Well, that's a new one.

"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile)
12/12/2018 at 11:17 • Filed to: worklopnik

I think I’ve mentioned before getting architectural drawings in “exotic” formats. Image files including .bmp, drawings made with the line tools in Word... new one today . Image pasted into Excel document, no other data.

DISCUSSION (53)

functionoverfashion > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:21

That’s... amazing.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:24

Everything we send out is PDFs.

It may be a scan of a drawing from the 1950’s, but it’s a PDF.

benjrblant > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:27

someone sent me a show floor plan image in a word document. like a jpeg on an 8.5x11 page in a .docx.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > functionoverfashion
12/12/2018 at 11:27

Okay, but it gets better. They sent two drawings, the other of which is an 11mb .tif scan with dimensions written on an undimensioned drawing in pen. None of which actually pertains to our part of the project.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:27

PDF or no quote, period.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/12/2018 at 11:28

This was the aforementioned Excel and a .tif of a scanned drawing with pen notes (11MB!) , neither of which had any relevant info to our part of the project whatsoever.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > benjrblant
12/12/2018 at 11:29

Oh, I’ve seen that numerous times. Excel? New one on me.

functionoverfashion > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:30

Attention to detail is hard.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:31

I know Google docs draw.io saves everything as a .xml but that normally has data so Ż\_()_/Ż

facw > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:32

Kinja'd!!!

I think this applies beyond relatives...

Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/12/2018 at 11:32

I hate PDF’s they make my life complicated give me DWF or RVT or death

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
12/12/2018 at 11:33

I would joke that the last guys had the excuse of being Polish for being eccentric enough to be sending drawings in .bmp, but this is actually a US government customer doing this.

Strangely enough our contact guy might be Polish this time as well , but I’m not sure he’s the guilty party.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No
12/12/2018 at 11:34

But you can edit AutoCAD text so easily in Acrobat to make corrections... oh, wait.

facw > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
12/12/2018 at 11:35

Got it!

Kinja'd!!!

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > facw
12/12/2018 at 11:36

[pulls out 6" ruler edge and holds it up to screen]

I should have an accurate quote for you by 2020

OPPOsaurus WRX > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:36

at least this was a jpeg of ‘ what we want for a floor plan’

Kinja'd!!!

punkgoose17 > OPPOsaurus WRX
12/12/2018 at 11:40

I see 3 eating areas, a lounge, family area, and study. Is there also a “living room” I am missing?

JMordu becoming “savethemilanos” > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:41

I was really hoping it was something in a “.rdj” format based on the gif. (It apparently is a thing, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen one)

Ash78, voting early and often > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:41

I’ve had people send me spreadsheets inside of Powerpoint slides with active embedding/linking.

Basically what would have been a 50KB Excel sheet is now a 5MB slide for no apparent reason.

That’s the finance version of what you just got. Or they send me an Excel sheet that’s been pasted special as an image. It’s like “Here, go rebuild this from scratch since nobody can find the original.”

facw > punkgoose17
12/12/2018 at 11:43

Living room is bottom (front) center.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > OPPOsaurus WRX
12/12/2018 at 11:43

That’s fairly horrible. At least you had some parameters, though, I’d assume - overall outside dimensions, etc., to just fill in inside. The tricky thing in my business is that we don’t actually need all the dimensions (typically), so we often have to go on say-so that there isn’t anything in the way of a planned setup. Doodles with very little info are stock in trade, and I sometimes have to send things out with “?” dimensions to be filled in... which sometimes then get ignored because “they don’t matter”. Except when they do.

benjrblant > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:44

wtf?

Deal Killer - Powered by Focus > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:45

I’ve had lenders send me the plans & specs for a new construction appraisal, where the plans are sketched out on lined paper, with the specs, what is to be installed in the home, just a price break-down for materials. So, $6,000 for floor coverings. Are they putting in tile, carpet or hardwood? No idea. Calls to the builder go unanswered for two weeks. Lender asks what the delay is.

Kinja'd!!!

facw > OPPOsaurus WRX
12/12/2018 at 11:46

So I don’t like bar seating in kitchens, though I understand that is a matter of personal preference. I especially don’t like it when they have room not just for a breakfast nook, but a decent sized table. The real crime seems to be that they put the chairs on the wrong side, so that they will be in the way any time you actually wanted to use the island for any sort of food prep.

Also their stairs seem too short, and appear to dead end into an exterior wall?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Ash78, voting early and often
12/12/2018 at 11:47

Here, go rebuild this from scratch since nobody can find the original.

I’ve had this happen numerous times with part drawings, because some of our “artists” were a little less than doctrinaire about saving CAD files where somebody could, I dunno, FUCKING FIND THEM

and 100 more > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 11:47

And here I am bitching that our typical contractors and architects are using older versions of ACAD... I see now it could be much, much worse.

How are these people even getting work?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > OPPOsaurus WRX
12/12/2018 at 11:47

What’s with that storage block in the middle of the floor plan?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > facw
12/12/2018 at 11:48

You might laugh, but given how infrequently I get properly exported PDF files that preserve 1:1 units from AutoCAD...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > and 100 more
12/12/2018 at 11:54

We expressly save to AutoCAD 2007, IIRC, due to paranoia about who might need to open it. Of course, our laser contractor needs R12 DXF with lines only when we want to make laser-cut parts...

