Impressions after spending two minutes with an F10 M5

"AMGtech - now with more recalls!" (amgtech)
03/29/2018 at 16:20 • Filed to: None

Sounds considerably less impressive than a 90's Silverado with rusty exhaust. Interior feels marginally nicer than a CLA, but nowhere near as nice as a C-class. Seats are adequate, I guess. I like the blue calipers.

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Conclusion: why would you but this over an E63? It’s not even on the same level.

And no, I don’t hate BMW. I fact, I would love to open an E34 and E39 M5. But I don’t because parts cost, extra pain to work on them over my 55, and overall reliability versus my 55. And a Z8. Clown shoes are fun. The new stuff is junk though.

DISCUSSION (35)

Chariotoflove > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 16:24

Whenever I have sat in a BMW, my reaction to the interior has always been, “yeah, this is okay.”

Decay buys too many beaters > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 16:28

Amen!

The E60 generation was around the same level as the MB equivalents, but it has been steeply downhill since. FWIW I still use my E39 as the benchmark to which I compare all interiors (which was higher quality, at 16 years old, than most modern cars)

Spanfeller is a twat > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 16:29

the f10 is a very old design; Do you think it feels worse than the interior of a W212?

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 16:34

Bonus Grand Marquis:

RallyWrench > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 16:36

BMW hasn’t built a worthwhile automobile since about 2003, as far as I’m concerned, certainly nothing I’d buy to keep, with the only exception being the E9x M3. These twin turbo S63 V8s are pieces of shit. F10 528i’s with the 2.0 feel like a rental car. Kids, lawn, etc.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Spanfeller is a twat
03/29/2018 at 16:39

That’s mainly what I was hoping to compare it to since they were direct competitors. 212 is on a different level. Especially facelifted ones, same year as this F10, 2015 I think.

Spanfeller is a twat > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 16:43

I mean, out of the lot the A6 felt the most luxurious to me when I sat in them; the Audi has the best interior in my perspective and then the BMW and the mercedes fight it out. But then it depends what kind of interior was spec’d. To me the w212 dash always felt dated where the bmw one didn’t feel that bad.... plus, the mechanical sister F06 has an amazing interior....

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Decay buys too many beaters
03/29/2018 at 16:58

Agreed on the E60. But I think you might’ve gotten lucky on your E39. 210's are higher quality (facelifted ones, with leather at least) though the design is dated.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Spanfeller is a twat
03/29/2018 at 17:06

I’m comparing M5 to E63 here, same year. So not like top spec Benz to base bimmer. Haven’t sat in recent Audis other than a 2014 RS5 or an R8. I always thought BMW dates looked dated because they all follow the exact same design and layout going back like 30 years. 212 to me feels nice and classy.

WilliamsSW > Spanfeller is a twat
03/29/2018 at 17:13

I’ve spent some time in the W212 (post facelift) and F10, and I like the W212 interior a lot better, personally.

The G30 has taken a big step forward from the F10 - but the W213 is just fucking brilliant, so BMW is still behind (and I’m a BMW fan boy to an extent).

I did drive a new S5 Sportback recently, and it’s pretty nice, but not quite as nice as the C or E class.

Spanfeller is a twat > WilliamsSW
03/29/2018 at 17:25

The new merc is hands down winner... I guess we can agree there

Decay buys too many beaters > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 17:27

I don’t know, most e39s I see wear pretty well.

Unless you get the grey interior, but Jesus Christ, why would you go and do that?

Spanfeller is a twat > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 17:29

Only good bmw dash nowadays is i8 ..

The new w213 is way better

WilliamsSW > Spanfeller is a twat
03/29/2018 at 17:31

I would go so far as to say that the W213 is the best of *any* current car that I can think of.

Spanfeller is a twat > WilliamsSW
03/29/2018 at 17:37

Nah, S class coupe, maybe DB11

WilliamsSW > Spanfeller is a twat
03/29/2018 at 17:41

Those are both nice, for sure- -and are 2-3x the cost of a W213. The fact that you can make a case for the E-Class against them at all is impressive.

Spanfeller is a twat > WilliamsSW
03/29/2018 at 17:41

You said any current car

Saracen > Spanfeller is a twat
03/29/2018 at 17:41

I love the E63's.

