"CB" (jrcb)
02/20/2018 at 21:51 • Filed to: None
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"CB" (jrcb)
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For comparison, the competition (in Canadian dollars):
Audi A5 Sportback: $47,950
BMW 430i: $55,800
Buick Regal: $31,945
Kia Stinger: $44,195
Any liftbacks in the Canadian market that I’m missing? Because, to me, the Arteon seems like a lot of coin for the brand it comes from and for the market it competes in.
Spanfeller is a twat
> CB
02/20/2018 at 22:07 |
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Can you get any of those with a suede headliner?
Oh, only the Kia.
Competition over.
Full disclosure: I have a Kia.
Discerning
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/20/2018 at 22:12 |
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Is the suede headliner in the Kia a real quality leathery suede?
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/20/2018 at 22:12 |
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You could also get a suede headliner on the Cadillac DTS, so yeah.
Milky
> CB
02/20/2018 at 22:15 |
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To me it just seems like a Passat with a lift back for a lot more money.
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Spanfeller is a twat
> Discerning
02/20/2018 at 22:15 |
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To my judgment it is rather good; make me touch that suede and the one in a Ferrari and I wouldn’t be able to reliably tell you the difference.
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Spanfeller is a twat
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
02/20/2018 at 22:16 |
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Not on the list, nor for sale new at the moment.
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CB
> Milky
02/20/2018 at 22:17 |
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But when you buy one, you can show off your wealth of an alright vehicle that just lost 25% of its value and will continue to depreciate like the Titanic heading towards the ocean floor.
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Spanfeller is a twat
> Milky
02/20/2018 at 22:33 |
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It aint!
Small secret
Passats sold in North America have chasis code NMS! This arteon might be based on a Passat but it’s code MQB.
Big secret
The NMS SUCKS and was made to compete a tire below the arteon and the MQB european passat.
Svend
> CB
02/20/2018 at 22:43 |
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The VW Arteon is a more stylish VW Passat.
And worth every penny in my books. Tes it’s more expensive than the Passat but it’s better looking, more practical with the liftback tailgate, etc...
The Arteon also has more vibrant colours too.
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CB
> Svend
02/20/2018 at 22:44 |
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Yeah, but when you can get an A5 Sportback for around the same price, you have to wonder if maybe their pricing is off.
Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> CB
02/20/2018 at 22:49 |
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VW has been pricing their vehicles too high for quite some time. They’re always dancing with the idea that they’re a near-premium brand (see the Phaeton, the CC, price tag on a Touurreggg).
But I will say that the VW looks better than the A5.
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Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> CB
02/20/2018 at 22:50 |
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You, too, can be the next Jkm!
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CB
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
02/20/2018 at 22:52 |
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Unfortunately, VW has one hell of an identity crisis. “We’re the people’s car, who makes the Beetle and the Golf and Jetta (which had rear drums for a long time)! Would you like to spend $50k on a sedan, or $60k for an SUV from a company that just recently lied to its customers about the abilities of its products?”
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CB
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
02/20/2018 at 22:52 |
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But I’m happy with my automotive situation.
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Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> CB
02/20/2018 at 22:56 |
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That’s why you gotta buy the Vaporeon.
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CB
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
02/20/2018 at 22:57 |
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I mean, in yellow, isn’t it a Jolteon?
Ash78, voting early and often
> CB
02/20/2018 at 22:58 |
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Isn’t this just the CC warmed over?
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Svend
> CB
02/20/2018 at 23:00 |
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In the U.K. the Arteon is from £30-40,000 while the A5 Sportback is £30-50,000. So while it comes in at the top end of the Passat it fits in the lower end of the A5 Sportback.
It also has 85 litres more luggage capacity.
I think there pricing is probably trying to recuperate some of the money spent to put it through federal testing and import tariffs.
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Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> CB
02/20/2018 at 23:02 |
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Wow, no need to make it about color.
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Milky
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/20/2018 at 23:02 |
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Forgot about the euro Passat and how we get a worse one. I hate that.
But still don’t see the premium price making sense on a VW.
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Spanfeller is a twat
> Milky
02/20/2018 at 23:18 |
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Well, they can achieve incredible things! I wouldn’t doubt for a second that the Arteon has as good a leather as any Audi! I guess that brand stigma is a bigger issue here in North American than in Europe where VW could sell Phaetons and Touaregs all day long....
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> CB
02/20/2018 at 23:41 |
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3 and 6GT? Ugly liftbacks, but still liftbacks nonetheless.
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Milky
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/20/2018 at 23:52 |
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To be fair their stigma is unreliable cheaters.
To double down, that chassis goes from the Polo to the Arteon, the A5's goes from the A4 to the Urus. I know what one I’d pick.
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Spanfeller is a twat
> Milky
02/21/2018 at 00:17 |
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*Milky points out the existence of MLB*
...
*It’s super effective!*
Why yes! the MLB platform certainly exists! Personally I would do the same choice as you mentioned, buying MLB over MQB!
However, making an MLB car is more expensive than an MQB car, the Audi A5 that CB points out is probably the cheapest version, given that the Arteon is going to be VW’s north american flagship, I suspect that it will come only with the potent, 280hp 2.0l TSI and AWD. The 2.0 incidentally finds itself detuned to 252hp in the A5!
I akin the Arteon to the Lexus ES and the A5 to the IS
The ES is based on the Camry platform and it is cheaper than the IS engine by engine.
If we configured the Arteon and the A5 with the same engines in their most basic trims in the Spanish configurator (the 190hp 2.0 TDI FWD in both) the A5 comes in at about 2500 euros more expensive. The most expensive petrol versions of both (non S5 tho); the 2.0 quattro S line, and the 2.0 4motion R-line, have a price gap of almost 10,000 Euros!
I may remind you that the audi still has a detuned version, but nothing a quick ECU flash can’t change! specially when talking about VW’s 2.0 engine.
But most consumers might not know that, and we need to remind ourselves that to many the ES is a great Lexus! They don’t care if its a transversely mounted engine,front wheel drive car! So I can totally see a place for the Arteon in the ranks of the near-luxury segment! Yet we need to remind ourselves that the Canadian pricing probably refers to an Arteon that will give you a mighty bang for buck.
So Its OK for me, I think it’s better suited a tier below the A5 because of the MQB vs MLB thing we just analyzed, but hey, the Buick and the Stinger have nothing to do in that segment either! Those are cars with a great bang/buck ratio and not for true blue blooded consumers that would scoff such propositions.
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Milky
> Spanfeller is a twat
02/21/2018 at 09:21 |
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Detuned engine sucks but yea Id still go A5 over Arteon, IS over ES, CTS over XTS, etc.
#PlatformsMatter
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Spanfeller is a twat
> Milky
02/21/2018 at 10:04 |
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#RealSedansAreLongitudinal
BJ
> CB
02/21/2018 at 10:17 |
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The Arteon is much more attractive than the A5. That’s the extent of my opinion on the matter.