Subaru, listen to me!

"WRXasaurus" (wrxasaurus) 11/18/2018 at 09:34 • Filed to: None

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I now have over 5,000 miles on our new Ascent, and I have really enjoyed how powerful and smooth the engine is. For a larger vehicle it has some get up and go. So as I drove by a Crosstrek I decided it doesn’t need the WRX engine , instead it needs the Ascent engine. And I still think the Ascent engine will be the basis for the next generation Sti.

WRXasaurus > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 09:44

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And make the next WRX out of the Crosstrek.

Wacko > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 09:52

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Everything needs the WRX engine.  I need the WRX engine too.

Maxima Speed > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:10

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Yaaaaasssssss!!!!!

MM54 > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:20

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Their justifi cation is probably “but it would cut into WRX/STi sales” which is true, but it’s only because they don’t make it in a hatch.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:22

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Forget Crosstrek, they should put that 2.4 Ascent turbo in the Outback and Legacy. I’d buy either one cvt be dammed.

And speaking of more powerful powertrains there is a new plugin hybrid coming. Hoping it is faster than the regular slowtrek.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1119889_subaru-crosstrek-hybrid-plug-in-all-electric-range-revealed

WRXasaurus > Wacko 11/18/2018 at 10:22

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If I had a magic button I’d take 2 WRX engines and weld them together and throw it in an heavily modified 911 or 928

The Dummy Gummy > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:23

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How are you liking the new Ascent?

WRXasaurus > MM54 11/18/2018 at 10:24

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I think it would work out well for Subaru.  Better then any rumoured mid engine thing they may be developing 

Ash78, voting early and often > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:25

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Crosstrek? I’ve been calling it the “Fifteen” all these years. Damn you, Roman numerals!

WRXasaurus > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/18/2018 at 10:26

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If I'm going to get a Outback I want the 3.6. and if I need more you could turbo it.

WRXasaurus > The Dummy Gummy 11/18/2018 at 10:28

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My wife and I love it. It's spacious, comfortable, relatively quiet inside, and works well with the kids in car seats and the 80lb doggo.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:28

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I suggested this would be the perfect replacement for the WRX hatch in some Youtube reviews (commenting on YT yes. I know I was asking for it)and the crosstrek apologist horde descends upon me everytime.

“you dont understand the mission of the crosstrek” “;buy a forester xt instead” “it will be too expensive” “the regular engine is fine you don’t know how to drive”

one moron literally called me “a fat neckbeard who sits in his mom’s basement and bemoans the lack of performance cars who will never buy a turbo crosstrek while not even being able to afford a $1000 beater.” SMH

Subaru is missing a big opportunity here. I think they know it will cannibalize wrx sedan sales. Their loss.

WRXasaurus > Ash78, voting early and often 11/18/2018 at 10:30

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Subaru grew up a few years ago and dropped the XV. It’s like they never learned their lesson after the “B9" Tribeca. Why add unnecessary letters and numbers before a perfectly good model name.

MM54 > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:32

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I agree it would sell great - for lack of a 2.5RS Impreza this would be the closest to a WRX hatch you could get.

Several months ago I was at a Subaru dealer (my mom bought a crosstrek) and was looking at the STI in the showroom, I mentioned to the salesman that when they have it as a hatch I’ll be back for one, he said that everyone says the same thing. I think they’ve really cost themselves a lot of sales on that; the Impreza can be sedan or hatch, and it’s not like they didn’t sell many hatch WRXs in the previous generations to justify developing it.

I think part of it may be a shift in their corporate strategy more towards their “everything is good and safe and family and pets” leaving the performance projects neglected. “Why no you can’t get that WRX as a hatch, but we can option this Crosstrek up to the same price for you!”

WRXasaurus > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/18/2018 at 10:32

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0/10 never comment on YouTube. If they made one they would get me as a customer immediately. The sedan just doesn't work as well for my family. Rear facing car seats are a pain.

WRXasaurus > MM54 11/18/2018 at 10:36

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Yeah. They have missed out on a ton of sales because of the lack of hatch and the lack of turbo BRZ. They may not think the “need” to sell these because of polls or whatever but the enthusiast crowd is being shut out. I think the sedan option was to try and cut costs and steal some Evo crowd, but they just pissed off the hatch or else crowd.

