Gunlopnik:Need Oppopinions

"OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars" (jakeauern) 02/19/2018 at 21:34 • Filed to: None

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Wife and I want to buy a sub compact.

SIG P938 or Kimber Micro. Both 9mmz

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:40

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I would advise against the Versa.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:41

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Subcompact? Why not Mazda 2?

CB > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:42

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I like the Micra, personally, but you can’t get those in the states.

DipodomysDeserti > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:44

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Subcompacts are a bad idea for new shooters. I’m assuming you’re a new shooter based on you asking for gun advice on a car blog.

pip bip - choose Corrour > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:46

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Why not a Chevy Aveo?

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:46

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(but seriously.... get something you can use as a club too.... bullets aint gonna be round for ever you know)

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:53

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Personally I’m a fan of the Fiesta.

E90M3 > DipodomysDeserti 02/19/2018 at 21:53

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I think it’s more the fact that oppo has a very diverse membership and the fact that usually someone has experience in some area.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > pip bip - choose Corrour 02/19/2018 at 21:54

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Because it’s a fucking miserable turd. Just ask Roberto...

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:54

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For what intended use?

For concealed carry I own a Walther PPS in 9mm, and it is a supremely good weapon. Small enough and flat enough to conceal well (and I’m not a large guy), yet just large enough to allow a full grip and handle like a full-sized pistol. It is also just big enough to be pleasant to shoot, which encourages practice. On mine the trigger was pretty gritty out of the box, but it broke in very nicely after some rounds had been run through it. Also, the paddle magazine release works very well once you put in the practice to make it muscle memory.

Years later, it still has that German feel that someone put some care and effort into making it, and there isn’t a tooling mark to be found on it. For that reason, between the two you listed I’d go with the SIG. I’ve not handled a SIG firearm that didn’t have impeccable craftsmanship.

whoarder is tellurium > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:55

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I dont like either option but I guess the SIG.

Kimber sucks- avoid at all cost.

Also, why not M&P Shield 9mm or Glock 43?

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 21:56

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Might be a little bigger than what you want but how about a Prius c

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > DipodomysDeserti 02/19/2018 at 21:57

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This, on the subcompacts for new shooters.

E90M3 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2018 at 22:01

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He’s still around!?!?!?

MUSASHI66 > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:03

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My buddy got the P938 for his wife and she loves it. I really like the 938 and the baby brother in .380.

I’d say make sure you go to the store and try racking them before you buy any subcompact your wife might use - my wife has issues with racking a 380 Bodyguard and 9mm Shield, and no issues racking any larger frame handgun.

Are you planning on concealed carrying whatever you buy? If not, larger gun is better for just about everything else other than concealment.

Mechanically > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:09

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Err, am I allowed to vote “neither?”

Sorry, don’t want to be that guy, but I’d vote for something else.

Question is, what’s most important? I applaud the 9mm over .380, but there are lots of options out there.

From the two mentioned, I assume you’re a 1911 aficionado?

DipodomysDeserti > E90M3 02/19/2018 at 22:10

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If you’re asking for advice about handguns on a car blog, you should probably put the $1k you’re about to drop on a Kimber into training. Otherwise you’re likely to hurt yourself or others. Guns aren’t toys, they’re tools of death.

I have pretty extensive experience with firearms and that’s my advice.

Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:16

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wouldn’t really call this subcompact but

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 02/19/2018 at 22:19

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And we can’t get compact pistols in Canada. Why can’t everyone have everything?

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > DipodomysDeserti 02/19/2018 at 22:20

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Already have a XDM 9mm and have shot for quite a few years.

CB > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/19/2018 at 22:21

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I mean, I’ve got no problems with that. As cool as compact guns may be, there’s no need for them here (as most Americans only get them so they can carry them).

On the plus side, spec-Micra racing is awesome.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > E90M3 02/19/2018 at 22:21

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BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2018 at 22:21

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Jesus, that’s a name I haven’t heard in years around here.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/19/2018 at 22:22

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Concealed carry. I have a Springfield XDM 9mm Compact for Winter Carry and range practice. It’ll be my summer T-shirt carry and my wife’s mom purse carry.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > MUSASHI66 02/19/2018 at 22:23

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The wife messed around with the SIG and liked it. We’re going to put some rounds through each before we decide.

E90M3 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2018 at 22:23

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Damn it!