Audi-wise, I’m quite biased there, but I’m biased for a reason...they make fantastic dailies and their interiors are always so, so nice.

The C7 S6 is a lot of car for the money. I’d take it over an F10 M5 in a heartbeat.

WilliamsSW > Spanfeller is a twat
03/29/2018 at 17:44

Oh, I know - and I’m not saying you’re wrong, it’s all opinion anyways. TBH, it’s not like I’ve spent any time in the S-Class or DB11, though I have driven most of the cars that compete with the E-Class.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Decay buys too many beaters
03/29/2018 at 17:46

Oh right I was thinking E34. Those don’t hold up well. But jeez I can’t even tell them apart without looking at them in person they’re so similar!

Spanfeller is a twat > WilliamsSW
03/29/2018 at 17:46

I’ve sat in an S class coupe and I swear my butt did not feel worthy.

Decay buys too many beaters > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 17:46

Boxy era BMW borrowed heavily from the Porsche school of design. (Change nothing, fine, maybe an engine once in a while)

PS9 > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 18:13

“Interior feels marginally nicer than a CLA.”

The last CLA I sat in had an interior that made the Hertz-spec 4 cyl rental accord I tried next feel like a Bentley. This right here is a SERIOUS burn against the BMW. Fuggin’ ouch.

His Stigness > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 19:04

I smog all the cars for the local BMW and Mini dealer, and it’s rather sad how poor the interior quality is. I’ve seen off lease 7 Series with worn out buttons and peeling trim everywhere. This in comparison to a W220 with at least 80k miles that looks great for its age.

BMW’s have always been kind of crap in my mind. And working on them every day for a few years didn’t help.

Audi has gotten a lot better, but I still think they’re kind of a waste of money when Mercedes exists. The fact that my Golfs have as nice, if not nicer, interiors than most of the expensive Audis is sad since they have the same overlord. The guys in Ingolstadt need to pull their heads out of their asses.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > PS9
03/29/2018 at 19:27

Exactly.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > His Stigness
03/29/2018 at 19:29

And 220's are the most unloved S-class with probably the worst interior (for an S-class). All you get for buying a 7 series is extra space, they’re not any nicer than anything else.

His Stigness > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 19:38

Waaaaa?!?!?!? The 220 is my favorite and I want an S65 because why the hell not!

The 7 Series, I don’t care which one, is just a pile of horrible parts that never, ever work.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > His Stigness
03/29/2018 at 21:48

Yup! 221 and 126 probably get the most love. But you could have a 221 S65 which is better in every way possible!

Totally. Dumpster fires. Every last one of them.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > His Stigness
03/29/2018 at 21:48

Although an E38 on M-parallels is a damn fine looking automobile.

His Stigness > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 22:33

Damn it I meant 221. And after I sent that comment I smogged a 221 with 100k miles, and holy damn it was clean. And I don’t think it was from the owner taking care of it. The 220 is always in less than stellar condition, but still way better than all the brand new 7 Series I smog.

Can you guess which BMW never seems to pass smog and always requires a shit ton of work and usually requires techs from Germany?

*drools* I love E38 LWB on M wheels. So pretty. But they’re still pieces of shit so I’d rather have a tastefully lowered 540 E34 on M wheels.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > His Stigness
03/29/2018 at 22:44

Ha! No worries

Bangle butt 7's!

His Stigness > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/29/2018 at 23:29

You know, now that I think about it, in the two years I’ve done smogs full time (on average 20 cars a day, six days a week), I’ve only seen one Bangle Butt, and I failed it HAHAHAHA! And I failed it for the snap test (snap the throttle three times to check for excessive smoke from the crankcase or the tailpipe).

I wonder why I don’t see more...

But the oldest 7 I’ve gotten from the BMW dealer is a 2012 . A customer actually brought in a 2014ish and it failed and apparently to get it to pass BMW replaced the whole engine. There was another 2015ish that they had issues with and the foreman even called me and begged for my help. I found that funny. Sad, but funny.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > His Stigness
03/30/2018 at 01:14

I’ve heard a lot of similar stuff from BMW techs. The newer motors are just garbage apparently.

His Stigness > AMGtech - now with more recalls!
03/30/2018 at 01:39

The customers are less than pleased about it.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > His Stigness
03/30/2018 at 02:53

I can’t imagine why!