The Dummy Gummy > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 10:54

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That’s awesome. We’ve really been looking hard at it, due to our expanding family. We weren’t sure if we were quite there yet, but we may have to pull the trigger.

WRXasaurus > The Dummy Gummy 11/18/2018 at 10:57

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We have the premium so we could get the Abyss Blue and seven seat interior. It works well for our dog. He gets the back but can lay between the second row of he wants.

Tjamz > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 11:09

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Assuming the wrx/STi is on the global platform, it’s likely the next wrx/STi will in fact be “made out of the crosstrek” which was made out of an Impreza and has been “made into” the Forester & Ascent. The Outback and Legacy are sl ated to be on the global platform as well.

I suspect what you want is an STi hatchback. I do too, but not using crosstrek body lines. I want something ultra aggressive something similar to the Viziv concept.

Stapleface > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 11:12

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Oddly enough, I think it's only called the XV in Australia. 

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 11:17

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And the FA24F  has the added bonus of only needing regular unleaded gasoline.

WRXasaurus > Tjamz 11/18/2018 at 11:26

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Just an aggressive Crosstrek is all I need. Keep it cheap.

WRXasaurus > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 11/18/2018 at 11:29

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Now imagine what this could do with a tune and 91

arl > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 11:50

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Subaru does seem stuck in the last century with most of their engine offerings. I imagine the marketing team smacking down the engineering team, saying “No new engines! We’re printing money with these old boxer’s!”  

HammerheadFistpunch > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 11:53

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N o.

-S ubaru

p.s. Stop asking.

Fkinja321 > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 12:11

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More power is always welcome, and but the trek doesn't hold the road the same as a wrx no matter how hard I try.

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 12:18

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But that would result in a 2.4L version of the WRX engine... and then you'll blow the head gaskets!

zakany001 > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/18/2018 at 12:23

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Why wouldn’t you buy the 3.6 Outback now?

That said, it's supposed to go in the 2020 Outback.

Dubyuh > Maxima Speed 11/18/2018 at 12:54

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Not bro dialect... No turbo for you, that's uhsuh!

Dubyuh > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 12:57

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Just think if you could have the drivetrain of the STI though... Them tasty tasty LSDs instead of the plebian open difs they put in everything. 

Dusty Ventures > Stapleface 11/18/2018 at 13:27

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It’s also called the XV in China

Dusty Ventures > MM54 11/18/2018 at 13:29

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The irony is the current gen WRX is the best selling WRX ever, and by a wide margin.

FM > Maxima Speed 11/18/2018 at 13:48

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Yaaaaasssssss! I miss my hatch WRX. How can you get rid of a car that was 50% of the sales for that model? I have no interest in the current gen WRX in it’s 4 door form. I went with a nice commuter car (Mazda3 GT with a 6 speed) for now but give me a hatch and I’ll be sold. One thing that is an issue is HP and mileage with the two last generations. Cars have cought up big time. When your Altima has the same HP you’re in need of revision. Also, they need to change the vape bro image that they’ve gotten lately.

Maxima Speed > Dubyuh 11/18/2018 at 13:58

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That’s fine. I’ll  swap in a VQ35 for maximum vape.

MM54 > Dusty Ventures 11/18/2018 at 13:59

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Imagine how many more they’d be selling if there was a hatch option, too! But wait, those might be slightly lower margin.

MM54 > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 14:01

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Yeah, while there are a lot of the “say they would but wouldn’t actually buy it” people always making noise, I think they’d be surprised how many hatches they would sell (and turbo BRZs but I can see that also being some sort of agreement with Toyota).

Dusty Ventures > MM54 11/18/2018 at 14:07

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I agree, they’re missing out for sure. But the corporate Subaru mentality right now is “we’re having our best sales ever with the current WRX, clearly nothing needs to change.” Which really explains all their old stuff that they refuse to update *gives long hard look at the EJ engine*

Bryan > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 14:25

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Subaru in 10 years when they realize they can do this

wafflesnfalafel > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 14:26

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tree fiddy!

wafflesnfalafel > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 14:30

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Agree and agree. I t should go in the new Forester as the XT as well... And with Ford making “performance” versions of all their light SUVs - might be the right time for Subie too.  

