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"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat) 02/06/2018 at 13:46 • Filed to: None

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An interesting piece, a bit much fence sitting if I’m being honest, but I agree with everything on it.

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 13:53

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Fence sitting is the name of the Republican game these days. What I am curious to see is how many Rs are jettisoned post-Trump.

My bird IS the word > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 13:58

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Ahh yes. Lets allow the democrats to push through any reform they want! If only those pesky republicans were out of the picture!

https://townhall.com/columnists/laurahollis/2017/11/23/the-democratic-party-is-dead-n2413186

Compromise is what this country is founded on. Politicians are corrupt by definition of what kind of person wants and succeeds in that job: manipulative liars I.E. marketers.

It has been like this in every democratic country on earth. This is not a new phenomenon, not even for the United States. Ronald Reagan had even less qualification than Trump.

Please, please don’t fall prey to journalists. Their job is to make you scared or concerned so you read more news. Who benefits?

Spanfeller is a twat > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 13:59

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This reminds (without reading it) meof this article

https://newrepublic.com/article/140948/bluexit-blue-states-exit-trump-red-america

random001 > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 14:00

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Oh man. Saying a lot of what I’ve been thinking, for sure. First, we vote total democrat. Then, because we need to get rid of all of them, too, we vote total moderate. Then, when we have all the moderates in office, things will be ok. Right? RIGHT?!

fintail > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 14:02

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Hilarious comment section there.

Watch out for whataboutism from the base here.

WilliamsSW > My bird IS the word 02/06/2018 at 14:13

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Compromise is what this country is founded on. Politicians are corrupt by definition of what kind of person wants and succeeds in that job: manipulative liars I.E. marketers.

True, but we seem to be getting all of the corruption without any of the compromise these days.

Your point about Reagan is incorrect. He was governor of California for 8 years before he was President.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 14:15

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I’m not sure what would constitute fence sitting in that piece.

vondon302 > My bird IS the word 02/06/2018 at 14:16

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Governor of California is alot better than Trumps credentials.

I’m worried about the post Trump picture.

My bird IS the word > WilliamsSW 02/06/2018 at 14:19

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But he was elected governor. so....

Again, I don’t trust either party. They are an organization; founded by people who at their core, want to make money. I don’t think the slightest concern is put towards anything that doesn’t directly impact their electability.

WilliamsSW > My bird IS the word 02/06/2018 at 14:28

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Well at some point everyone is inexperienced, really. By the time he became President, Reagan had a fair amount of experience in government.

I think that some people get *into* politics for altruistic reasons, but they don’t stay that way - - totally agree with you about not trusting either party, but at the same time, I’m a long time independent voter that decided on my own a while ago that I was going to basically do what the article suggests.

My citroen won't start > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/06/2018 at 14:34

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The Atlantic’s “oh we’ve always been bypartisan” spiel

WilliamsSW > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 14:40

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They’re just trying to strip their argument down to their critical point, about the rule of law - and pointing out (correctly IMHO) that it’s a much bigger issue than policies on taxes, healthcare, border security or whatever is important to the reader.

punkgoose17 > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 14:53

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I am really unhappy with both parties. I changed my registration from Republican to Libertarian a couple months ago. I was very tempted go register independent, but I did not want the Dems or Repubs to think I was a swing vote. I plan on voting for bad Green and Libertarian candidates just because I cannot either of the major parties any more.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 02/06/2018 at 15:47

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And they say we liberals hate America. I can’t figure out what it is that they hate. Maybe I should make the shorter list of what they don’t hate.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 15:49

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That spiel only happens at the start. The rest, the attack on the courts and the rule of law, is more concerning and a point worth considering. SCOTUS just threw out the partisan gerrymandering in Pennsylvania. Then again, it was easy because the SCOPA only based their opinion on PA constitutional considerations.

WilliamsSW > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/06/2018 at 16:11

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Your opening sentence is one that irritates the hell out of me when I hear it. Apparently because we don’t think the country is absolutely perfect, we hate it.

