This Is Not a Drill

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 03/03/2018 at 12:23 • Filed to: None

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I’m a teacher. I don’t get paid to take a bullet for anyone. I also don’t get paid to take my revolver to work and address a shooter with it. I resent what this commentator, along with the editorial discretion of the local NPR station, would project upon me. A decision to put oneself at risk on behalf of another is a sacred decision and nobody else’s business.

You can see my reply comment on the NPR website, if you are interested.

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CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 12:39

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I feel so bad for you and really everyone in your nation. It really makes me sick, but thankful I live in Canada.

My bird IS the word > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 12:40

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Anybody who does weapons training knows that this is dumb. You gotta train a shitton to be any good in a situation like this. I wish there was intelligence on both sides of the argument, but it seems that politicians are more concerned with distraction than philosophical discussion.

rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 12:41

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What surprised me is that she wasn’t aware lockdown drills have always been routine.

Spanfeller is a twat > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 12:47

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No.

No.

We, the other parts of NA, suffer because of American gun legislation in the form of illegally imported firearms. We have the right and the obligation of participating here.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > My bird IS the word 03/03/2018 at 12:53

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They’re concerned only about getting 51% of the vote in the next election, and if their opponent wins, then all the better.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 12:54

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None of this is enough to make me want to renounce my citizenship and move to Canada nor anywhere else.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI 03/03/2018 at 12:55

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This woman, and the local NPR station’s editorial filtering, give Liberals their well-earned bad name.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 12:58

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give it another year! lol

Textured Soy Protein > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 12:59

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As perhaps the anti-gun-est oppo member, I took this article as a bunch of platitudes about heroism and not worth a serious thought.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 12:59

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Once we’ve vanquished you in a trade war that was fun and easy for us to win?

Mercedes Streeter > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:01

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I work with teachers and school administrators daily. Most of them are terrified. These are educators, not people trained in active shooter environments with an extreme potential to cause massive casualties. It’s insane that we would put that burden on people who already have an immense responsibility, often with little pay.

Arming educators is a band-aid, not the solution. I mean, we had a perfect example this week with an active shooter situation where it was in fact the teacher.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:01

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:( why can’t we all just get along?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Textured Soy Protein 03/03/2018 at 13:02

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Personally? I think it’s okay for you to be anti-gun. FWIW...

Lots of gun zealots sit around and fantasize about how they’ll use their pocket pistol some day and kill a bad guy and maybe get famous on YouTube. I view this commentator’s fantasizing as the same, but from the opposite end. Just the same sort of get-a-life musing.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:08

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Not so sure. Britain, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Japan and China are looking at whether we should impose similar tariffs regarding the 25% on steel and 10% tariff on aluminium.

Either way, the U.S. consumer would be worse off.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43267520

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43257712

A spokesperson for 10 Downing Street said the UK is “engaging” with the US on what Mr Trump’s tariff announcement means in practice.

“We are particularly concerned by any measures which would impact the UK steel and aluminium industries,” the spokesperson said.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4, UK Steel’s head of policy Richard Warren said the announced move would have a “significant impact” if it went ahead.

French economy minister Bruno Le Maire meanwhile said there would “only be losers” in a trade war between the US and the EU.

Mr Le Maire did however also call for a “strong, coordinated and united response from the EU”.

European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker promised to react firmly.

“We will not sit idly while our industry is hit with unfair measures that put thousands of European jobs at risk,” he said.

China also condemned the move, with a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson saying: “If all countries followed the example of the United States, [it] will undoubtedly result in a serious impact on the international trade order.”

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Mercedes Streeter 03/03/2018 at 13:08

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Arming teachers is ludicrous.

Pay. I’ve been at it for fifteen years and my pay is decent, especially considering how not a real job it is. I’ve driven my family cross country three different times and people with real jobs simply can’t do something like that. Most teachers have never held a real job and don’t know how good they have it. Instead, their captors, the unions, brainwash them into whining about how unappreciated they are, yada-yada-yada.