Cwa > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 14:31

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I I traded a 2016 4 cylinder for a 3.6 2018 Outback. The difference is amazing, car is much quieter and smoother running and the CVT is less annoying. The difference in pickup is amazing. I wanted to get the six cylinder before they stopped making it. I think 2019 will be the last year they'll be offering the 3.6 in any Subaru.

wafflesnfalafel > Dusty Ventures 11/18/2018 at 14:44

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yep - and they are still relatively small. They have to pick and choose what they spend their money on and that needed to be the Ascent and updated Forester.  Next we’ll get some sort of redone Outback/Legacy because those three are their bread and butter.  I’m just hoping that some of that tech, like that new 2.4 motor, trickles down.  

KCBrinson > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 18:00

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This issue about Crosstrek needing more power from a turbo is rediculius as it’s not a ralley car for masses! It’s a do everything a family wants to do with great versatility for anyone and yes; great gas mileage for car with 4 wheel drive at a great price! It’s the best bargain out there with suspension drives great over any road surface with great handling too!

I got a 2018 Crosstrek and it has plenty of power! Rockets off line and good acceleration up to 80 before you know it! Yes you need to know how to drive a CVT over automatic but muscle memory comes quickly!

Could be quicker in overtaking from say 40 or 50 to say 70 or 80 range but little planning works good plus getting over 30 MPG average and better all highway! Tons of room and roomy for 5 plus storage! Oh and did I mention it’s superb full time All Wheel Drive plus new X-Mode plus 5 star crash safety rating!

I’ve owned most my Subaru’s over 10 years each and 300,000+ miles too!

jvirgs drives a Subaru > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 20:41

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I love my 3.6R Outback. It moves and pairs nicely with the CVT

WRXasaurus > KCBrinson 11/18/2018 at 21:20

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I agree. For the common person or if you don't need performance the Crosstrek is great. But for myself and many others a turbo version would be spectacular.

WRXasaurus > Cwa 11/18/2018 at 21:23

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That’s good to know. I would not mind trying a 6 cylinder Subaru.

barnacles > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 11/18/2018 at 22:27

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I'd bet they drop the 6cyl and switch the Outback to the smaller turbo in 2020. 

TorqueToYield > WRXasaurus 11/18/2018 at 22:35

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The 3.6R is bye bye for the 2020 Outbacks once it goes to the global platform and it’s probably getting the Ascent engine.

Source:  https://www.torquenews.com/1084/subaru-giving-2020-outback-5-significant-upgrades

TorqueToYield > KCBrinson 11/18/2018 at 22:39

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Its annoying to me it’s not at least an option.

Subaru has the engines. They obviously know how to sort a sporty car. Just make it an option.

But reality is Subaru is still relatively small company, very conservative, and I’m guessing have done the ROI calculations showing its not worth the investment.

Bojeepus > KCBrinson 11/19/2018 at 00:48

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You do know that you won’t be getting 300000 out of a CVT? The best cvt’s are only good for 150000. Look at the CVT in the Nissan juke owners are lucky if it last 60k. Most if not all are non serviceable, and no one rebilds them so expect 6 to 7k to replace it. I had a Dodge caliber with one, great car till the CVT started going out . Now I have a 2006 Impreza and love it.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > WRXasaurus 11/19/2018 at 09:36

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I’ve had them as service loaners. It is amazingly smooth and sounds great. The way it builds torque is sublime.  It’s not a fast off the line, but when you put your foot down on the highway it goes to triple digit speeds without you noticing until you glance down at the speedo.

FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com > Dusty Ventures 11/19/2018 at 09:39

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When old things sell well it can be a double edged sword. If managed properly, it gives them more R&D time to get the next generation right and come out of the gates with something that beats the competition and is reliable . Of course it could mean instead of doing that the execs just swim in a gold coin pool.  Let’s hope its the former.

Ash78, voting early and often > Stapleface 11/19/2018 at 13:02

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Yeah, it’s XV basically everywhere but the US. Sort of like “ Miata” for all those years , I guess.

AndreTheGiantHadAPosse > WRXasaurus 11/19/2018 at 14:39

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...and make  the Ascent with sliding doors!

Neil D > WRXasaurus 11/19/2018 at 18:05

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At least make the WRX a longroof. 

thejustache > WRXasaurus 11/20/2018 at 13:18

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I agree, I want a replacement for my Outback XT in the next couple years and that could fill the gap.

Unfortunately I’m pretty sure it’ll never happen