Man alive these comments.

"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch) 11/14/2018 at 17:50 • Filed to: Joop

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They’re gahbage!

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What did people this was going to be? A single cab work truck?

That being said...cmon jeep, you couldn’t spec real rear doors?

I will say Im impressed by the towing and payload figures...that’ s going to make it interesting against the standard bearer in the off road midsize truck market - the tacoma - which kinda lags there. Plus the diesel bit.

Anyone want to have a civil discussion about it?

Mallcralwer, FCA, fake truck, baja.  Have I got them all out?

Nothing > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:04

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I’m also not a fan of the rear doors, or the overlapping rear flares with the body/box. Will there be no flex? That was one aspect of the many renders that I thought people got wrong.

People pretend to want the resurgence of midsize trucks, as long as they don’t have four doors.

ttyymmnn > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:06

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What’s wrong with the rear doors? 

benjrblant > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:06

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If there’s one undebatable thing that Jeep does exceptionally well, it’s know and cater to their market. Wrangler pickup, removable hard/soft top, 3l diesel, manual transmission available, solid axles, and if the Rubicon package is available- electronic sway disconnects and e-lockers? I mean, damn. What a vehicle. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Nothing 11/14/2018 at 18:07

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Yeah, that’ s strange I didn’t even notice the fenders.

HammerheadFistpunch > ttyymmnn 11/14/2018 at 18:07

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how come they couldn’t be bothered to finish them?

HammerheadFistpunch > benjrblant 11/14/2018 at 18:09

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for reals. If it wasn’t for the FCA bit...

ah poop

ttyymmnn > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:09

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Sorry, not sure I understand.

benjrblant > ttyymmnn 11/14/2018 at 18:11

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I believe he’s referring to the odd angle at which the lower door is cut on the non-hinge side. It makes sense on the Wrangler Unlimited because the wheels are there, but it looks a bit odd to have such a small/short door on a crew cab pickup. Likely, FCA is trying to reuse parts or made an odd stylistic decision.

HammerheadFistpunch > benjrblant 11/14/2018 at 18:11

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That.

SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:12

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The commentary covered all the tropes in just the first dozen goes . Impressive.

The payload is ‘just’ acceptable but typical of the segment (and understandable given the off road chops it is supposed to have) while the tow rating is bang on the medium segment.

I look forward to seeing many of these overloaded to the eyeballs on Australian roads in the future.

But I'd also like to see Ram's interpretation.

Spasoje > ttyymmnn 11/14/2018 at 18:13

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They fitted the JL’s existing rear doors, instead of making new ones that follow the t r uck’ s l i n e s . I n other words, t h e y s h o u l d have bee n cut straight down, l i k e c r e w c ab t r u c k d o o rs, instead of bein g c u t d i a gonally at the bottom, leaving that g i a n t blank triangle b/w the door and r e a r f ender.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:14

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I just want a single cab standard bed. The bed on this thing is pretty much useless and the whole length of the vehicle is huge. Like 3 feet longer than the already long ass 4-door Wrangler. So it's at least going to be 19 feet nose to tail.

WilliamsSW > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:14

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I’m not a truck guy, nor a Joop guy, but I love the whole idea of this. However...

I will say that that the truck *appears* to have compromised a bit much. Like “we have to fit 4 doors and we have to fit a bed, but here’s our max wheelbase and overall length”. Looks like they should have made the doors bigger, maybe extended the cab a couple inches, and extended the rear overhang a bit?

That said, more small/mid-sized pickup trucks is a good thing, full stop.

XJDano > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:15

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are they carried over from the regular wrangler 4 door? It’s cost cutting. I get it but it should be usable space under the seat. But it may keep crap from falling out. 

AestheticsInMotion > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:18

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I love it. Can’t wait to start seeing them locally

Curious to see if a the diesel and manual can be spec'd together 

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:22

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Hmm, rear doors cut off at a funny angle, you say. Because the original four-door version was a full top, you say.

Surely, though, if one were to make a longer pickup on the same platform, one would develop other doors and... oh.

Come on, Jeep. You’re half-assing your half-assing so hard that British half-assing beat you to it by more than twenty years.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:23

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Mine was especially bad

jasmits > benjrblant 11/14/2018 at 18:35

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It looks like the designer sneezed 

camarov6rs > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:37

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Will start at 40k,  end at 60k+. Will be bought by mostly men as the normal Wrangler is now too feminine. Will sell like crazy. All my thoughts at the moment.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:39

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I don’t care for the name. Scrambler was cool and retro. Gladiator sounds... like they’re trying too hard.

I think they’ll sell very well, honestly.  Seems like the type thing that would appeal well to deer hunters too.