Pay. If you complete your degree in Computer Science or Physics or Math, and I complete my degree in Comparative Literature or History or Art, and you and I each go out and get real jobs in our respective areas, who’s going to command the higher salary? In teaching, we get Exactly. The. Same. That’s going to raise my salary while it lowers yours. Simple, really.

facw > rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI 03/03/2018 at 13:09

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Define always? They definitely have not always been a thing everywhere in the US. Even post-Columbine we never had one in any of the schools I attended.

DipodomysDeserti > rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI 03/03/2018 at 13:10

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I work at a school and we have never had a lockdown drill...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 13:11

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Why not, indeed?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 13:12

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Just in case you missed it, I was being a sarcastic troll, making fun of our Dear Leader. (And waiting for the conservative commentators to get busy explaining away 45's actions.)

Textured Soy Protein > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:13

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On second thought, she’s putting on a public performance of what she believes to be her ability to empathize with the teacher. The problem is,

“I feel for this teacher who is in the position of protecting my kid when his kid is also a student at the school,”

Is not long enough for an article, or emotional enough of an appeal, so she has to go into detail on what she thinks he’s thinking.

And she has no idea what he’s thinking.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:19

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Ye’, sorry, that was my sarcasm in reply to yours.

I just gave my sarcasm a bit more info. Lol.

We really should get an emoji or something for this. :)

Mercedes Streeter > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:21

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Oh yeah, I know a lot of our districts have decently well-paid Staff. One of my districts has a middle school principal pulling in six figures. Almost every teacher there also makes a decent bit more than me too.

Then I look at some of our more underfunded districts and see that they’re struggling just to provide a full course catalogue, let alone pay.

It seems to vary district to district?

I’m jealous of the courses high schoolers can take these days. One of our districts has an aviation elective, another has robotics, and one has a class where they build a car from scratch!!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Textured Soy Protein 03/03/2018 at 13:27

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The existence of the piece on the radio is inappropriate, IMHO.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 13:27

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No, you should cook me breakfast.

Rico > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:28

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So not only do you have to babysit, socially adjust, teach, guide, mentor, provide therapy, etc. but now you have to take a bullet for the kids? Teachers really don’t get paid enough in this world.

AestheticsInMotion > DipodomysDeserti 03/03/2018 at 13:28

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Really? Must be a regional thing. They’ve been happening in the Seattle area for at least the last 15-20 years

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Mercedes Streeter 03/03/2018 at 13:30

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Electives. That’s an interesting topic. Since shop classes went out of vogue, and the entire pipeline of such teachers withered and went away, there’s now a need for elective classes and in my experience, just about any teacher who wants to put one together can offer one and if it’s good, lots of kids will sign up for it and the teacher can wind up teaching several sections of that elective. But if that elective is Wood or Metal or Auto, the shops are all gone, consolidated to county occupational learning centers, which are as much of a joke as they were when I went to high school in the early 80s.

(I’m sounding kind of opinionated today, aren’t I?)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Rico 03/03/2018 at 13:33

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I’m actually totally okay with that entire list, except for the taking a bullet part. The rest? I love the kids and they love me and they will remember me for the rest of their lives and that’s kind of fulfilling. And I like the math I teach, too. And my pay is fairly decent, given all the time off I’m afforded.

So except for the guns and the bullets, I’m good. Really good.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:34

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I’ve mentioned in other posts, but arming teachers is a top-level solution to a deeply rooted problem.

While people are quickly attacking the possession of firearms, what should also be considered is the infrastructure that we have for helping people who are mentally not in the best of shape.

For people in school, the guidance counselor(s) at many schools is the biggest aid that can be given to a student free of charge. Teachers who work with a student should keep an eye out for any behavior that’s just not the same - whether it be depression or frustration. A teacher that pays attention to their students and is willing to listen to them and try to help them immensely reduces their stress - especially when they feel like their teacher cares about them and their progress. Source: my experience in high school. I already had eyes on me, partly because I requested it, and partly because my mother requested it. However, from what I could tell, many of the teachers at my school were willing to go out of their way if it seemed one of their students was in distress.

