Political shit.

"Spanfeller is a twat" (theaspiringengineer) 04/04/2018 at 18:26 • Filed to: Not a good look is it...

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Little does he know that we do all the dirty, non-human-rightsy work for the border patrol on our south border and the people going to the US are literally refugees. Shamefully the careful, calculating, calm hand of diplomacy that we so desperately need !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

Or maybe he knows and he just likes sticking the finger to everyone.

It’s probably necessary to point out that other presidents have sent the National Guard to the border before; including Obama. But it was criticized for being inefficient and focus was changed to areal surveillance.... nevermind that Obama and Bush probably sent a notice of the increased activity through something more appropriate than twitter.

So... If you’re illegally immigrating to the US just stay in the planes. (I joke please don’t enter a country illegally if you planned to)

Milky > Spanfeller is a twat 04/04/2018 at 18:45

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But we need to stop the Caravans.

Spanfeller is a twat > Milky 04/04/2018 at 18:47

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Illegal immigrants need to be stopped; everyone agrees. But these people are refugees... Even we can’t touch them.

Otherwise yes... Caravans are dangerous and filled with illegal drugs, stop them!

wafflesnfalafel > Spanfeller is a twat 04/04/2018 at 18:47

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Maybe we can pick up Sonora or Baja like Putin did with the Crimea? (kidding!) Reagan is grumbling from beyond the grave.

Spanfeller is a twat > wafflesnfalafel 04/04/2018 at 18:50

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Given the history of US invasions to 3rd world countries it’s probably better y’all stay out... Or else in 15 years we will be suffering from Mexican ISIS; the cartels but stronger...

Yah, every president rolls in their graves with this guy.

TheRevanchist > Milky 04/04/2018 at 18:50

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Relax. They are just escaping disaster, not trying to drive it.

wafflesnfalafel > Spanfeller is a twat 04/04/2018 at 19:15

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I think I might put Mexico higher than 3rd world too. I work with a guy who’s partner is from Baja - they have a place down in La Pas. It looks damn beautiful.

Spanfeller is a twat > wafflesnfalafel 04/04/2018 at 19:18

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La Paz is amazing, but we need to remember Mexico is a huge country and we can find 1st world places like most parts of Mexico City, Puebla, Cancun, most of Baja California Sur, etc. But some states are really screwed up and it would be unfair to call ourselves an “industrious nation” or a “first world nation” given how fucked up some if it is. 50% of our people are under the poverty line while 14% of the country is very rich.

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 04/04/2018 at 19:24

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If the National Guard is acting under federal orders, they can’t carry out law enforcement duties within the US. This is all theater in order to try and drum up support for his pinche wall.

If a governor deploys their NG, then they’re acting on behalf of the state and are allowed to carry out law enforcement duties. However, this is usually only done for natural disasters or large scale rioting (or protests in the case of Kent State).

coqui70 > Spanfeller is a twat 04/04/2018 at 20:09

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LOL - the Guard has been at the border for a while now - and it hasn’t really hampered those that wanted to cross.

I recommend a thorough search of every member of the caravan. If they’re clean and not an ISIS member trying to pass as a latino then register them and start legal reviews for potential asylum.

Spanfeller is a twat > coqui70 04/04/2018 at 20:14

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I think there’s a common misconception that latinos are infavour of illegal immigration, no. No reasonable person would like to see your laws unenforced for political gain.

Yes, they have to be vetted, and reviewed. If they have a reason to be in the US then they should be given entry. I do doubt that adequate resources will be made available for this and given immigration courts are overseen by the Executive branch I can understand exactly why it could be a problem. But the law should be observed, and they do have other options if the US doesn’t want them for legal reasons, like Mexico.

Spanfeller is a twat > DipodomysDeserti 04/04/2018 at 20:37

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I doubt California will be pleased....

DipodomysDeserti > Spanfeller is a twat 04/04/2018 at 20:58

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Very few migrants try to cross in California on account of the wall that’s already there and the amount of Border Patrol agents in the area. Most cross in the remote deserts of Arizona and Texas. Basically, Border Patrol built up the areas that are easy to cross in order to funnel migrants into the most dangerous areas. The hope was that people would be less willing to cross if they had to cross open desert. Unfortunately, that hasn’t been the case, and Arizona and Texas continue to see record numbers of deaths. It’s hard to record how many people die each year because many that die are never found, but according to the International Organization for Migrants, there were around 412 deaths last year. There were most likely a lot more. Border Patrol has been doing a really shitty job at recording deaths, so the IOM has been investigating deaths themselves by talking with local law enforcement and coroners.

Here’s a pic from the last time I crossed back into San Diego from Tijuana. We got lost in Tijuana and kept driving along the wall trying to find the border crossing. This was 2005 or 06, so the drug war was in full swing.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat 04/04/2018 at 21:10

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Funny, but maybe not funny, that this comes from someone who’s grandfather was effectively a stateless refugee, if I recall.

Kind of like Romney in a way, too.

Teh Penguin of Doom > Spanfeller is a twat 04/07/2018 at 04:29

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I’m a reasonable person who’s in favor of “illegal” immigration, because there’s no other way to clean our shit, build our houses, pick our crops, and to some extent, fix our cars. Of course in an ideal world, we’d have a legalized system to accomplish this (as already exists with limited agricultural worker visas), and the money that currently goes to snakeheads could go to the US government, and the days people spend walking through the desert they could instead spend working productively — but that’s kind of a pipe dream.

Teh Penguin of Doom > wafflesnfalafel 04/07/2018 at 04:34

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Um like we already did with Texas?

Teh Penguin of Doom > wafflesnfalafel 04/07/2018 at 04:38

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1. Third world is an antiquated term. It traditionally meant countries affiliated neither with NATO nor with the Soviet Bloc. Then it meant poor countries. Now I don’t know what the hell it means. It does make more sense than the term “developing countries,” because most “developing” countries aren’t in fact developing.

2. Rule of thumb: the poorer the poor people in a country, the richer the rich people. Have you ever seen the lifestyles of e.g. rich North Koreans, rich Cambodians, rich Turkmen? Way above the usual lifestyles of rich first-worlders.