Hoods like \ this or / this?

"Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To" (murdersofa) 07/27/2017 at 12:58 • Filed to: None

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For Sweden > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:06

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One hood is easier for maintenance and the other is British

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:07

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Personally, I prefer mine like _.

All the most reliable cars are like that

lone_liberal > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:11

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I have a feeling that when you have a front hinged one you’ll have issues with the belts and rad/fan. If you have a rear hinged one your distributor (if at the back) or master cylinder will inevitably have issues. It’s the mechanical version of Murphy’s Law.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > For Sweden 07/27/2017 at 13:12

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or fullsize Ford/Lincoln/Mercury from before 1960, so basically british

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > For Sweden 07/27/2017 at 13:12

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Can confirm.

Spridget > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:15

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I think the Spitfire/E-Type style full-flip up hood is the best.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Spridget 07/27/2017 at 13:17

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The older Vipers weren’t quite there, but most of the way.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:17

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I’m more of a fan of hoods that open like | this.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:20

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‘48-’50 Packards had selectable open to either side:

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 13:21

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And weirdly enough, mid-late 80s Oldsmobuicks

And then there’s this:

Milky > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 07/27/2017 at 13:27

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Same.

Wagonlife740 > lone_liberal 07/27/2017 at 13:27

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As a previous owner of a van with a dog house, I agree.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > fintail 07/27/2017 at 13:28

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And the Renault Alliance. And the BMW E30. I have stolen the hinge mechanism from an E30 to use on my Ranchero, and the ‘59 Lincoln has the forward opening hood, so I will be at 2/5 silly. Was the Buick’s swing selectable like a Packard?

My bird IS the word > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:38

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can confirm, front hinged hoods suck. They look cool though.

Censored > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:38

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3 points of access or 2, this is a non question.

Besides jeep hood is best hood.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:42

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I would have liked if my e38 had the front hinges like an e32. The YJ has the prop rod if its windy and you can lay the hood on the windshield frame.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 13:56

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neither.

No hood

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 14:03

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I think the front hinged idea was a thing for semi-sporty 80s cars. Amusing that it was a Ford thing in the 50s, maybe made easier by all the room between the radiator and grille. I think the Buick could be opened from both sides, yeah.

Forgot another goodie:

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > fintail 07/27/2017 at 14:13

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I think Ford, going their own way in a ditzy manner, were on a “because teh safety” kick that led to that, along with it being easier to make a cable-actuated inside control. Why at the start of the ‘60s they decided to revert, I couldn’t begin to say.

The full-size Fords and the Mercurys have a single hood latch, but the Lincolns have two of the same unit(due to the larger hood), and the latch appears to have been designed from the start to allow the cable to pass through and actuate two units, which means it was Lincoln-driven in the design phase. Because of course it was.

Kiltedpadre > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 14:18

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Or if both of those are just too ordinary for you there’s the De-Tomaso Mangusta.

not sure why the picture insists on double posting

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 14:20

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Ford could definitely be oddball. The fake hood scoop on the 58 always gives me a chuckle, too. We are living in 1958 again, in terms of over-styling (although I like the 58 compared to the similar 57).

I remember the hood on my dad’s 60 Ford being gigantically wide and probably weighing 200 lbs. I don’t recall if it had 2 latches, but I don’t think it had an interior cable. I swear I remember a car with 2 hood latches as well, can’t recall what it was.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > fintail 07/27/2017 at 14:28

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I think the ‘60 is the first year of the revised and updated 1958-on platform, which stayed loosely similar until ‘64. I think the ‘60 has a standard-hinged hood with single latch like my ‘63 does.

As to interior/ cable operation, that’s not the first time Ford made an ahead-of-its-time innovation that would one day become standard, then stepped back from it as if to say “meh”. The 1932 Ford had a column ignition key interlock. My ‘63 Ford does not. Think about that.

Brian McKay > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 14:29

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Front-hinged hoods LOOK better and are better for race cars such as Corvettes, but ... for everyday practicality (ease of access), rear-hinged hoods are obviously preferred.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Kiltedpadre 07/27/2017 at 14:38

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Kinja pictures are horrendously broken. Things will double-post, then when you publish the post only one shows up. If you’re pasting a bunch of photos in, each subsequent photo you paste will duplicate the previous pictures so you’ll have, say, 6 duplicates, 5 duplicates, 4 duplicates, etc. when you publish and *those* will remain. It’s ridiculous.

Thomas Donohue > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 14:45

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This. I also get all the xml code on top of each picture. Trying to edit a post gets even worse.

