"user314" (user314)
11/20/2018 at 22:44 • Filed to: F-22, Raptor, USAF, Accident, Top Gun
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"user314" (user314)
11/20/2018 at 22:44 • Filed to: F-22, Raptor, USAF, Accident, Top Gun | 1
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An Air Force rookie pilot !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! a $140million F-22 stealth fighter jet on the runway right after takeoff because they took off too slowly and pulled the nose up too early, an investigation has revealed.
The student, using the callsign ‘Topgun 65', was preparing for a training flight to perform BFM (Basic Fighter Maneuvers) against an F-18 Hornet when the aircraft ended up belly-up at the Naval Air Station Fallon, Nevada, on April 13, 2018.
The F-22 took off going 23 knots below the recommended speed, which was fast enough to leave the ground but too slow to keep the plane in the air. The crash prompted a retraining of all pilots using the aircraft to prevent more blunders in the future.
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The report found that early rotation was not only common to the pilot involved in the crash, but also to multiple TOPGUN students.
That’s exactly what you want to hear about the people flying the 90 or so remaining F-22s....
The aircraft then slid 6514 feet on its underside before coming to rest 9,419 feet from the runway threshold, after which the pilot safely emerged from the plane.
*facepalm* Good job Mav. The article mentions that the pilots were retrained on proper take off procedure, but I really hope people were drummed out over this. There's brash, and then there's just stupid.
ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> user314
11/20/2018 at 23:18 |
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That the plane slid for over a mile and still stayed on the runway strikes me as impressive.
LongbowMkII
> user314
11/20/2018 at 23:18 |
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It’s not as stupid as the F-22.
The only jet worth investing in is one we can build 100,000/yr and one we can train 100,000 dumbasses to fly effectively in that year.
Ash78, voting early and often
> user314
11/20/2018 at 23:28 |
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When you want to be a fighter p ilot, but Stance is Life.
Urambo Tauro
> user314
11/20/2018 at 23:30 |
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... the aircraft ended up belly-up...
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user314
> Urambo Tauro
11/21/2018 at 00:03 |
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It’s the Daily Mail.
¯\_()_/¯
ttyymmnn
> user314
11/21/2018 at 00:22 |
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It looks like somebody’s ego is writing checks his body can’t cash. If he screws up again, he’ll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shit out of Hong Kong.
atfsgeoff
> user314
11/21/2018 at 00:28 |
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Correct me if I’m wrong here, but if there was enough lift to get the jet off the ground initially, couldn’t the pilot have simply nosed the plane up to 90 degrees and applied full afterburner thrust to accelerate straight up?
NKato
> user314
11/21/2018 at 00:57 |
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The suckage isn't the damage, but the high likelihood this jet will become a parts airframe. Congress had the original tooling dismantled to prevent illegal exports. I hope the people involved feel stupid now.
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ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> atfsgeoff
11/21/2018 at 01:42 |
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I’m going to guess the plane was in a ground effect condition when the pilot rotated for take off until it got just enough altitude to lose the ground effect without enough airspeed to climb. I can’t imagine there is a whole lot of time to deal with a stall 50 feet above the runway. Years ago when I took the private pilot ground school (as a high school elective my senior year), I remember the instructor saying “altitude, airspeed or ideas. You’ve got to have at least two to fly.” If this guy rotated in ground effect and didn’t realize it, he wasn’t going to have any two of those to work with. After 40 or 50 feet in altitude, he was going to be falling with style.
Eury - AFRICA TWIN!!!!!!!
> ttyymmnn
11/21/2018 at 01:48 |
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I used to think that’s a really awesome burn by the skipper. Older now and in the industry I have questions. What’s the rate and equipment on that? Duty rig? Min day? International override and per diem? How many on and off? This dog shit gig sounds decent, dog shit doesn’t bitch when it’s late or hits turbulence.
Cé hé sin
> user314
11/21/2018 at 07:11 |
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That’s really not gone well.
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user314
> atfsgeoff
11/21/2018 at 09:45 |
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Per the article, rotating early and letting the thrust keep you airborne until you actually get lift is a ‘ thing’ with Raptor drivers, and it works at their home base . Trying it at Fall on, higher and hotter, does no t .
Disregarding proper procedure regarding VR is bad enough; not taking into consideration altitude and air temp, both of which rob you of performance if high enough, stuff any kid in a 172 should know, does not fill me with confidence about the state of the USAF.
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user314
> NKato
11/21/2018 at 09:47 |
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Maybe they can use it to fix one of the F-22s that got left at Tyndall.
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atfsgeoff
> user314
11/21/2018 at 13:14 |
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Fair enough, and I agree that it’s poor practice to rely on your aircraft’s hot rod engines alone to get you past ignoring correct takeoff procedures, that stuff might be acceptable in an air show exhibition, but not as standard procedure.