For adults, the available amount of help is... quite slim. Most if not all therapists charge a pretty tall fee. Good therapists know how to work their way into your mind, and open you up in a way that you feel comfortable talking to them about your problems. However they tend to be few and far between, and even fewer still when narrowed down by “who accepts my insurance?” (S ource: my own search for therapists outside of high school. ) I don’t know if there’s any programs that allow for more of a “public” therapy system, but I think if one of those was to be publicized for people who struggle and enacted in a large enough scale, it might just stem the tide.

wkiernan > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:35

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You know the only reason anybody at all is blathering about a campaign of arming public school teachers is as an idiotic and grossly trollish distraction from any discussion of the main issue, that being, should the Federal government prohibit the unrestricted sale of combat rifles* and their high-power anti-personnel ammunition, so that it’s no longer easier for any teenage psycho to get those things than a six-pack of beer.

* for those endlessly annoying fetishistic purists, “pseudo-combat-rifles,” YES I KNOW, NO FULLY-AUTOMATIC FIRE, SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:35

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Cumberland Sausage, bacon and eggs okay?

Cumberland Sausage is a lightly spicy and peppery sausage.

Rico > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 13:37

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My point is teachers often provide even more than what parents provide their own children. To expect even more is ridiculous. And agreed we do remember you guys for the rest of our lives and whenever I see my old teachers I tell them the same thing. Thanks for all that you do.

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 13:38

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I suspect many of the guns in the Surrey war zone come from Murka.

We export guns to Canuckistan, you export money launderers hiding in real estate to Murka.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > winterlegacy, here 'till the end 03/03/2018 at 13:40

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I worked in a REALLY messed-up high school in Oakland, as an assistant principal. We had a fence around the entire place (though somebody had a cutter an routinely cut access holes in that fence) and while we had some wild things occur inside the fence, generally, you could really tell that the kiddos felt relatively safe there. And we had mediation protocols in place so that kiddos could have a path to back away from the precipice when there was conflict.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > fintail 03/03/2018 at 13:40

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They 100% are. At least we are wrecking each others countries on a fair and balanced level!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > wkiernan 03/03/2018 at 13:42

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Well, I’m glad you got that off your chest. It’s a big topic.

But this lady’s (uninformed) fantasies are no more healthy nor constructive than the gun person who sits around and daydreams about, lusts for , the day when they can use their pocket pistol to plug a bad guy. And be a hero.

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 13:43

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You’re more likely to be shot, and I can’t afford a house. It all works out :)

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > fintail 03/03/2018 at 13:44

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I can’t afford a house either, and I maybe shot. Kinda a lose for me!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 13:44

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Shouldn’t there be a some sort of carbohydrate with that? And jam or jelly?

fintail > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 13:44

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I’m still more likely to be shot, but then again, I don’t know if the US is even pretending to be a mature legitimate first world country anymore.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Rico 03/03/2018 at 13:46

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You’re certainly welcome. I’m just lucky that I get to do a job that I enjoy, that isn’t too hard, and that pays decent. And I genuinely enjoy the kiddos.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 14:18

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I was going to do some fried bread but changed my mind.

Jelly? Jelly is for ice cream.

Jam, preserve or configure is what you have with bread, toast, crumpets, etc...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 14:27

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That’s why I included the key conjunction or .

Anyhow, I can’t eat all of that fat without some carbs to wash them down.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 14:32

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Ye’, but now I really want jelly and ice cream. :(

Carbs, I have just the thing to wash it down.

DipodomysDeserti > AestheticsInMotion 03/03/2018 at 14:35

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I’m at a private school, so that’s more likely why. My kids do them at their public school.

promoted by the color red > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 14:36

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It’s interesting to see how “Bay Area” some of these KQED Perspectives are.

