Project IceBox is Probably Totaled

"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562)
11/05/2018 at 11:03 • Filed to: ICEBOX, Project IceBox, totaled, Crash

Well guys, looks like our 08 Jeep Commander (known as IceBox) is going to be tota led. Flat bed on the way to haul it to the collision center for review where I suspect they’ll say something along the lines of “Fuck, that things dead. No way am I fixing that. ”

My wife is fine (she was the one driving) I won’t get too far into the details on here, but here’s the truck. I’m pretty impressed it drove home honestly.

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

Shall we place bets on what the body shop quotes as the damage? I’m sure they’ll have to come up with a number to send to insurance before insurance will write it off.

I r emoved the running boards (about 6 months old Westin tube steps) and the trailer hitch/wiring (drawtite 3 months old) so I can try and sell those separate to recoup some more cash if they total it.

DISCUSSION (32)

vondon302 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:21

Bummer. Glad she's ok.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:23

probably totalled.... but looks pretty fixable

from what i can see the right fender mount needs some straightening... but the impact seems to have missed all the important parts

soooo.... what was the sign post that got hit?

stop?

speedlimit?

streetname? ;p

Censored > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:23

$5,3 00 provide frame is straight, powertrain is ok and suspension is relatively ok.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:27

My first response to this is a mental repeat of the SimPal Cindy from Schwarzenneger’s The Sixth Day saying “Cindy got a boo-boo”.

E90M3 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:28

If you were in SC, I’d say it looks road worthy to me, based on some of the cars I share the road with.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > farscythe - makin da cawfee!
11/05/2018 at 11:29

Ha, a big one.

Radiator popped, support for it is twisted, both front fenders, hood, bumper, grille need replacement, damage to roof and roof rail, missing driver side mirror and handles, part of driver side rear fender and scratched all the way down driver side. Looks like front passenger tire is not point the same direction as the driver side. Also front passenger tire isn’t holding air properly. Muffler was dented a bit too.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:29

better approach angel bro

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:33

welp... thats why i need glasses... little worse than i thought

i shall upgrade my assesment to scraped along guardrail... then hit a sign

but oh yeah... thats totalled

(tbh.. i thought you removed the bits of trim and mirrors... coz reading comprehension)

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:39

Hard total, not fixable.

Significant damage to three front structural members at minimum, and the core support is completely unsalvageable. The Commander is like most modern stuff where the core is structural and welded in. There’s obvious deformation on two axes.

Driver’s side also has metal damage to the rear quarter panel, which is just a goddamn nightmare. There’s structural behind it, so sectioning is a “maybe” at best.

How bad? The hood is at least $2 000 by itself, because none of it is salvageable. That’s JUST the hood. Not even the fenders. And that’s the LKQ part . (FCA discontinues shit fast, you can’t get new for most of this.) $1000+ for just the bare hood, $200-300 in ancillary, $700-8 00 in labor to paint and install.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Censored
11/05/2018 at 11:44

Frame isn’t straight.

Kinja'd!!!

The passenger upper runner is twisted, and the lower front is also tweaked. There’s likely tearing as well.

Stapleface > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 11:54

Bummer about the accident. Glad the wife is okay.

I agree with some of the others, that thing looks pretty screwed. I say it’s totaled as well. I’ll put a figure of $10,800 for repairs.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 12:07

Deadly, deadly, dead.

random001 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 12:17

But how do we like the Jeep commander?

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 12:20

That’s a goner , but at least it is an impressive amount of damage. The main damage being on the passenger side and the secondary damage on the driver’s... I have so many questions. Hopefully after everything shakes out legally you can fill us in.

Urambo Tauro > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 12:30

Ouch. Glad everyone’s ok. RIP Jeep

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 12:55

I missed the roof damage. That’s an automatic total AND non-repairable salvage title by itself if it’s anything more than the most minor of dents.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
11/05/2018 at 13:00

roof rail and about a 6 inch by 3 inch dent next to it, iffy. All because of the “theater seating” style of the Commander and the bumped up roof.

Oh and the lift kit and oversize tires making it taller.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > random001
11/05/2018 at 13:02

She’s heartbroken if that tells ya anything. It’s been a good truck, I would buy the V8 if I bought another one the 3.7 needs a very attentive owner to make sure it’s not gunked up and is wildly underpowered (she doesn’t care, but I think it’s a slug which is easily fixed by either of the available V8s ).

Been a good truck, with good space.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
11/05/2018 at 13:03

I think the Angel we had was quite good and useful in this scenario giving zero injuries.

I did inform her that her approach angle (on one side) is now drastically improved.

Just Jeepin' > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 14:27

Everyone I know thinks I’m crazy for being interested in a Commander. Granted, I’d rather have a stick shift, but it seems like a nice platform for an overlanding rig.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Just Jeepin'
11/05/2018 at 15:58

It is if you go for a high trim option. It literally has 3 different 4x4 systems available on it and you want the high end one if you intend to really offroad it.

Ours has (had?) a 2 inch lift and 2 size up tires. You definitely got up INTO our Commander as opposed to just into it with stock height ones. It made an amazing impact. My wife loves it, she was just looking online for replacement Commanders actually haha.

Here it is out in some tall grass:

Kinja'd!!!

And here it is towering over the Milan:

Kinja'd!!!

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/05/2018 at 17:01

Uh, did you pop the cross bar or did you actually pop the rail channel? If you popped the rail channel it’s automatically DONE. Not repairable. Only way that happens is if the structure warps.

The roof itself is almost as bad. Depends on the dent though. If it’s in the flat area, then sometimes it can be repaired. If it’s in one of the shapes, it’s not repairable, ever.

pip bip - choose Corrour > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/06/2018 at 04:22

airbags deployed?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
11/06/2018 at 09:42

cross bar, rail channel looks pretty straight but could have bent some.

