I did a big skid

"Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo" (akioohtori) 04/02/2018 at 10:00 • Filed to: Oklahoma Adventure Trail, Disco Inferno

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So yeah... that escalated quickly. I’m still not really sure what happened. Best I can tell reviewing the footage, one of the ruts caught my rear tire and started a tank slapper. Then a mix of over-correction and additional ruts caused what you see. Whatever that road was made of, it did not perform as expected either.

Car is ok. Pride is not.

Honestly this has made me..... uncomfortable. It was all going OK and I thought I was saving it until I suddenly didn’t and wasn’t. At the end there steering and brakes we’re doing shit. Could have been so much worse and I’d like to think I did some to make that happen, but seeing the video has made me realize how bad that could have been.

Full video below.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:02

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Did both the inside and outside of your car get coated with a brown muddy looking substance?

Long-Voyager > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:07

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Why’d you lift!?!?!

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:09

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The gif made it look like you were going much faster. Glad everything is ok. Don’t try that at 80. Ask my mom’s old Buick.

Milky > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:10

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So the Renegade is better at dealing with rough roads?

BeaterGT > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:12

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I’m sure handling weight transfer in that beast is not easy, especially in those conditions. Tires are good?

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 04/02/2018 at 10:19

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:poop emoji: Just the driver’s side and my underpants

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > BeaterGT 04/02/2018 at 10:20

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Tires newish A/T, slightly under inflated

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > Milky 04/02/2018 at 10:21

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Light farm tracks anyway haha

Maxima Speed > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:23

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Full Russian! Even have the music.

HammerheadFistpunch > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:57

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I know this sounds stupid but I find that locking the cdl on roads like this decreases the odds of this happening. Keeps the axles going the same speed and linked so if one set decided to step out from the other it’s a faster recovery. With my CDL unlocked I find I rotate the rear much easier

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 10:59

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Eh, I wouldn’t sweat it....it can happen to the best of us. That’s how I felt when I smacked the back of my car into a guardrail on a curve a few years ago after hitting ice. Everything was fine, was a relatively warm winter morning, roads were bare, went around the corner doing 50kph...suddenly the back stepped out, I overcorrected, car flips around the complete other way and backs into the guardrail...$1500 CAD in damage later, all is well again, but at least it wasn’t worse...

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 11:12

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Glad all that was hurt was your pride, I echo what Hammer said. Looks like you were pretty much in 1wd with the rear wheel spinning and causing your arse to pop out like it did.

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 04/02/2018 at 11:27

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4runners are notorious for doing this in awd instead of 4wd..

Mud+speed+tires. Nice runoff though.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 04/02/2018 at 11:52

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I didn’t know that. Makes sense though.

HammerheadFistpunch > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 13:04

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Its a long video and a lot of it is common sense, but there is some really good lesser known tips here when you get the time

Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 21:03

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What you did right: steered into the skid. Hit nothing. Didn’t try to save it so much you dug a wheel and rolled. You handled it almost perfectly.

What you did wrong: Lifted and unweighted your rear wheels when yaw had more influence than your inputs.

Go have a look at any video of a Mustang hunting people outside of a cars and coffee. They don’t truly lose it until they lift and then it really comes around. It’s that brief second where you are the passenger wondering what you’re about to react to that is the problem.

This is all meant constructively add I hope it reads as such.

Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief > Long-Voyager 04/02/2018 at 21:04

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Correct question.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief 04/02/2018 at 21:49

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Thanks, i did take it as constructive. I have wondered what would have happened if I’d stayed on the power. 4wd and traction control can’t really save me if I’m not spinning the wheels. Hoping to get an opportunity to play in a controlled environment sooner rather than later.

Flynorcal: pilot, offshore sailor, car racer and panty thief > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/02/2018 at 22:10

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I was lucky and had a Porsche factory driver as a driving instructor. Lifting in a 911 with the engine in the rear shifts weight but not how you’d expect. Hear me out. This might take a minute.

When you lift the weight shifts forward. However when you lift the rear wheels are no longer pushing the front wheels down. In a 911 lifting results in understeer going right off the other side of the road. The pressure from the rear wheels pushing forward pushes the nose down more than the weight pushing the front down from the weight shift.

Go read that again.

If you’re losing traction overcorrecting exacerbates it. Watch it in action.

Once you see it you’ll never unsee it. Hits gas, adds yaw, unweights the rears, and Shazam!

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/02/2018 at 23:40

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See I would have guessed the opposite as I recall reading 50/50 can get you in trouble decelerating in slippy conditions. Certainly willing to try it though!

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/02/2018 at 23:44

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Thanks! We’ve been enjoying winging it and learning on our own, but after this and doing the K-Trail I think it is time to get serious about adding skill and technique. We didn’t get in trouble, but we had some avoidable mishaps. [pic unrelated]

HammerheadFistpunch > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/03/2018 at 00:38

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That was my gut feeling to, but hey it works.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 04/08/2018 at 21:19

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Just finished it. Some really good stuff. Makes me realize how much the Disco is like easy mode.

Rufant > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 04/12/2018 at 03:57

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This is key imo. Get used to the feeling of a car sliding and your corrections will become more measured. It doesn’t really matter whether it is on dirt or bitumen, you’ll just get more of a feel for the amount of correction and rate of reaction for the slide.

I regularly try and lock up brakes or unsettle the car just to feel where the limit of grip is before you reach it.

You’ll always make mistakes, and get caught out. But exposing yourself to these situations is the only way to build up the skills and experience to deal with them when they happen. Somewhere where there is little chance of connecting with anything is perfect.

Same with anything where you feel out of your depth, only one way you are going to get more comfortable with it...

Not trying to be a wanker, I’ve made plenty of mistakes. I wrote my Mum’s car off 1 week after passing my drivers test!