Spaceball-Two > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:39

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I like it and would really consider it for my next rig. The towing is impressive but I’m quite suspect on how big the back seat area is.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:41

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It’s a small vehicle that can carry bikes in the bed while towing a heavy-ass trailer. And can go out on the sand or up a moderately rough trail. And is a diesel. AND a manual.  And probably comes in brown.

It’s like ~87% of what everyone is screaming for. But since it’s going to be popular with Jessica and Clint, well, we’ve gotta hate it. 

ttyymmnn > benjrblant 11/14/2018 at 18:46

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Got it. But can’t that be considered a “design element” that would be recognizable on such a vehicle? I noticed that, but it didn’t bother me. Of course, I’ll never own one of these either.

ttyymmnn > Spasoje 11/14/2018 at 18:47

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I see that, but I recognized that as a Jeep design element. Perhaps that’s what they were going for.

Sovande > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 18:50

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It’s just as dumb as the wrangler and about as useful.

How am I doing? 

benjrblant > ttyymmnn 11/14/2018 at 18:51

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Yah, I think thats exactly the debate on it right me ow.

09GT - now boosted > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 19:06

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I go camping with my boys once per month. Currently we use our XJ, but as they are getting bigger the XJ is getting smaller. And I can’t tow the scout trailer with it if needed. I don’t mind throwing dirty camping equipment in the back since it’s old, but a bed sure would be nice. Would love a manual to teach the boys how to drive.

Tacoma - manual + 4x4 - check, bed-check, bit small on the inside.

Colorado/Ranger - no manual, crew cab, 4x4 option

Gladiator- manual + 4x4 + bed + diesel? Sign me up!!!!

Just Jeepin' > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 19:07

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Regarding the rear doors: there are plenty of aftermarket tube doors, half doors, etc. Why would they force everyone (including themselves) to build yet more new doors?

The Snowman > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 19:09

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I hope these sell well so I can afford to buy one and cut the cab down a couple doors in a few years...

Just Jeepin' > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 11/14/2018 at 19:09

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Gladiator is even retro-er. And the new truck is too long to scramble.

Just Jeepin' > Spaceball-Two 11/14/2018 at 19:10

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The legroom on the JLU is relatively good, and this is the same.

Just Jeepin' > AestheticsInMotion 11/14/2018 at 19:10

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Nope, at least not on the JL Wranglers, so probably not here either . Jeep has said it’s a size problem.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 19:11

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I want to see the oppo version that is a 2 door single cab with a 6-foot box, manual,  and Diesel engine. Offered in left wheel drive.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/14/2018 at 19:12

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But seriously it looks well executed and it’s going to sell like hot cakes.

Just Jeepin' > camarov6rs 11/14/2018 at 19:12

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... as the normal Wrangler is now too feminine.

ffs

Spaceball-Two > Just Jeepin' 11/14/2018 at 19:14

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I hope so. I’ll need room for a couple of car seats. I find with my F150 it can be a bit overkill at times. Yeah I can haul and tow  but I’m finding lately I could use something scaled down.

Wacko > ttyymmnn 11/14/2018 at 19:19

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It's a jeep thing, you wouldn't understand 

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 19:25

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There’s no way I’m going in there...

Milky > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 19:29

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We should be talking about it being a convertible truck more.

Top down, doors off and with the windshield down its gonna look silly (in a good way) going down the road.  

MM54 > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 19:33

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I think it’s ugly and stupid (does the top come off? if so, we’ll take about 3% off the stupid because that’s just neat). I’m sure they’ll sell a million of them.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > Just Jeepin' 11/14/2018 at 19:37

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Ahh. I was unaware. Cool?

Just Jeepin' > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 11/14/2018 at 19:46

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I think I need to write up a post on Jeep trucks. Even Andrew Collins, at the auto show where the JL was unveiled, made a comment on camera about Jeep never having made full-sized pickup trucks.

(I’ll admit, before I got into the Jeep community I was unaware too.)

HammerheadFistpunch > Just Jeepin' 11/14/2018 at 19:54

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I can’t imagine the gearbox is up to the torque either. Plus some stupid emissions thing to... Probably.

HammerheadFistpunch > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/14/2018 at 19:54

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Agreed. On both

HammerheadFistpunch > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 11/14/2018 at 19:56

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So true

HammerheadFistpunch > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/14/2018 at 20:01

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But... No one actually buy s single cab. Everyone says they want one but when push comes to shove is always at least access cab. There are plenty of non joop trucks already with long beds. This is a jlu... With a bed.  

HammerheadFistpunch > camarov6rs 11/14/2018 at 20:02

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This is so true. Diesel Rubicon with color matched   hardtop is going to be very very pricey.

HammerheadFistpunch > Just Jeepin' 11/14/2018 at 20:03

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So the entirety isn’t terrible?

My bird IS the word > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:06

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Why in god’s name did this take so long? why isn’t it out next year?

Liking mopar has got to be an abusive relationship.

