22 LR round can be fatal at a distance of up to 1.5 miles.

PatBateman > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 13:34

Huh. Didn’t know that. I was thinking more along the lines of a .22 pistol, but I would have thought the lethal range of that gun would be a lot less.

I’d believe it more if the fact clarified if the round was a .22 mag.

LOREM IPSUM > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 13:47

Lots of .22 pistols take the LR cartridge, fwiw. Point being, I’m in agreement with you. A well placed shot from a .22 will absolutely drop someone. It just doesn’t have the “stopping power” of a larger caliber round.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 13:52

Yeah, many scenarios. Bottom line is I fear I am going to learn that the dead cop was outgunned.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 13:53

November elections this year ought to be well attended.

BigBlock440 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 13:56

Did you look at the before too?

Also, not to go per capita on you, but America has almost 15x the population that Australia does (14 times), so....

PatBateman > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/18/2018 at 14:00

According to the news, he was. AR-15, handgun, shotgun, and pipe bombs.

Derpwagon > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 14:06

Instead of focusing on the tool, perhaps focus on the wielders?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > PatBateman
05/18/2018 at 14:14

It’s probably too soon for this conversation. My bad, if so. But I called it. I am a teacher. A student brought a handgun to school a few weeks ago and they offered us a stress day. When it’s time for the conversation, you’re one of the guys I’d like to have it with because I’d like to get your input. In the meantime, hug your kids.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > blacktruck18
05/18/2018 at 14:26

social media.... people have always been pretty shitty to eachother...used to be you could get away from them by going home tho

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/18/2018 at 14:33

One can only hope.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Derpwagon
05/18/2018 at 14:36

I’m not disagreeing, I’m saying there is both a mental health crisis and a gun crisis. Now, personally, we’re obviously going to disagree on which is more pressing and what steps we think should be taken - and that’s fine.

BigBlock440 > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero
05/18/2018 at 14:40

Did you hear about the one in Illinois? That pothead was bullied.

Derpwagon > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 16:30

Likely, but I’ll remain civil if you will continue to as well.

I’m obviously in the camp that the mental health issue is more pressing, and I’ll paste my recent post on another forum regarding the same topic. The context is that I asked this question:

“so aside from stripping lawful citizens of their 2nd amendment rights, and focusing on the tools used instead of the wielder, how do you all on the left propose we deal with the mental health issue this country is facing as well as the many document cases of existing laws surrounding firearms not being enforced?”

and received this as a response:

“Better yet, where’s the Conservative suggestion? You don’t like the left’s suggestions, you’ve established that. So what’s your solution? At least we want to do something about it. I don’t like kids getting shot at school. Republicans control the supreme court, the legislative branch, and the executive branch. Either do something about it, or admit that you’re fine with school shootings.”

Which A) didn’t answer my question at all, and B) was a typical response from this individual person. I humored him and responded with this:

“More readily available mental heal assistance for those that need it, especially in schools. Expanded (and trained) school nursing staff who are equipped to deal with initial mental health issues before passing to more qualified experts.

This would require an improved healthcare system, both for the increase in young people with issues and adults seeking help. Both of these things would likely require higher taxes, but I’m perfectly fine paying higher taxes as long as it’s an effective reform in both schools and the healthcare system.

As far as the law enforcement issue, if a department ignores multiple reports about someone and they end up shooting someone, people need to be fired and held accountable. Better training for departments to follow up on calls about people who may be a danger to themselves or others, and pair that with the improved access to mental health treatment.

Another issue on the school side of things is do away with the zero tolerance thing. If someone’s getting bullied mercilessly and they slug someone in the nose, don’t treat them like the sole offender. Allow students to stand up for themselves. Not saying let them go thunderdome on each other but if once in a while a bully got his ass whooped, it shouldn’t result in the end of the world.

‘We gotta do something’ is not a well-reasoned solution. ‘Ban guns or you’re OK with school shootings’ is not a well-reasoned argument.

Anyway the above are the steps that I’d take. What about you?”

Sorry for the word wall. Curious to hear your thoughts about the above. If you’d rather not, that’s fine and have a good day.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Derpwagon
05/18/2018 at 17:26

I’ve no reason to not be. Ha, no worries on the word wall - regarding its contents...

I’ll be the first to admit that I have not put much thought into this whole situation until recently. I also have spend 32.5 of my 34 years staying away from politics because to me, all politicians are the same (left, right or center they are all cut from the same cloth of bullshit). The reason I preface with that is just to say that I’m not as well versed as a lot of people and really just kind of shoot thoughts off the top of my head.

