New Z4M vs. Supra 

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 08/17/2017 at 16:34 • Filed to: None

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Do you think BMW & Toyota have an agreement about which one will be faster, or will they just share chassis & powertrain and other than that, all bets are off? The BMW will surely be heavier, unless they employ some serious lightweighting tech.

HammerheadFistpunch > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 16:40

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I bet Toyota doesn’t really care what BMW does and vice versa, they are counting on brand bias and price/style differences to drive buyers, not specs. I would bet the Toyota will come one way only...take it or leave it. And the BMW will have difference engines options but still be more expensive generally. each brand is going to sell so few of them anyway that it wont really matter.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > HammerheadFistpunch 08/17/2017 at 16:52

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Also, coupe vs. convertible. Just wondering how these negotiations are handled: for example, do you think Mazda put any limits on Fiat for using their chassis, or is it a pure part provider relationship?

Textured Soy Protein > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 16:53

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According to this , there will be 4- and 6-cylinder versions of both the Z4 and Supra, but the Supra will only be automatic transmission. The Z4 30i will have the same engine as the 4-cylinder Supra and the Z4 M40i will have the same engine as the 6-cylinder Supra.

awmaster10 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 16:53

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I wish it were not too late for Toyota to announce that they arent using a turbo BMW motor for the supra. Something about Toyotas past tells me they could make a perfectly fine inline 6, and non terrifying surrounding accessories and electrical systems.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Textured Soy Protein 08/17/2017 at 16:58

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Yup. Just interested to know how the top performance model of each will stack up against each other. The FR-S was set up “looser” than the BRZ; I wonder if the same will follow for the Supra.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > awmaster10 08/17/2017 at 16:59

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Has it been confirmed that the motor is definitely coming from BMW?

Rico > awmaster10 08/17/2017 at 17:00

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It would cost them a fortune but I do believe it will be a detriment to Toyota’s reliability cache in some capacity.

HammerheadFistpunch > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 17:06

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I would imagine they hash out the specifics so they don’t get sandbagged, but I would guess that both sides gets what they want - differed platform cost in an age where engineering differences matter less and less compared to the user experience. I mean take a look at Ford and GM right now. They are direct competitors but they are happy to share a transmission that would normally be a point of competitive advantage, because they know that playing against each other will be costly for minimal consumer payback...since they are both headed in the same basic direction anyway.

jonny11quest > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 17:12

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My expectations are similar to the BRZ/86. Same mechanicals, different body and interior with the added differentiator of the BMW being (mostly) convertible and Supra being coupe. (I’m hoping BMW offers a coupe like previous generations)

If they end up being quite different, then I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > HammerheadFistpunch 08/17/2017 at 17:19

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Yeah, it seems like a good partnership. I’m hoping both cars are very good, sell a lot, and encourage other makers to compete in the segment(s).

LongbowMkII > Textured Soy Protein 08/17/2017 at 17:19

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I hope for the love of all that is holy that the supra isn’t a 4cyl.

yes, to get around regulations the JCGT supra’s had a 3S-GTE, but damnit the whole principle of the supra is a 6 cylinder.

May as well call it a fucking celica.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jonny11quest 08/17/2017 at 17:21

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I’m guessing BMW not offering a coupe was part of the deal (unfortunately).

Textured Soy Protein > LongbowMkII 08/17/2017 at 17:21

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It’s even in the model code document as a “30i” just like the 4-banger Z4.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 17:22

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Hatch for yota and not BMW? M Coupe hatch? If BMW has an M version then Toyota nothing or they get a TRD? You see where this is going.

LongbowMkII > Textured Soy Protein 08/17/2017 at 17:23

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*twitch*

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 08/17/2017 at 17:30

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All the shooting brakes. Gib.

awmaster10 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 17:55

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Not sure about confirmed but most publications keep claiming itll be a variation of the existing M inline sixes.

awmaster10 > Rico 08/17/2017 at 17:57

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If its a BMW motor, itll be a BMW trans and cooling and ecu and all that. Whats left for toyota to do? Chassis? Interior? They’re not really playing to the strong suits of the available brands.

When this collab was first announced a majority of us were like:

Bmw chassis and interior

Toyota drivetrain and all surrounding components

Sounds like a perfect car! Buuut now theyre giving us the opposite.

Rico > awmaster10 08/17/2017 at 18:21

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That’s exactly what I thought it would be too. The issue is that BMW wasn’t going to let them stuff a V6 in it but I thought maybe Toyota could lend a hand and tell them “don’t make this very important part out of brittle plastic”.

For all we know maybe part of the deal is Toyota can put their own engine in the Supra and BMW gets to put their inline 6 in their model. Like Miata/Fiat.

gmctavish needs more space > awmaster10 08/17/2017 at 18:24

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It’s like the Alfa Romeo Arna

Nissan body, and Alfa Romeo drivetrain

B_dol > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 08/17/2017 at 19:27

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I am really torn here as a current 07 BMW M Coupe owner. If the Supra looks anything like that concept hot dayum I will put a deposit down barring hybrid shennanigans.

In all honesty how far are out are we from production even, still so long to go...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > B_dol 08/17/2017 at 23:59

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So sad the Supra’s not getting a manual...