Actually, I can see a reason for saving it into an Office document. Several. Everybody can open them one way or another, some people get confused by pictures, it allows dropping text box notes on the file, it allows for (some) security/change tracking, and if you don’t have Acrobat to be able to edit it.... then again, Excel was what this was. Not Word, Excel.

Kinja'd!!!

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
12/12/2018 at 11:55

$6000 in zesty, tasty enchiladas.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > JMordu becoming “savethemilanos”
12/12/2018 at 11:58

JCanyon: Grand Canyon for Java file format. Well, OK then.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > benjrblant
12/12/2018 at 12:03

Yes, really. I sometimes get multiple sketches with Word tools or Word documents with image pasted in a year. Mostly the former, mostly exported to PDF first, so actual image in Word file is an aberration, but that’s where some things come from.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 12:11

Hahaha! SMH...

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No
12/12/2018 at 12:15

I’ll send you a stripped down DWG, but you aren’t getting a RVT file unless you’re one of my engineering consultants.

benjrblant > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 12:22

You must be in residential architecture. There’s no other explanation.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > benjrblant
12/12/2018 at 12:26

Nope. Insulated climate control chambers, mostly for the pharmaceutical industry. Wacky drawings have come from pharma companies in the middle east, paper companies in the US, pharmas in Poland, multiple sources - but all professional companies, in theory. .

The Dummy Gummy > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 12:44

US government fucking shit up? You don’t say haha

and 100 more > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 12:52

I bitch, but we regularly save back to v. 2004 for the same reason. At that point, it’s less about maintaining ACAD compatibility, and more about just stripping down the files to the bare minimum of data. Topo files are huge sometimes.

OPPOsaurus WRX > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
12/12/2018 at 12:56

everyones got a lotta stuff. gutta put it so mewhere.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > The Dummy Gummy
12/12/2018 at 12:57

There are absolutely very smart people involved with this customer. I’d hesitate to call anybody there “dumb”. But, eccentric, strange, and not necessarily competent outside their normal frame, absolutely - and maybe not really required to be by their structure .

OPPOsaurus WRX > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 12:58

front to back is adjustable but width is limited by the property setbacks. I’ve been working on the floor plan in sketchup and the dimensions are getting very particular so certain things will line up or be centered.

Pich, with Z32 now featuring Civic [Si] / No > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now)
12/12/2018 at 13:00

DWG? look at you Mr. “iM tO o G oO d T o cO nV eR t riG ht beF orE i S eN d”

benjrblant > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 13:12

that’s incredible.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > benjrblant
12/12/2018 at 13:27

There’s a sort-of-simple explanation, which is that usually we’re doing setups well after a building has gone up. Which means the majordomos running the projects may have architectural data at their disposal, or may not, and the architect and builder are long out of the picture. In short, we’re dealing with lab divisions and others who have bankroll, but are only dealing with building management in a partial sort of way a lot of the time, and even when we’re working with *new* stuff, there’s usually a layer of bureaucracy between us and the building process.

When we do have contact with the builder/a builder, it’s often because they’re a second string doing a remodel, or they’re running the whole process and want specifics from us to interpret and turn back around.

The problem then sometimes becomes information excess. Having a whole project plan that I then have to shave external references out of to make a simple whole plan for our stuff... and then things change.

BigBlock440 > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 13:43

Excel is easier than W ord, it’s one continuous screen instead of forcing it to fit on an 8.5x11, it’s easier to put the text wherever you want to m ake it easier to read, etc. If you’re only concerned about electronic viewing, excel is much better than word for something like that IMO.

*just a commentary on excel vs word, not whether either is the appropriate format.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > BigBlock440
12/12/2018 at 13:47

You know what’s a great image viewing format? An image, that’s what.

But yes, assuming somebody wanted the above Office protections and had the extremely specific needs for electronic viewing indicated above, *and* had full Office but not Acrobat, I can see a teensy-tiny rationale.

A rationale that our guy did not have if he was sending me tiffs, but somebody who isn’t him might be the One True Excel Architecture Drawing Man. It could happen.

Chariotoflove > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 15:37

I’ m trying here, but I just can’t. I should have known from the lead gif that clicking on this thread would not end well.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Chariotoflove
12/12/2018 at 15:42

BigBlock440 came up with a thinly plausible reason that somebody might do that, but the facts on the ground don’t seem to bear out for this case. It apparently just is what it is: Extreme madness.

Chariotoflove > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 15:47

I’m now going with intentional harassment.

The Compromiser > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/12/2018 at 19:31

I use a ruler and graph paper. Write it all in. Even add notes and NTS/NDW, on it. Then I send it to the drawere r guy.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > The Compromiser
12/12/2018 at 19:45

As a drawerer guy, I appreciate your consideration. Especially considering that the last time somebody gave me an actual to-scale drawing was... never.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
12/13/2018 at 10:39

They are so dumb they are using the grid bars to scale the image?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
12/13/2018 at 10:42

Oh, hell no. The grid bars are not being used at all. There is no text in any cell. The image is just the image, on top of the cells and not sent to the back . It is in the Excel file for no discernible reason whatsoever.