HammerheadFistpunch > 09GT - now boosted 11/14/2018 at 20:08

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I just worry where the Tacoma tops out ( price wise) the gladiator will start at. I mean, sure you could get a stripped S with a soft top, and no interior features with the 3.6... Or you could get a Tacoma trd off road. Well see how they price it but I’m betting it won’t be cheap.

Just Jeepin' > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:12

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Entirety of...the truck? The commentary? The weird doors? The current socio-political environment?

nermal > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:14

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I’m in for trading in my pickup on one if I can get it in a diesel / manual / Rubicon version for < $50k.

That said, it looks exactly as expected - Basically an AEV Brute with JL styling. They will sell the crap out of these @ MSRP as well.

It’s already ahead of the Tacoma out of the box with 2 solid axles, 4 coil springs, and 4 disc brakes. Plus removable roof & doors. I wonder if there will be a way to stack the doors and roof in the bed so that you don’t need to leave them behind? That would be neat.

HammerheadFistpunch > Just Jeepin' 11/14/2018 at 20:14

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Entry. Thank s phone

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:14

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I absolutely love it. I assume it’ll be priced like a Wrangler Unlimited + ~$3k. So a base Gladiator Sport will be $35k, and a Rubicon will be $45k. Want a diesel? Another $3k.

I still think they’re going to sell them as fast as they can build ‘em.

HammerheadFistpunch > nermal 11/14/2018 at 20:16

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Do we know the truck is coils? I wonder how the rear differs because it has a lot more payload... Something changed.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:19

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I am one of the dozen or so prospective truck buyers looking for a single cab, regular bed, 4x4, manual truck. I don’t have a family to haul to Wally World, I don’t have a boat or toys to haul, I don't want a leather interior and infotainment, I just want a good honest truck. So my only options anymore are the Nissan Frontier, the Toyota Tacoma or something old which I'll probably get.

nermal > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:21

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It’s either based on the Wrangler or Ram 1500 rear end, both of which use coils. Doesn’t make sense to engineer leaf springs.

Plus, look closely at the pic you posted. That’s a control arm on the rear axle , not a leaf.

Cash Rewards > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:24

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Is the fact that the wheel base is a quarter mile going to hamper its off  road  ability?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/14/2018 at 20:26

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Needs more 8' bed. We have the 6' whatever bed in our work Ram, and it’s too short.

HammerheadFistpunch > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 11/14/2018 at 20:26

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I think your right. They you realize that you can get a pretty well equipped Tacoma or Colorado or frontier or ranger for 35.

Tekamul > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:36

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The prices are going to be eye popping. Like F150 King ranch quad cab numbers, then it’s gonna get picked apart by the comparisons, they same way people put the ranger against the base F150, even though they’re different.

Then the buyers will all be existing Wrangler  customers, Jeep will cut it after 1 extended generation, and everybody will wax nostalgically about it while buying their third F150.

Just Jeepin' > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:40

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Ah. Honestly I haven’t tried. I’m still rocking a 2-door unlimited.

adamftw > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:45

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I can’t wait to not buy one.

New Bronco/Everest is at the top of my “I don’t have any money but I’d purchase one” list currently. I really like what Ford is trying to do with the Ranger is even though I’m not a Ford guy.

Gonna be a billion of these on the road tho. Show us the Dakota! 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/14/2018 at 20:47

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I agreed we had a Chevy 2500 with a 6’ bed and a tool box, fucking worthless. 

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 20:49

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There is a diesel 4 door Colorado at our local chevy dealership for 31k, gawld I wish I had 31k to blow right now.

Just Jeepin' > Cash Rewards 11/14/2018 at 20:54

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Hamper, sure, but they were on the Rubicon Trail recently, and it’s not terribly forgiving of long wheelbases, so they’re clearly not incapable.

HammerheadFistpunch > Cash Rewards 11/14/2018 at 21:04

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I think people get to... Hung up ( sorry/ not sorry)...   on wheelbase. Sometimes it hurts you, sometimes it helps. People get to worried about it. Truthfully is really more a turning circle thing than anything else. And that’s not a big deal

camarov6rs > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 21:11

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Sad thing is, idk if it’s sad or not really, that I’d really like one of these but the new market is priced crazy high and the used market is even crazier for wranglers.

shop-teacher > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 21:22

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Even for the FP, I was shocked how negative those comments were.

I think they'll sell every single one of these they can screw together, and the resale value will be batshitcrazypants.

shop-teacher > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/14/2018 at 21:25

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I know for a fact that t he Tacoma is not available anymore in a single cab. I'm too lazy to look up the Frontier, but I have never seen a single cab of those either.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > shop-teacher 11/14/2018 at 21:30

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So apparently you can only get an extended or four door cab Frontier, so there are no options. Fucking sucks.

shop-teacher > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/14/2018 at 21:33

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Only the full sizers offer a regular cab short bed. First gen Colorados wer e the perfect small truck size. The regular cabs were way roomier than those of the S-10/Ranger.