This is a country that started out allowing slavery, not allowing women to vote, mistreating Native Americans, etc etc - I love this country because it *has* gotten better — and will continue to do so as long as people continue to think about what’s right and what’s wrong (I hope).

WilliamsSW > punkgoose17 02/06/2018 at 16:16

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Why do you have to register as anything?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > WilliamsSW 02/06/2018 at 16:23

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This is a country that started out allowing slavery, not allowing women to vote, mistreating Native Americans, etc etc - I love this country because it *has* gotten better

Make America Great Again.

punkgoose17 > WilliamsSW 02/06/2018 at 16:30

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I suppose independent is registering as nothing. I feel like registering as a Libertarian is a more significant statistic.

nermal > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 16:32

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Two points here - First, you could swap the general position of the article, and it would still be just as reasonable. The D party is dead, the only solution is to vote straight R in order to get the Ds to change their was.

Second, Trump turning the Rs, the Ds, and DC in general upside down is exactly what a large portion of the voter base wanted!

As long as the Russian collusion witch-hunt remains a witch-hunt, then all is well.

WilliamsSW > punkgoose17 02/06/2018 at 16:37

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Perhaps - where I live (Illinois) primaries are open, so I’ve never felt any desire to register with any party at all. I go back and forth voting in R or D primaries depending on what the contests look like.

punkgoose17 > WilliamsSW 02/06/2018 at 16:41

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Pennsylvania primaries are closed. I am not sure what I will be able to do politically before the major elections.

WilliamsSW > punkgoose17 02/06/2018 at 16:47

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I would think then that the main purpose of registering would be to vote in primaries, plus I suppose the parties like to track how many members they have, I guess.

My citroen won't start > nermal 02/06/2018 at 17:57

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I don’t think we will be able to see eye to eye on this, but the article pretty much says what I’ve been saying for years. There are bad apples on both parties, but only the Rs are certifiable mostly insane nowadays, the lying - and not “no, I did not have sex with this person” lying, but the Republican certified “God made me do it and no I didn’t do it even if you have it on camera and I just said I did it” lying.

I think that’s the point, denying basic facts about the human nature, nature in general or easily certifiable information is now the Republican way.

nermal > My citroen won't start 02/06/2018 at 20:19

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Agreed that there are bad apples and nutjobs on both sides, and I’d add that they’ve gotten worse recently. Lying, stretching the truth, and backtracking also aren’t exclusive to either side. Short term, that’s unlikely to change much. Over time the worst offenders will get voted out or die out, but they will be replaced.

I think far-left and far-right positions will get more extreme over time as well. I don’t think either party is permanently borked, however.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Spanfeller is a twat 02/06/2018 at 23:16

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Spanfeller is a twat > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 02/06/2018 at 23:20

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We shouldn’t be concentrating on splitting ourselves, we should be trying to become more united.

I am a city guy, not from any odd city, but from Mexico City, the richest city of my country, if we could keep all of our tax money instead of subsiding other places around Mexico it would be cheaper to live here and also way better.

But we need the countryside and pieces like that from the new republic just make me vomit a little. its not about winning or loosing... its about all of us improving.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Spanfeller is a twat 02/07/2018 at 21:50

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Though I don’t agree with the authors plan to split I do agree that the sentiment of honestly assessing the situation in the rural area. I’ve lived a large portion of my life in a consistantly red town and country in a blue state. Everything gets blamed, mexicans and nafta for closing shops and facotries that magically closed 10 years before nafta became a thing, China isn’t the reason businesses are opening, its because you’re an hour from the highway and 2 hours from a city of 100k because noone lives here, to support it if they do.

Spanfeller is a twat > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 02/07/2018 at 21:57

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I think that rural areas still play an important role... Granted, the role is perhaps not measurable in money, but for some things you need a lot of space, and getting a lot of space in a city is virtually impossible....plus, like.... Food and such comes from there!

If we are butter, they are our bread, and without finding a way to keep ourselves in a level political field we will colapse because we hold the money and they hold the land and many times our way of getting money