"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
11/19/2018 at 18:55 • Filed to: smug alert, subaru, hybrid, electric, toyota
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"bhtooefr" (bhtooefr)
11/19/2018 at 18:55 • Filed to: smug alert, subaru, hybrid, electric, toyota | 4
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The !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! : because 90 MPGe/17 mile range on 8.8 kWh, and 35 MPG combined, with a big lump of battery in the cargo area (just like the Prius Prime) , in a lifted Impreza Hatch is supposed to impress me?
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I will say, this is less of a joke than the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , or the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! - it’s longitudinal and mechanical AWD, yet beats both of them on efficiency. I suspect Toyota’s expertise did help a lot here (apparently it’s using a Toyota power split device powertrain). But, really?
And, worse, it apparently can only run in EV mode below 65 MPH.
I still consider this absolutely pathetic next to the much, much larger Pacifica Hybrid’s 84 MPGe/33 mile range on 16 kWh, and 32 MPG combined.
Come on, people, do better than this .
HammerheadFistpunch
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 18:59 |
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I was likewise disappointed when I heard. I figured more power, more battery, and just...more.
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bhtooefr
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/19/2018 at 19:05 |
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TBH I was figuring they’d have used the new E-Four unit in the rear, apparently Toyota’s gotten it to the point where they can send 80% of the power - at least of a Lexus UX 250h, which is actually significantly more powerful than this thing - to the rear wheels: https://newsroom.toyota.co.jp/en/lexus/21357143.html
That could’ve maybe done something to help the packaging of the battery, but no, they went for the same stupid packaging the Prius Prime used. And, programmed right, it could’ve gotten good results off-road I suspect, with less of an efficiency penalty than going through the full Subaru AWD system.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 19:06 |
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Thing that I don’t get? The old hybrid was dropped because it wasn’t enough of a hybrid to justify the costs...no one bought it...what were you thinking this time around Subaru?! You knew better!
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bhtooefr
> HammerheadFistpunch
11/19/2018 at 19:09 |
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This time around?
(Literally snipped from https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/crosstrek/hybrid.html )
But yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Prius E-Four absolutely eating this thing’s lunch in the “I want a hybrid and I want to get unstuck from the snow” market, even though that car’s E-Four unit is a 7 horsepower joke.
wafflesnfalafel
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 19:11 |
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yes, but Toyota doesn’t have cute little puppy loving CUV plug in hybrid with AWD.
KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 19:13 |
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It is 500LB heavier than the regular gas model, at around 3700Lb, has less trunkspace and no spare tire. Also it starts around $35K and can be optioned up to $38K
crackpipe. But it will sell like hotcakes. Sigh.
The new Toyota rav4 hybrid will be a much much better choice for anyone who needs an outdoorsy awd hybrid. Not all specs are out but I am calling it now that it will be a better value.
Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 19:18 |
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Wow, I never really liked the Crosstrek. Now I like it even less. The trunk is
border line useless, and it’s $35k!!!! How even? Why on earth would you buy this over a Prius?
HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 19:22 |
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Subaru fans “put a turbo on the Crosstrek and BRZ”
Subaru “what’s that you want a hybrid?... yeah I think they said they want a hybrid”
And of coarse this is added to a car already know for being slow for a morsern Car, and now it’ll be even slower.
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
11/19/2018 at 19:22 |
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And the Prius is coming with AWD
dogisbadob
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 19:22 |
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Subaru needs to offer the 1.6 FWD Impreza over here.
The hybrid should also use the 1.6 and FWD should be available.
Subaru has never been known for their fuel efficiency, and the mandatory AWD makes it worse, and on top of that, they don’t even make it run FWD by default
:(
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> wafflesnfalafel
11/19/2018 at 19:44 |
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I mean, I wouldn’t call it cute.
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bhtooefr
> dogisbadob
11/19/2018 at 19:45 |
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The 2.0 is Atkinson cycle, and I’d be unsurprised if it ends up more thermally efficient than the 1.6 despite having more power.
Also, the 1.6 only has 114 hp. Even in FWD, it’s still longitudinal, which hurts efficiency, and means it’ll be horribly slow for the US market.
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bhtooefr
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/19/2018 at 19:46 |
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Although it won’t have a PHEV model.
That said, the Tesla Model Y could be compelling, too, if you don’t need an engine, and want AWD and plugging in.
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bhtooefr
> Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
11/19/2018 at 19:49 |
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I mean, you can get the same useless-trunk-making battery in a Prius Prime, go 25 miles on it, and get over 50 mpg on gas when it runs out...
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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 19:50 |
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For just 17 miles of electric rang e and restricted to less than 65mph IMO is not worth it.
I have heard zero about model Y. Is ir happening for real?
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bhtooefr
> KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time
11/19/2018 at 19:52 |
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The general rule is that Tesla never delivers on time, but they almost always deliver.
I can’t see why that particular vehicle wouldn’t happen - estimated to be unveiled March 15 or so.
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dogisbadob
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 20:12 |
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Is that true for all versions of the 2.0 used in the Impreza, or just the hybrid? Most Atkinson engines are only available in the hybrid version.
Still, Subaru could make an Atkinson 1.6
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bhtooefr
> dogisbadob
11/19/2018 at 20:18 |
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Just the hybrid.
And an Atkinson 1.6 would be even more pathetic, and Subaru doesn’t have a model that it’d really be appropriate in IMO (the Impreza/BRZ platform is their smallest longitudinal car, and everything smaller is rebadged Daihatsus and Toyotas that could use other engines instead).
Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 22:09 |
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Mitsubishi’s no longer a competitor. What possible reason does Subaru have to make even half an effort?
BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast.
> bhtooefr
11/19/2018 at 22:41 |
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Leave it to Subaru.
Just enough to be an inch better than others, but a foot short of being really compelling.
Better AWD, but a lot of added weight.
Better torque, but still not an abundance of power or efficiency.
A bit more compelling tech, but a pretty high pric e tag for an economy car with compromised cargo practicality.
Basically this is a VOLT for people who might use some occasional ground clearance off the pavement.
Still waiting for the home run PHEV that does something actually BETTER than a gasoline competitor, aside from just MPG.
Like an actual performance PHEV that uses electric drive torque and regeneration to it’s advantage. Arguably BMW i8 powertrain in a regular body, would make a killer 35-40K sports car, where it is considered by some to be underwhelming for $ 135K+... made out of carbon fiber.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> dogisbadob
11/19/2018 at 23:11 |
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Or make the FWD with optional coupling. In terms of chasis, i would love the Impreza hatch, but the mediocre highway isn’t worth it.
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gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/19/2018 at 23:14 |
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technically they said its 1 sec quicker to 60
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HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
11/19/2018 at 23:21 |
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I suppose that’s possible. The extra troupe could compensate for the weight.
Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever
> bhtooefr
11/24/2018 at 12:47 |
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The Crosstrek is only a good value in base trim. Loaded up it surpasses the base trims of larger cars, and nearly price-matches similarly equipped larger cars.
Cred: Wife c
ross-shopped this about
a
year ago, when the current
Crosstrek had just reached dealers
.
bob and john
> bhtooefr
11/24/2018 at 13:31 |
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as an A3-etron owner:
its totally worth it IF you use it mainly as a city car
MOST of my driving is within a 40KM range of my house. I set it to hybrid for more go off the line, buyt then it drops to gas motor only on the freeway. Keeps the Gas motor and the electric motor in their most efficent bands.
also, i see more then 35 MPG with the audi. I usually see closer to about 45 using just the gas engine.
and if I find somewhere that I can charge: bonus :P