Not that I care about the HR-V, but what's this? Europe getting a more powerful engine than the American version in an economy vehicle?

"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt)
11/29/2018 at 08:48 • Filed to: Honda, HR-V, Honda HR-V

Since when did they start doing this, especially if it’s not a diesel? Especially if it’s Honda? !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

“the 1.8-liter atmospheric inline-four with its 141 horsepower (105 kW) means it may not appeal to performance enthusiasts. But the new HR-V Sport stands to fix that. Announced today !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , the HR-V Sport gets the 1.5-liter turbocharged VTEC four from the Civic, kicking out a far more impressive 179 horsepower (134 kW) and as much as 177 lb-ft (240 Nm) of torque. (That’s with !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ; the CVT gets the same amount of power but less torque at 162 lb-ft/220 nM.)“

Le Turbo et Le Manuele!

DISCUSSION (20)

Arrivederci > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 08:56

That’d be a fun little runabout with the turbo four and manual.

jimz > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:08

I’d wager the 1.5T does better in WLTP fuel economy/emissions testing.

Ash78, voting early and often > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:09

It’s pretty typical for this to happen — Europe gets 2-3 engine choices (and/or something better) because the car commands a much higher price in most countries, and often because it’s used as the sole car for family and commuting duties.

Here, the car is mostly for teenager and retirees from my observations so far . That’s b asically what the CR-V was 10 years ago before it got bigger and went upmarket. If Honda made the HR better/faster, it would start cannibalizing the CR , which is one of their bread & butter cars. Maybe their most important car.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:11

My wife actually likes the HRV a lot. We got one as a loaner once and she liked driving it more than her Fit. Mostly because of the extra 30hp. In her words “it feels more confident than Louise” If Honda sold this in the US It would Probably be her next car purchase.

Also if that engine fits in the HRV than it’ll fit in the Fit. Honda Fit Si. Pleeeeease

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:14

too bad they also dropped the manual in the US altogether, last MY it was available with a 6 speed. rip

Shift24 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:17

But but its an CUV. But manual turbo. The jalop in me has hurt itself in its confusion...

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Shift24
11/29/2018 at 09:21

It’s basically the same formula as the Juke turbo without the ugliness.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Ash78, voting early and often
11/29/2018 at 09:28

Do you have other examples? Within Honda? G enerally, I’ve always seen these configurations below when it comes to the same model, even with European manufacturers( especially the Germans) -

* US gets the more powerful Gasoline versions, and a lower end diesel version

* Europe gets the low end petrol version and more choices in diesel which are all higher output than the US diesel version.

They get the same engine obviously when it’s the only offering for that model of course.

DipodomysDeserti > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/29/2018 at 09:35

My nona, also named Louise, loves her HRV. She was going to get a CRV,but thought it was too big.

interstate366, now In The Industry > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:36

The 5th gen Prelude had a non-VTEC engine available in every market except North America. It ranged from 130 to 160 HP depending on market.

Ash78, voting early and often > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:36

For engines, the f irst one that comes to mind is the BMW M Coupe, but also a few other BMW models like the 318ti. Not exactly economy cars, but definitely cases where Europe got better output. Even though the official reasons were said to be emissions related, most people thought that was a cop-out and that it was more about market positioning. VW and Audi have also done this a bit with the various versions of the 2.0t engine, which has been tweaked and massaged for years based on the car it was intended to go into. That’s less of a US vs Europe thing, though.

But even more than engines, European models usually get additional features or trimlines that aren’t even available here — both at higher and lower ends of the range , in many cases. I’m going to try to research the engine thing, though. You’ve piqued my curiosity about current offerings...

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > DipodomysDeserti
11/29/2018 at 09:37

That’s the case for use. My wife is a bit of a nervous driver anyway. And prefers a small car. She liked some of the colors of the CRV but once she drove one she knew it was too big for her.

Chuckles > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
11/29/2018 at 09:48

I am guessing that they probably didn't sell many manuals so it wasn't worth it.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > jimz
11/29/2018 at 09:51

With modern turbos and their tuning, very much possible. And the added performance is just a bonus.

interstate366, now In The Industry > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/29/2018 at 09:52

They never offered the manual with AWD here. Probably didn't help.

Textured Soy Protein > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/29/2018 at 11:26

My wife preferred the HR-V over the CR-V when we were shopping at Honda. She liked the size and space efficiency, while the CR-V she felt was too big. It’s not that big but the cowl is really high and the front fenders are styled to kick up into your field of view which makes the front of the car feel massive. But active safety gizmos were a must-have feature for my wife and those only became available on the 2019 HR-V, which wasn’t out yet when we were shopping.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > Chuckles
11/29/2018 at 14:30

eh who needs sales

Chuckles > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute
11/29/2018 at 14:34

Companies, generally.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > Chuckles
11/29/2018 at 14:37

thats fake news chief

TheCollective > Ash78, voting early and often
11/30/2018 at 15:44

This is correct.