Kiltedpadre > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 14:48

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This was a first for me, but I typically post from my phone. I don’t have any issues with pictures that way. Links are a whole other matter that is always messed up on my phone.

user314 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 15:00

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“Kinja pictures are is horrendously broken.” 

FTFY

Your boy, BJR > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 15:01

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My Saab did both. Also slid.

Straightsix9904 > lone_liberal 07/27/2017 at 15:16

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What about the Saab 900! Front hinged hood but all the accesories are in the back?

Maxima Speed > Kiltedpadre 07/27/2017 at 15:18

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If they m on my phone I have to download the pic and then up load it rather than linking.

Cé hé sin > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 15:27

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fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 16:02

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That’s right, the 60-64 share a lot structurally, I think. Everything in those cars seems heavier than in GM or Mopar equivalents.

I can believe the interlock, I wonder if it was something to do with the steering column design, I recall the 60 had the odd exposed automatic transmission piece on the column. I also recall it didn’t have reverse lights (optional), and had vacuum wipers.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > fintail 07/27/2017 at 16:19

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The ‘32 has a key on the righthand side of the steering column, on the column. A simple matter to invent an interlock. Meanwhile, my ‘59 Lincoln has the key in the dash on the right side of the column (and through a piece of clear plastic which also shields the *standard* radio, more weirdness), and the ‘63 Ford has the key on the far left end of the dash.

Neither is really a good match for setting up an interlock, so safety and practicality were probably taking a back seat to styling. Although, the Lincoln has a *huge* steering column tube in common with the contemporary Edsel which would have allowed an interlock, and as of ‘63, the Ford had a column lock as part of the swing-away steering wheel option, so it’s not as if they couldn’t. They just didn’t want to.

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 16:30

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Ah that’s right, on the 60, the key was on the left side of the dash too - jogged my memory. Maybe it cost 10 cents more per car, and that earned it a veto. That Lincoln dash pod is really unique looking.

In my head, I compare these to my fintail, which is roughly the same age. It has a key in the dash, but has interlock (along with dual circuit brakes, 4 speed non-OD auto, independent suspension, fuel injection, electric wipers, etc). It might have cost more than a normal Ford, but I think less than a Lincoln. Not what anyone in the US would have considered luxurious, however.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > fintail 07/27/2017 at 16:46

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The high-end options on the Lincoln were largely demented ones, like automatic greasing, automatic seek/antenna adjust, a six-way power seat, auto-dim/bright headlights... and it does have multi-speed electric wipers. Also, with a torque converter larger than some small countries and a high-compression 7L V8 that could push it to 60 in something like 7 seconds, an extra speed in the trans would have been near worthless. The suspension is also double A-arm front, semi-independent rear (straight axle on rubber moorings to trailing arms, coils), so not primitive as such.

Dual brakes, now, that could have been useful. Probably would have had if Bendix had offered a dual treadle-vac setup. They did not.

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 17:20

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Demented, but fun, especially the auto headlights and radio toys. That kind of stuff wouldn’t be possible on most Euro cars for another 15 or so years. My car didn’t even have the option of power windows or power seats, simply not possible, not offered. Radio and AC were to be dealer-installed, and the take rate wasn’t extremely high. My comparison with a Lincoln may not be apt for my old car, but it was priced like a nicely equipped Buick, and even then, not the same luxury - but you got the tech.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > fintail 07/27/2017 at 17:36

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One of the things that most impressed me was that the radio was equipped with accessory points for the fitting of an optional factory-supported FM receiver. Outside of some markets like NY and Chicago, FM in the new (postwar) band was not very widespread at all, and even Cadillac didn’t have an FM availability that year.

fintail > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 18:31

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Does it also have the ability to be fitted with an accessory record player? I think I have seen those in Mopar of the same era.

My car has a 1964 model Becker radio with AM/FM. No auto signal seek, but it is transistor. Second owner bought it for ~$125 in 1970, before that, the car didn’t have a radio. Back then, MBs came with antenna and some wiring, but no unit.

gmctavish needs more space > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/27/2017 at 18:31

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Every BMW until E36. Except the E28, it’s the odd one out.

MM54 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 07/27/2017 at 20:57

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I like the front-hinge on the rx7 because I feel like it gives me more overhead space since it goes near-vertical, as opposed to my other cars which hinge in the back and don’t open nearly as far. Otherwise, though, the rear-hinge seems to be better to access just about anything other than maybe a wiper linkage.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > MM54 07/27/2017 at 21:03

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Wiper access is important on pre-HE XJ-Ss. They are problematic little shits to say the least.

Amoore100 > Straightsix9904 08/01/2017 at 12:06

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Everything breaks. The hood falls off. You scrap the car. The end.