Is this what happened to MH370?

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 05/14/2018 at 15:01 • Filed to: Planelopnik

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60 Minutes Australia says they know what happened. Spoilers ahead.

As has been suspected by others (and myself, fwiw), the report says the captain popped the cabin pressure and killed/incapacitated all the passengers. Then, with a final dip of the left wing so he could see his hometown, he headed out into the Indian Ocean to die. I guess he did it when the FO was out of the cockpit? Or depressurized and died with everybody else? I haven’t watched this yet, but I don’t think it covers any significant new ground, except saying that the pilot flew a very precise course to avoid suspicion before turning off the transponder and disappearing.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:11

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.....Does the pilot have a depressurize/kill everyone button? I vote we get rid of that.

Also, they were clearly either abducted by aliens, raptured to heaven or landed in Atlantis and stayed, because wouldn’t you?

MonkeePuzzle > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 05/14/2018 at 15:13

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CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2018 at 15:14

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lol. When a joke is sadly too close to real life.

Wacko > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:15

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are you sure it’s not called 09 minutes over there

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:16

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This is the off-the-record consensus

ttyymmnn > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 05/14/2018 at 15:18

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From the Internet:

Yes, I think it would be very easy for the pilot in command of a 777 to do this — here’s one scenario:

Ask the copilot to get a glass of water and lock the cockpit door behind him

Don and activate the oxygen mask

Close the engine bleed air valves that supply cabin pressure

Open the controlled outflow valves to equalize cabin pressure to altitude pressure

Put the passenger/supernumerary oxygen to “reset” (or pull the circuit breaker)

Ascend a little bit above the service ceiling of FL 410.

At FL 450, consciousness is measured in seconds, death in about 4 or 5 minutes.

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/2328/could-a-pilot-incapacitate-other-crew-passengers-by-manipulating-cabin-air-quali

ttyymmnn > Wacko 05/14/2018 at 15:18

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It’s all a matter of perspective.

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 05/14/2018 at 15:20

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Does the consensus believe that he was conscious for all those hours? Or did he die too when he popped the cabin? Short of finding the aircraft, and seeing him with an oxygen mask or a bullet in his head, we’ll never know.

user314 > Wacko 05/14/2018 at 15:21

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It’s still 60 minutes, but they count up instead of down.

Wacko > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:22

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Wacko > user314 05/14/2018 at 15:25

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MonkeePuzzle > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 05/14/2018 at 15:27

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oh yeah, what about:

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:28

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My friend the retired P3 test pilot predicted they’d never find the plane.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > MonkeePuzzle 05/14/2018 at 15:28

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I always knew this is how things actually worked.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:28

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What as asshole... like someone ending themselves in a head-on on the highway, just with hundreds more lives involved.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:29

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That is less clear. The airplane is certainly capable of flying to the middle of the ocean by itself, but maybe the pilot, like the Germanwings pilot, liked the spectacle.

CompactLuxuryFan > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:29

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The StackExchange link also says cockpit pressure will be the same as the rest of the cabin, and neither the passenger nor pilot oxygen masks will last much more than 15 minutes, even without sabotage. So he would also have passed out/died not long after the passengers.

This is the stuff of nightmares.

For Sweden > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:29

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Also, LOL NO

user314 > Wacko 05/14/2018 at 15:37

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Except in the US embassy.

M.T. Blake > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:43

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What a dick pilot. Thanks for the update.

wafflesnfalafel > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 15:45

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you are not making me feel any better about flying...

ttyymmnn > For Sweden 05/14/2018 at 16:00

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Actually, it’s the woman who always finds out.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/14/2018 at 16:03

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People who only know Mercator maps have no understanding of just how big the Indian Ocean really is.

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2018 at 16:04

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Any comments you find online about this inevitably descend into “He was a Mooslim jihadist terrorist, obviously.”

ttyymmnn > CompactLuxuryFan 05/14/2018 at 16:06

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From our friends at the FAA:

ttyymmnn > wafflesnfalafel 05/14/2018 at 16:07

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Eh, the odds of your getting on a plane with a deranged suicidal pilot are extraordinary slim to as to be statistically insignificant.