I remember there was one about a guy who insisted on going 55 in the slow lane, others be damned, just because and a lady who claimed to understand racism because people liked her white dog and not her friend’s black dog.

rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI > DipodomysDeserti 03/03/2018 at 14:45

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Interesting. I went to private school and we did them the whole time I was there, so at least ~10 years back.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 15:08

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Well, I happen to think that would be the perfect wash, but I have chosen not to consume alcohol any more, so maybe just a glass of water and an English muffin.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > promoted by the color red 03/03/2018 at 15:10

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I gave a perspective once upon a time, but I realize now that I was a dupe. All of them are one guy named Mark Trautwein and he brings in one type of person and I generally do not listen. I emailed him today and I am curious to discover whether or not I will get a reply. It was a thoughtful email, not a rant. (The kind and gentle ass whippings are always the most effective.)

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 15:13

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When you say “jelly,” are you speaking of gelatin, what we generically refer to in this country as Jello?

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 15:22

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Sigh......

Yes, our jelly is what you guys call jello. Lol.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 15:23

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When you say English muffin, are you referring to the thing only Americans seem to eat and tell people it’s English when the only time we eat them is at McDonalds on the breakfast menu?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Svend 03/03/2018 at 15:39

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I want jelly and ice cream now too. All your fault.

DipodomysDeserti > rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI 03/03/2018 at 15:45

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There is practically no oversight of private schools, so some of them kind of do their own thing.

Svend > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 15:46

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Did you ever have jelly and ice cream with sprinkles on when you were a kid? Or mix some fruit in?

Oh man I want some jelly and ice cream.

Svend > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 16:11

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YAY. I’ve just found some raspberry glitter jelly.

PINK, RAPSBERRY, GLITTER, JELLY. Awesome.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 16:28

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Yes. There must be something similar...

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 16:45

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Till I saw them in McDonalds I had never even heard of English Muffins or indeed muffins. Definitely not a northern England thing then.

I assumed they were in reference to crumpets, but they are nothing alike.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > winterlegacy, here 'till the end 03/03/2018 at 17:15

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and on top a that except for disciplinary action a lot of involvement requires parents approval. I have a friend whos a social worker and expected her to spend all day in poor towns, but her response was “you’d be surprised how much time I spend in (insert obscenely rich town)“. She couldn’t discuss particular cases, but absent parents with quite a bit of money cover up “but not my kid! He doesn’t have a problem” very well.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > facw 03/03/2018 at 17:16

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My school was doing them after columbine

rillweid - Now with more TRD and less TDI > DipodomysDeserti 03/03/2018 at 19:30

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I have plenty of experience with that part as well. Maybe you should suggest doing lock down drills because in my case that is one of the two we actually had to use in real life. We had two lock downs in my school career, IIRC one tornado one(although where I live there are no real tornadoes). Thankfully no fire problems ever.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/03/2018 at 20:27

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Is a crumpet sweet?

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/03/2018 at 20:33

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No, sort of a slightly doughy textured piece of bread. Flat on the bottom with bubbly top.

Toasted then spread some butter on top and maybe some jam for flavour.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Svend 03/03/2018 at 22:12

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I still have ice cream with fruit (but never jelly I must admit). You’re never too old for ice cream

Svend > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 03/03/2018 at 22:56

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So true.

I used to love raspberry ripple but nobody does a proper one any more, it’s all ruddy chocolate chunk mint ice cream or ruddy rocky road or arty farty flavour.

I’m turning into a right grumpy old git.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/04/2018 at 00:34

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So that’s a crumpet?

O.C., to Mrs. O.C.: “Have you ever had a crumpet?”

Mrs. O.C.: “Yes.”

O.C.: “How would you describe it?”

Mrs. O.C.: “Like an English muffin. That’s what we call crumpets. I’m sure they’re not as delicious though.”

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2018 at 05:44

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I’d describe a muffins as firm and covered in like a baked powder, while a crumpet has a ‘bouncey’ feel if not a slightly plastics to the touch feel. I can send you some over. Warbutons do a pack that is sealed and comes with around two weeks life on them. More than enough to get to you.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Svend 03/04/2018 at 11:02

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Send me some crumpets??

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2018 at 11:07

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Yeah.

Svend > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 03/04/2018 at 18:05

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I got your e-mail and dismiss your comment to delete the e-mail address from here.