This is just to remind you that "V-drive" was a thing.

"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile) 05/14/2018 at 16:28 • Filed to: None

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That is all.

Wacko > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 16:33

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on Vans to make them 4x4.

I think it was on Ford econolines.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Wacko 05/14/2018 at 16:36

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Not just Fords. Here’s a Ford:

Here’s a Chevy:

HammerheadFistpunch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 16:37

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V-drive still a thing

just more boaty.

Cé hé sin > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 16:42

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What, and why, in hell?

lone_liberal > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 16:44

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Didn’t Stubby Bob also use a V-Drive but in a more boat-like application?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > lone_liberal 05/14/2018 at 16:47

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It would seem so. Boat V-drives are very much a thing still, car “V-drives” or possibly more properly “trident drives”, not so much.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Cé hé sin 05/14/2018 at 16:51

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4WD on a platform not requiring low range, and typically with too much difficulty to adapt to related platform 4WD. The two most typical examples being heavy duty Ford and Chevrolet vans. Also a way to get something more akin to a modern AWD.

RallyWrench > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 16:53

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Hell yeah it was. Alfa P3:

Although, with regard to the above...

I guess technically it’s not a V-drive, because it’s all behind the engine, but still...

Also just saw your other responses on Galaxie, gimme a bit.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > RallyWrench 05/14/2018 at 16:57

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There’s also a DAF military vehicle that had a split drive at the transfer case and had separate drivelines up and down the left and right sides.

The Alfa is kind of like how DAF’s cars split power before the actual ratio stage...

Did you like my spergfest on the Ford front suspension cranks?

M.T. Blake > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 16:59

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By the beard of Zeus! What’s this wizardry?! Valetudinarian-drive?!

RallyWrench > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 16:59

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Damn, belt drive? Wacky ass DAF Dutch.

Edited my above post before you responded, just saw the Galaxie stuff too... processing...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > M.T. Blake 05/14/2018 at 17:01

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“Find the Driveline Noise - Expert Edition”

M.T. Blake > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 17:12

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“It’s making a vibration when I’m in 4wd.”

“It’s the front axle drive line.”

“Which one...” (giggles)

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 17:21

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One of those cases where I feel like hydraulic drive would have been a better solution...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > M.T. Blake 05/14/2018 at 17:23

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It’s worse than that. You probably can’t even pin it to the front by disengaging 4wd. It’s full-time AWD with option to lock, if I’m not mistaken. And, it’s a divorced transfer case. So, your options for *new* driveline vibration are:

Hub spline and tightness issues

Kingpin related noise (causing phase issues with the steering U-joint), left or right.

Front suspension related misalignment noise (about four-five possibilities, left or right)

Steering U-joint, left or right.

Transfer box, left or right (input shaft, output shaft *or* gear)

Middle support bracket/mount, left or right

Three U-joints, left or right shaft

Two out-of-balance segments, left or right

Transfer case mounts

Transfer case noise, gears, pinion bearing, 3x output shaft bearings

Transmission-to-transfer-case shaft - balance, two U-joints.

By my count, that’s ~43 separate things more than a 2wd that might go awry and make noise.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Eric @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2018 at 17:25

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It really might be. I just did a quick count, and I think there are over 40 things that could go wrong and start making noise:

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/1826021847

M.T. Blake > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 17:33

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Mother of god... thank god this didn’t last to the modern era...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > M.T. Blake 05/14/2018 at 17:37

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Fortunately, you’d be able to catch about half of those or more just moving your hand down the driveline, checking for motion out of axis and any sloppiness in being twisted. Less fortunately, a certain amount of both is probably normal, so you’d have to... calibrate yourself. Get an idea of what “bad” would be versus natural consequences of a multi-step steel python-drive.

M.T. Blake > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 17:44

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“multi-step steel python-drive”, I giggled

Cé hé sin > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 17:46

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Not just DAF. Panhard used something similar on the EBR.

kanadanmajava1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 18:09

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The first cars to use this kind of setup were actually 2wd. 1932 Alfa Romeo P3 is the first that I know of. The point was the reduction of unsprung weight and better placement for the driver.

Yes, It’s an Alfa Romeo raced by Scuderia Ferrari.

Couple of years later they used the same idea in 1935 Alfa Romeo 16C Bimotore which had two engines and the rear mounted one blocked the place for a normal differential. This car was produced by Scuderia Ferrari from Alfa Romeo parts.

Here’s how the tricky v-drive differential worked. GM’s version is likely quite similar but there’s probably some method to disengage the front drive. Alfa Romeo’s version allowed disengaging the rear engine but it couldn’t be engaged while either of the engines was running.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Cé hé sin 05/14/2018 at 18:10

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And, of course, there’s also this:

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > kanadanmajava1 05/14/2018 at 18:14

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but there’s probably some method to disengage the front drive

You’d think so, but one of the advantages highlighted in the 1972 magazine article I posted, from when the system was under development by Dana, was better function on-road in modern-style AWD operation. So, I don’t believe disengagement was prioritized.

Cé hé sin > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 18:23

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(peers at half remembered Cyrillic letters)

ZIL 135!

Indeed.

kanadanmajava1 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 18:47

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I guess they had to have a second differential in the same package then. This should raise the complexity of the system quite a lot. I’m quite interested to know how it’s made.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/14/2018 at 19:42

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And now it’s on its side in a junkyard. This is appropriate.

Nauraushaun > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 05/16/2018 at 18:08

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