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > whoarder is tellurium 02/19/2018 at 22:24

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Too big. Also would like a thumb safety as the wife will probably be purse carrying it.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 02/19/2018 at 22:24

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Already got a bigger one. And a shotgun lol.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Mechanically 02/19/2018 at 22:25

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I’m not a 1911 Officiando, i think I just liked the thumb safety aspect. I have a XDM 9mm that I normally carry but keep unracked because dont like the safety aspect of having a gun that doesn’t have a non-contact safety.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:26

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ka chunk.... the most effective sound to scare of home invaders (and well.. pretty much anyone)(but if it doesnt work you can still club em :P)

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > CB 02/19/2018 at 22:27

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It’s for carry. I have a XDM 9mm for range usage.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 02/19/2018 at 22:29

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Probably going to pick up a Mossberg 88 for better home defense. It’s the 500 made with cheaper parts but I just need it to make a noise and go bang at absolutely last circumstance

Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:34

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There’s a lot to consider here. But in short, I would take the Sig over the Kimber everyday of the week:

Sig costs less, but the build quality will be the same.

Kimbers are notoriously picky with ammo, jamming and FTF’ing anything that isn’t super premium...meaning that even for practice, inexpensive-but-reliable WWB, American Eagle, Federal, etc...will not work.

You save so much more money in the long run with the Sig for, effectively, the same weapon.

Now...some questions to ponder...

New shooter/first gun? Subcompacts are NOT a good place to start.

New shooter/first gun? LOTS of training on draw-cock-fire or draw-unsafety-fire (SAO weapons pretty much have to be carried in conditions one, two, or three).

Not new, but experienced with full or mid-frames? Still lots of training, because subcompacts are NOT easy to shoot well, especially in 9mm...even .380 packs a painful snap to it when the weapon itself doesn’t have any mass to muffle recoil.

Are you die-hard on the 1911 platform? There are numerous other options out there that are less costly but just as highly-reliable if you are willing to look at striker-fire (Glock, Kahr, Ruger, Springfield, Walther, Beretta), DA/SA hammer (CZ RAMI, Springfield XDE, Sig, Ruger), DAO hammer, etc...but if you are super-familiar with 1911 and that’s what you know and love, I don’t blame you for picking the 938 or Kimber.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious 02/19/2018 at 22:40

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Wife is a newer shooter but we both have experience and carry permits. 99 and 97 in the test respectively. I ended up between these two because the thumb safety and tiny size. I don’t like to show I’m carrying at all and these two lend themselves to that perfectly. I have always liked the 1911 frame though. My XDM 9mm is the target practice gun. This isn’t too different from that weapon except the safety.

Mechanically > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:40

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Well, then I retract my earlier statement.

But, I’d absolutely go 938 over that Kimber.

I shoot a lot of IDPA. You’d be amazed how often I see Kimbers with cycling issues.

Other most common brand with issues? Glock. (But, they have a huge representation, so unfair to assume they’re less reliable. It’s just that I feel good every time is see a Block with “impossible” failures.)

Do an IDPA match. You’ll love it.

Ash78, voting early and often > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:42

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Call me crazy, but for purse carry I like revolvers. Crumbs, lipstick, gum wrappers...

Revolver ain’t care!

Downside: 5-6 shots. But I don’t think you wife wants a full scale gunfight.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Ash78, voting early and often 02/19/2018 at 22:44

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I thought about a revolver(I want a personal defender myself) but need something super small to carry in a shorts/t shirt combo.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Mechanically 02/19/2018 at 22:46

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The SIG is also a low snag gun which I really like. Less edges to get caught on.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 22:54

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I’d try and shoot one first. I’ve fired a 938 and found it to be pretty damned snappy. In the PPS, or an XDS or the like, I choose to go with something just a bit bigger and heavier that is both more comfortable to shoot and in which my follow up shots are a lot faster and more accurate. I can accurately lay down hammer pairs with it almost as quickly as I can with a full-sized duty pistol (I come from a military and law enforcement training background).

I decided against a subcompact pistol of that size in 9mm because they didn’t make me want to practice, and I don’t shoot them as well. If you’re set on something that size and that light, I would check out some of the options in .380. .380 is still perfectly acceptable for defensive use, and the .380 options in that size are going to be easier to shoot well and more pleseant to practice with.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 02/19/2018 at 22:57

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Good points. Thanks so much. Somebody recommended that I get training instead of coming to a car blog because it’s a car blog but there’s so much knowledge here I knew I would get some good info. Not like I have years with my current sizes handgun or anything.

atfsgeoff > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 23:13

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My rule of thumb is to stay away from 1911s smaller than Commander (4.25" barrel) size. The smaller they get, the more finicky and less reliable they are in general.

RangerSmith > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 23:52

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I assume you’ve tried some of Springfields other 9mm variations? Have you handled the XD Mod 2? I’m not sure that they haven’t phased that model out, but I’ve been carrying that for the last two years.