The roof dent is in one of the curves. It’s the bump up to the higher section of roofline. Y ou can see the frame impact and the roof dent is just inside the roof rail on the passenger side where it “bumps up a level”

Kinja'd!!!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > pip bip - choose Corrour
11/06/2018 at 09:44

Nope. Despite the damage the Jeep won this fight, it didn’t stop moving from the impact so I don’t know if it would have triggered.

And we had an Airbag light that was coming and going and it needed a trip to the dealer to diagnose, I couldn’t get a code with my reader so it’s possible the airbag couldn’t go off.

Also, zero injuries not even a sore neck/back so I’m honestly glad it didn’t pop.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/06/2018 at 10:37

Yep, we’re done here, and so’s this Jeep.

That’s a completely non-repairable dent. There’s NO way they can get the metal right again. And it’s a stress/structural point. Which means the entire roof has to be replaced on top of your front frame damage. And if the mount’s even slightly out of true? The entire body structure is deformed.

Add to that, the roof is insanely expensive to replace in terms of labor. Even on an assumption of no frame damage, the triple sunroof part is impossible to get even without glass. And then there’s the welds. Down on page 229. Those are per-side, there’s more on page 230, and 232, and 233, and you damaged the structural cross-member at pages 255, 257, 266, 267, you get the idea.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
11/06/2018 at 10:54

That’s an awesome document thanks for sharing it! We don’t have the triple sunroof so that makes it easier but not enough easier. It’s toast. I knew the roof was going to be a surprisingly big deal despite being such a minor dent (in the grand scheme of things).

We’ve started looking around already a bit but I don’t know what insurance is going to pay me out for it so I don’t know what I’m going to be able to buy yet. And if you don’t know your budget it’s kind of a waste of time to look other than getting an idea of likes/ dislikes.

It’s also why I took the step bars and the trailer hitch off already because I can clean those off and sell em, less than a year old. Hitch is like 3 months old. It’s one thing to pull a stereo or something at the body shop but those would’ve been a bit much to take off at the shop.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/06/2018 at 11:05

You’re going to need to sell those for sure. I’ve been half- eyeing Jeep Commanders because they fall into the ‘category’ of what I’m looking at. But thanks to the 3.7/4.7 always being a garbage engine, resale on these ain’t great. Especially the 3.7 because that makes it an underpowered shitbox of misery.

With a $6k budget, I basically have my pick of the litter among 100k-125k examples in good shape. I only have to increase to $8k for the Limited or Overland editions (which have every option including the triple sunroof.) And these are not ‘beat to hell’ examples either. These are examples with clean accident records, clean bodies, clean interiors in good shape (excluding the shitty buttons where the paint comes off no matter what ,) and nothing past minor surface rust.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
11/06/2018 at 13:36

If it helps any we are at 101k miles and the buttons did fine but the radio went to shit so we swapped in an aftermarket unit. Random electrical gremlins (like dome light wasn’t turning on unless the left blinker was activated, probably just a blinker stalk) but the 3.7 has been flawless (I change oil every 3k miles/3 months. It ’s a 3.7 you can shove a 5k oil change up your ass lol) we had a perfect clean blackstone labs report this summer too.

Get the V8, the 3.7 has been good (thanks to my psychotic maintenance) but it’s way underpowered for a truck this big, especially once it started turning tires two sizes up from stock.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/06/2018 at 16:32

Nah, the button paint comes off on the heated seats. Under warranty period did the same. These things were corner cutting shitshows.

Case in point, you said the magic “NOT IN MY BAY” words. “Electrical gremlins.” These things make the old Caravans with biodegradable harnesses look good. You couldn’t pay me to try to fix a Commander. And I’m an electrical specialist for fuck’s sake!

The 3.7 and 4.7 are just... just trust me. They’re both complete piles of shit. It’s just a question of when it’s going to drop a rod or break a rocker or fracture the bedplate or collapse a lifter without the least warning.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks
11/07/2018 at 12:39

Well if you buy the cheapy Sport model you don’t get heated seats and then the buttons can’t wear off (seriously I’ve only seen that in every GM ever built). The electricals - they are known to have glitchy dashboard lighting but i’m the first i’ve ever heard of with the dome light issue. Weird.

From what I’ve seen the 3.7's will just gunk up into a pile of shit if you’re not overly attentive. I’ve owned two of them and my intense attention has had them running fine.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
11/07/2018 at 13:30

I dealt with the 3.7/4.7 from the day it was new. It has always been a steaming pile of shit. The design is fundamentally broken and wrong. It runs too goddamn hot for any oil. That’s why they instantly sludge if you miss an interval by the smallest amount. And that’s the least of the problems. We don’t speak of the transmission. I refused to work on the 45RFE/ 545RFE’s.

And I’m telling you. Dumber-Chrysler spent lots of money to train me on this stuff. Any sort of electrical “gremlins” in these is immediately scrap it . Period. Zero exceptions. Best case you’re doing 20-30 hours of diag labor and still end up replacing every single wiring harness and module in the damn thing. Dome light tells me right off the bat that you’ve got a BCM fault, probably a door harness and RKE module, and still going to end up having to do the entire interior harness.

At which point, the CAN and CCD buses both lose their minds because now the resistance is different so all the OTHER poorly assembled shit is exposed. So now it’s all the RKE modules, all the ACMs (which go off BCM ,) IPC, dash, infotainment, ABS module, ABS control harness, and hope to fuck the PCM and TCM hasn’t shat the bed in the process.

FUCK. NO.