But they aren’t zero.

Jetstreamer > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 16:12

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I’d say you can skip watching it. It seems to be set up with the specific theory that the captain is the bad guy, getting two guys who are fully behind that and disregard the well documented and well stated arguments from the two other guys.

Oh, and there’s a fifth guy who knows about oceans.

They touch on how the captain apparently mass murdered everyone by decompressing the airplane, fail to expand on how that would work as pax and crew would have their own supplies of oxygen to last long enough to question what the hell was going on. He also supposedly made a turn to say bye to his hometown according to the 777 pilot with his home sim... and that was a conclusion that took him 3-4 months and he basically came up with it because he couldn’t think of any other reason. That’s about all the ‘evidence’ you’ll get on that point. Also, the 777 pilot is confident he can safely ditch in 5 meter ocean swells... One of the skygods.

Basically, it’s just a mess and some supposed professionals fumbling around for explanations while guided by the host to fit the producers point of view because human nature doesn’t like mysteries and leaving stuff unexplained.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 16:13

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Not outside the realm of possibility, but those types usually like to make it pretty public why they’re doing what they’re doing.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 16:14

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‘Cause Murica.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > For Sweden 05/14/2018 at 16:15

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Can the pilot depressurize the cabin from the flight station? And pull a breaker to stop the oxygen masks from deploying?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 16:16

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Well, that’s illustrative...

For Sweden > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/14/2018 at 16:16

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Probably not the oxygen masks, but you can turn off the bleed air to the cabin.

ttyymmnn > Jetstreamer 05/14/2018 at 16:17

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Thanks. But, does popping the cabin manually cause the ox masks to drop automatically? Or does the pilot have to command that?

ttyymmnn > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/14/2018 at 16:18

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Exactly.

Jetstreamer > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 16:57

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Cabin can be depressurized by the pilots, but AFAIK you can’t disable the automatic deployment of oxygen masks in the cabin if cabin altitude goes above 13,500ft. I do believe you can pull a circuit breaker to prevent manual deployment. Then again, I am not rated on the 777 and don’t have the manuals with circuit breaker descriptions available.

Even then, the time of useful consciousness tables are generally for a rapid decompression. While suddenly dumping the outflow valve to open is a fairly violent procedure, it’s not as rapid as for example a part of the fuselage leaving the airplane. Not so sure it would knock everyone out fast enough and the change in pressure would alert crew (by simple ear popping for example) that something was off.

Anyway, my point was that this program doesn’t really do the case any justice because it strays away from the facts available and runs with personal convictions from people that have filled in the gaps where no facts exists with there own theories.

Human nature doesn’t like unexplained things. Which leads to us filling in stuff by ourselves with theories and ‘facts’ unfortunately. And people pick a side and say “you can’t prove he was not alive” while the other side says “you can’t prove that he was”. And essentially both sides are equally right and wrong but instead of admitting it could be either, they want to point at someone and say they are doing it wrong. So 777 pilot and Canadian guy point to ATSB guy and say you are looking in the wrong spot and are wrong. ATSB guy is trying to remain professional and explains how the search area came to exist and which factors played a roll. They never excluded a scenario, just deemed it less likely and therefore did not prioritize it. Time will tell if it was right but in the meantime there will be people yelling that they’re doing it wrong.

ranwhenparked > ttyymmnn 05/14/2018 at 19:03

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I thought it was already pretty well accepted based on circumstantial evidence that the pilot intentionally crashed into the Indian Ocean in a murder-suicide. As far as anything specific that happened on the plane up until that point, I don’t see how it could be anything more than pure speculation.

ttyymmnn > ranwhenparked 05/14/2018 at 19:32

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I think they just found some “experts” who went ahead and said that this is what happened. And added some new conjecture.