“ Ban guns or you’re OK with school shootings” is, well, idiotic. While, it’s not hard to understand why people say that - especially when a right wing news pundit has basically said he’s okay with it because, “this is the price of freedom” - it defies (my) logical thinking. Especially when there are plenty of people on the right presenting their own opinions of what the pressing issue is, and possible steps to help.

As to law enforcement not acting on information they receive, well I agree that they should suffer serious repercussions. That is assuming, of course, that they didn’t do all they could. Look, sometimes though, it’s just the way the shit works out, they do all they can and in the end, there just wasn’t more they legally could’ve done.

Doing away with zero tolerance: We didn’t have zero tolerance when I was in school, and I don’t have any kids or family member’s kids who are in a zero tolerance school as far as I know. So I’m not sure how widespread it is, or how effective. However, I think I would agree with you on doing away with zero tolerance.

The mental health issue to me touches, as you did, on the more general state of healthcare in our country. Simply, improving the healthcare system and devoting money and resources to mental health specifically (as well as most all other aspects). Be they social programs, school programs, properly trained personnel in schools, free (subsidized) services provided by properly trained individuals, etc.

There’s also the greater issue of just how corrupt and backwards our political system is in terms of pay-to-play, fundraising, etc. That is probably a whole different discussion for a whole different day, but included in that are gun industry lobbyists, donations, etc.

As for the gun control part - Personally, I’d be a-okay with an outright ban and seizure/surrender of weapons nationwide. HOWEVER, I understand and respect the face that 2A simply exists, and has been interpreted judicially in some cases to mean that it gives any American the right to own whatever gun(s) they want - simply making an outright ban/surrender situation virtually impossible. Like I said, I’d be OKAY with that, but I’m not advocating it (unlike some people). So some thoughts of the top of my head:

- Minimum age for gun permits and purchases increased to 21 with the exception of active service members, then the minimum age for them would obviously be 18.
- Invest heavily in the creation and maintenance of a proper, very very detailed national registry which must be accessed for every sale regardless of manner of purchase.
- Heavily and intensely scrutinized background checks for every person seeking to purchase a gun or get a permit regardless of manner of purchase.
- Harsh penalties for sellers who do not conduct the necessary checks.
- Require extensive training and evaluation to secure a permit and require owners to go through the training every 5 years or so in order to renew their permits and must have a mental evaluation every 10-15 years. If they don’t do it (either initially or for the renewal) face very stiff penalties including heavy fines, surrendering of weapons, and possibly jail time depending on their history and weapons cache.
- Allow only a maximum number of guns per person, say 3.
- Only allow handguns and hunting rifles. Outright ban on all other guns and their accessories.
- Outright ban on magazine/clips (whatever) over 5 rounds and any/all accessories meant to make a gun more efficient, powerful, etc. except for scopes for hunting purposes.
- Require, by law, responsible and safe gun storage - including removal of firing pins, storing of pins and safe keys in a separate location within the house.
- Harsh penalties/charges for anyone who fails to properly secure and store their guns resulting in someone else accessing and using them in the act of a crime - including unlicensed family members. For example, the father of the gunman today, currently 10 people died by the hand of his son using guns the father owned. 10 people, 10 years behind bars.
- Any person convicted of most any serious crime be banned from owning a gun or getting a permit.
- Any person with a history of mental illness be banned from owning a gun or getting a permit.

Like I said, just a few thoughts off the top of my head.

DipodomysDeserti > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 20:23

Yeah, those 1st graders at Sandyhook were such dicks to that guy they had never met! And that guy in Vegas...fucking country music and all the shit they put on old white guys!

LOREM IPSUM > DipodomysDeserti
05/18/2018 at 20:36

You think the Sandy Hook shooter had a happy school life? His supposed motivation for killing those young children was a misguided attempt to “save them” from the kind of shit he himself had to endure.

The guy in Vegas, who knows, but it wasn’t a school related matter so not really relevant.

DipodomysDeserti > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 20:51

They, like everyone else who randomly murders strangers, were out of their fucking minds. That’s the point. People don’t do things like this because others are mean to them. Middle class white men are the least oppressed group in America. If you can’t handle your day to day as a middle class white guy in America without thinking about killing people, you’re fucked up. It’s a “you” problem, not a “them” problem. This type of stuff has more to do with control than vengeance or anger.