Edit: I have now read through the rest of the thread. Don’t mind me :)

MUSASHI66 > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/19/2018 at 23:52

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Try finding a Brg version or similar - the comfort and fit of that grip versus the straight 1911 style grip makes all the difference

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p938-brg-micro-compact.html

MUSASHI66 > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 00:00

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If carry is the reason, maybe look into even smaller. I have a Shield 9mm and Bodyguard 380. Shield 9mm is close in size to the 938. Bodyguard is much smaller. I’m not sure what your body type is, but I have a hell of a time concealing the Shield, and even bodyguard presents issues. So far, best I found for summer is a belly band and bodyguard. Appendix carry is so damn uncomfortable even with the bodyguard, and with the Shield, it prints through anything’s that’s not a thick, dark hand hoodie with front pockets. Side IWB doesn’t work for me as it prints and back IWB doesn’t work as I can’t sit in my car or anywhere else.

Bodyguard in a pocket holster isn’t too bad - it prints but it looks like a wallet.

I am finding it hard to carry in summer just because of print issues

MUSASHI66 > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 00:02

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FYI, Both bodyguard and Shield offer thumb safeties.

AdverseMartyr > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 02:04

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I’m disappointed. “45" comments and no “Trigger Warning” comment. It makes me Sauer.

Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious > MUSASHI66 02/20/2018 at 02:09

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I’m not a big fella, but I manage to conceal a double-stack 9mm fairly well most of the time. After a few months, I got over my hang-ups about printing; most people aren’t even looking. A casual blazer or an untucked-and-unbuttoned dress shirt has almost no printing.

If I’m dressed really light (jeans/fitted tee, or for the gym), I’ll carry an LCP II, which is pretty much the same size as the Bodyguard. At 3 o’clock IWB, it’s practically invisible, with only the tip of the butt printing...no one ever says anything to me about it, because again, most people aren’t intently observing every person around them to ascertain if they are concealing a weapon. And the LCP in an ankle holster is always invisible.

I will readily admit, though, at the end of the day, I dress to conceal rather than concealing to dress. (I have never been a shorts guy, so that works in my favor, too.) If it means I’m a little warmer in order to stay concealed, so be it. *shrug*

MUSASHI66 > Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious 02/20/2018 at 02:16

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I guess my problem is not so much concealing as it is sitting down in my car or in the office. Huge pain in the “insert location where your handgun is poking you”. Ankle holster sounds more and more appealing

Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 02:22

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Okay - I get you now. You picked two good candidates, then. I’d still lean toward the Sig, myself.

duurtlang > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 02:26

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Not being American, I’m curious about why people want to carry guns around. I’m not judging in any way, I’m merely interested in the motivation as it’s very foreign to me.

Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 02:29

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If you’re looking to explore .380 options, I can vouch for the quality and accuracy of the Ruger LCP II. Still snappy, but accurate if you really crush your grip with both hands. Load it with 99 grain JHP, and it’ll still be plenty effective.

Shour, Aloof and Obnoxious > AdverseMartyr 02/20/2018 at 02:34

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For some of us, caliber jokes and questionable puns are the Hi Point of our witty rhetoric.

BigBlock440 > DipodomysDeserti 02/20/2018 at 07:21

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Oppo’s not a car blog, it’s an off-topic blog where most people have an interest in cars. I’m sure you’ve seen that one before.

BigBlock440 > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 07:28

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The M&P Shield has a thumb safety, also it’s pretty small. Not much bigger than the Ruger LC9, both of which I have and like, and am more accurate with them than with the my 1911 or my .44. They also both have thumb safeties, which is one of the reasons I got them. The Shield is my summer gun, fits under a t-shirt on a hip holster fine. No experience with the two you’re asking about though.

BigBlock440 > duurtlang 02/20/2018 at 07:47

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It’s another tool for self reliance. One example where I used mine was on the way to work last year, I hit a deer with my car. Now, I could have just continued on my way with a dented hood while the deer crawled away with bones sticking out of it’s legs, or I could have got out and beat the thing over the head with a rock until it stopped moving, or I suppose I could have tried to cut it’s throat with my little pocket knife while it was still trying to get away, but I didn’t really like those options. Much easier just shooting it, tossing it in the trunk, and taking it home for free meat.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > duurtlang 02/20/2018 at 08:13

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It comes down to a cycle of guns being so prevalent I would like a gun to protect me from other guns, so they become even more prevalent. I also enjoy shooting for sport. My wife’s also very petite and we don’t pick pickpockets as much as we have straight up robbers.

Mechanically > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/20/2018 at 11:50

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Per my avatar, I am compelled to recommend to you a 2075 Rami. It’s a double stack, and it’s completely wrong for your criteria. But, well, I have to try. I’m personally miffed CZ doesn’t do a single stack.

The upside, and only thing I can pitch in this fruitless effort, is what a pleasure it is to shoot vs a single stack. It’s width makes it much easier on the hand.

Sigh. I’m the king of unrequested advise. I just happen to be a Czech fanboy. Imagine how cool it would be to have a carry piece from the home of the Tatra?

Ok. I’ll quit trying now. Apologies.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Mechanically 02/20/2018 at 11:52

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Big fan of Tatras. They are my favorite cars at the Lane other than the Group B Homologation/Group B Race Cars