Am I missing something?

"Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ" (doge-supreme)
09/08/2017 at 17:51 • Filed to: None

Non-Evo 190E’s seem to go for next to nothing compared to the e30 M3. Most I’ve seen on BaT are selling for under 20k and mostly in the mid teens. Seems like this would be the cheapest option to get a car with an engine worked over by Cosworth. I’ve been obsessing over these for about a month now, probably will end up picking one up eventually as long as prices stay low.

DISCUSSION (16)

HammerheadFistpunch > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 17:52

I really want one. No don’t care they aren’t that fast.

Takuro Spirit > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 17:55

Seems like this would be the cheapest option to get a car with an engine worked over by Cosworth.

Au contraire

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/chevrolet/cosworth-vega/1965650.html

Kinja'd!!!

EL_ULY > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 18:01

we had one traded in the other day here non-Evo. Customer excepted $1800 for it and our used car tech bought it (plus TT&L). Car is in good shape.

I drove it..... mega meh but cool I suppose

Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ > HammerheadFistpunch
09/08/2017 at 18:02

It’s not all about being fast. Plus this seems like something that would be pretty easy to maintain and modify.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 18:24

I really want an Evo 2

notsomethingstructural > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 18:32

Sure but 325's go for next to nothing next to M3's. This feels like a bit of a loaded comparison.

RPM esq. > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 18:36

Do it soon if you’re going to. Prices have gone up easily 30-40% in the past year. I passed on one and barely missed out on two others in the last year or so at prices that I fear we’ll never see again.

RPM esq. > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 18:41

Neither of those is really true. They’re difficult to modify for speed, and they’re expensive to maintain due to the expense and rarity of the parts that are specific to Cossies, and finicky (and failure-prone) timing chains. On the plus side, some parts are easy and cheap because they’re shared with the normal 190e. I still want one, though.

RPM esq. > notsomethingstructural
09/08/2017 at 18:43

Since he’s talking about Cosworth, he means 190e 2.3-16v cars not normal 190Es, I think—the M3's direct competitor. It’s a fair comparison.

RPM esq. > EL_ULY
09/08/2017 at 18:44

A normal 190E or a Cosworth 2.3-16v?

EL_ULY > RPM esq.
09/08/2017 at 18:46

Cosworth

notsomethingstructural > RPM esq.
09/08/2017 at 18:47

I’m not a huge German car history buff but I always thought the Evo and the M3 were competitors because they were both the homolgomation trims. I could be wrong though.

Klaus Schmoll > Doge_Supreme drives a BRZ
09/08/2017 at 18:51

There is a solid reason that these don’t fetch E30 M3 prices. The W201 chassis was designed to feel like a miniature S-class, a solid long distance runner, exactly what the brand was all about at that time.

They fiddled with it to make it do things it originally wasn’t meant to do, but at the end of the day even the Cossies are somewhat of a compromise.

That still doesn’t stop me from wanting one for my dream garage. It would look ooh so right next to the Quattro, the Delta and the aforementioned E30 in the 80s section.

Next to that 80s section would be the 90s section: Subie, Mitsu Evo, Nissan R34....

And then there would be the 00's section........

RPM esq. > notsomethingstructural
09/08/2017 at 19:20

You’re half right. All of the 16v cars exist, like the M3, thanks to homologation rules. The 190e 2.3-16v and then 2.5-16v were the direct competitor for the E30 M3 until 1989. At that point, BMW introduced the M3 Sport Evolution, and Mercedes responded with the 190e 2.5-16 Evo 1 and then Evo 2. So the Evos are only the direct competitor to the extremely rare M3 Sport Evolution. And like the Sport Evolution, they built a much smaller number of Evos, which now command an enormous price premium.

The weird thing about it is that E30 prices are through the roof and 190E 2.3-16v prices aren’t (although they’re certainly a lot more expensive than normal 190Es), even though the Merc is considerably rarer.

RPM esq. > EL_ULY
09/08/2017 at 19:22

Was the customer drunk? That’s crazy cheap—like, normal, automatic 190e 2.6 territory.

EL_ULY > RPM esq.
09/08/2017 at 23:23

It was real and customer do this sort of thing at dealers all the time