LOREM IPSUM > DipodomysDeserti
05/18/2018 at 22:22

Right, silly me, I forgot... White people are the problem. *Slaps forehead*

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > LOREM IPSUM
05/18/2018 at 22:55

you should seek psychological help

LOREM IPSUM > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
05/18/2018 at 23:03

You should not give advice.

Derpwagon > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz)
05/18/2018 at 23:47

I’m out of town currently and on my phone so I won’t address everything you’ve proposed but I can’t say I agree with a fair portion of it. Some of what you say (in my state anyhow) is already the law, such as recerts every five years for permit to carry, the minimum age for semi auto and pistols is 21, etc. I’m willing to hear arguments for expanded background checks but am hesitant to outright agree. I do oppose a national registry, limit on magazine capacity, limit to number of firearms, etc.

I do agree on harsher penalties for those who facilitate shootings, keep your shit locked up.

Personally I have several firearms but am trained (military service), keep them secure, and use them for target shooting in most cases, though I do carry occasionally (I have my permit).

I appreciate your stance on being ok with a ban but not advocating for it outright, while I may not agree on several things I can respect a more moderate position like yours.

DipodomysDeserti > LOREM IPSUM
05/19/2018 at 11:31

Yes, white men who shoot strangers are the problem, not the strangers being shot by them.

LOREM IPSUM > DipodomysDeserti
05/19/2018 at 11:52

You are racist. Congrats.

Fwiw, bullying people often results in violent reaction, and if you think that’s limited to white people you’re a bigger part of the problem than you realize.

https://nypost.com/2018/05/18/teen-accused-of-killing-dad-who-teased-her-for-being-fat/

I know, no white man with a gun, no multiple casualties, no care, right?

DipodomysDeserti > LOREM IPSUM
05/19/2018 at 12:39

Killing a specific person who harasses you is not the same as shooting a bunch of strangers who did nothing to you. If you can’t see the difference, then I don’t know what else to tell you. Suicide is a much bigger risk with kids who are bullied than are mass shootings. Definitely a problem, but a much different problem.

LOREM IPSUM > DipodomysDeserti
05/19/2018 at 12:46

You think this kid didn’t know anyone at the school? They were all complete strangers? Highly unlikely.

DipodomysDeserti > LOREM IPSUM
05/19/2018 at 13:04

I have no idea if he knew the people he killed. Investigators haven’t said if he did or not. I know the kid in Parkland didn’t know his victims, and I know the kid at Sandyhook didn’t know his victims. It’s very concerning to me that you seem to be trying to defend the actions of a mass murderer.

LOREM IPSUM > DipodomysDeserti
05/19/2018 at 13:11

If you think I’m defending their actions, you’re very wrong. There is a reason this type of thing happens over and over, and it isn’t white privilege.

Treat people like garbage, talk shit, mock them, snark it up... As a result, they just might snap with horrific results. So, maybe try to treat each other a little better. What’s so terrible about that?

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/21/2018 at 23:44

In line with your post, another member in this thread has a few opinions that I would paraphrase as “bad people on both sides”. I am taken aback that someone could think to blame the victims of this massacre.

I don’t want to date myself, but i graduated before this whole social media stuff took off. I have a couple older siblings ,older couisins and younger cousins and my theory highschool students are the same angsty emotional creatures they’ve always been.

As an educator and a bit more life experience, do you think high school students are shittier now than 20 years ago?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
05/22/2018 at 18:35

Define shittier . I’d say that if anything is shittier , it’s the condition of the middle class. Twenty or fourty years ago, there was a stronger, broader, mostly white, middle class in the US and the public schools were contrived and arranged to serve that much more homogeneous group of kids. As the American middle class has declined, so have their children, academically. And socially. And now, the students know that when they go to school, their odds of being shot dead by a deranged classmate or neighbor are steadily increasing.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
05/22/2018 at 18:35

What was that video about the other day?

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
05/22/2018 at 19:34

more depth how nk is a bit at a platue. the next step would be combining a warhead and missle and doing atmospheric testing, which is nearly impossible without a military response regardless of who would be president. we need a cold war mentality, and think long term.

Also in the other video, the propaganda nk has been pushing for 70 years, prevents kim from making any concessions as they hold him as a god-king and nk as a paradise. Going back, that the talks are mosly to calm rhetoric,

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
05/22/2018 at 21:16

Give them to me again?