Cash Rewards > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 21:34

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Fair enough, and be not sorry!

HammerheadFistpunch > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 11/14/2018 at 22:00

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Yeah. That’s solid

HammerheadFistpunch > shop-teacher 11/14/2018 at 22:15

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Yes to ALL

HammerheadFistpunch > Cash Rewards 11/14/2018 at 22:17

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Sorry for my bad pun

HammerheadFistpunch > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 11/14/2018 at 22:42

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Toyota isn’t immune either

it bugs me here too...but it’ s really not too big a deal. It just looks like cost cutting which for how much they are going to charge for these...kinda stings.

HammerheadFistpunch > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/14/2018 at 22:43

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but honestly, who’s cross shopping this with anything with an 8-foot bed.  people who are buying these are buying them as Jeeps first and trucks 2nd.

HammerheadFistpunch > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 11/14/2018 at 22:44

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p.s. To h ell with Jessica and Clint, they didn’t even send out a christmas card last year!

HammerheadFistpunch > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 11/14/2018 at 22:45

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i know you guys are out there...just like the amphibious minivan people.  

HammerheadFistpunch > nermal 11/14/2018 at 22:51

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yup, looks like coils. What I also mean is what rear axle, the D44 isn’t really a strong axle, 3500 gawr i think.

HammerheadFistpunch > Spaceball-Two 11/14/2018 at 22:54

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I can’t see it would be much worse than this.

HammerheadFistpunch > SilentButNotReallyDeadly...killed by G/O Media 11/14/2018 at 22:56

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Yeah the FP was bad. now keep in mind re:payloads that ours are way different here than there. 1600 lbs for a midsizer is pretty good, the tacoma only has 1200 in its off road form. some full sizers don’t offer 1600 in some trims.  Partly for ride, partly because of different rating means.

HammerheadFistpunch > Tekamul 11/14/2018 at 22:57

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I don’t know man. truck sales are hot and wrangler sales are hot. I don’t see how this could lo se for Jeep.

HammerheadFistpunch > Sovande 11/14/2018 at 22:58

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very good sir.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 22:58

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Literally multiple numbers of us.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 22:58

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I don’t like jeeps, I don’t care for trucks...but I like this for some reason. And it looks like a genuinely decent  vehicle for a large amount of people , I don’t get the hate.

...actually yes I do; it’s good old fashioned prejudice and lifestyle envy. God forbid people with expendable income spend it on something you personally wouldn’t spend it on.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 22:59

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Maybe Park Rangers or Forest service? Search and Rescue? Coast Guard?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > HammerheadFistpunch 11/14/2018 at 23:27

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I would suggest that actual phantom wheelwells are much more tacky than mere not-actually-wheel-shaped missing corners. But then, Toyota. When they half ass, they use the whole ass and cut meticulously to  fit, prompting outcries of “why?” and “wasn’t there a half ass left over from something?” and occasionally “my ass!”

HammerheadFistpunch > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/15/2018 at 00:22

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I guess. I feel like the trucks they have now are cutting it. There are few places the extra capability would be handy but it’s not like a half ton with mud terrains don’t get it done

Spaceball-Two > HammerheadFistpunch 11/15/2018 at 00:26

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Yeah that’s about right. I’ll be there in about 3 months.

Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) > HammerheadFistpunch 11/15/2018 at 00:47

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Yep...  Except it won’t look as cool, and I think people will pay the up charge for the Jeep.

pip bip - choose Corrour > HammerheadFistpunch 11/15/2018 at 04:09

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looks good honestly

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Spaceball-Two 11/15/2018 at 09:54

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Congrats!

Pickup_man > HammerheadFistpunch 11/15/2018 at 09:57

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I really like it and it’s exactly what I was expecting . I think too many people are getting hung up on the “truck” part, this is a Jeep first, truck second. Sure a longer bed would make it more useful, but it will also make it a worse Jeep, if you need a bigger box there are other options out there. Now we need to see the Bronco, by the time these two hit I’ll probably be in a position to buy a new vehicle and these are very high on the list. 

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > 09GT - now boosted 11/15/2018 at 09:58

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The Taco and Colorado are penalty boxes inside as well.  The new JL’s are really nice, this should be too.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > Milky 11/15/2018 at 09:59

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First convertible truck since the Dakota!

Milky > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 11/15/2018 at 10:20

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You do not have to tell me.

^ peak weird.  

HammerheadFistpunch > Pickup_man 11/15/2018 at 10:59

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These are exactly my sentiments. 

HammerheadFistpunch > Bman76 (hates WS6 hoods, is on his phone and has 4 burners now) 11/15/2018 at 11:00

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people do pay a lot for looks.