"LJ909" (lj909)
07/11/2017 at 18:56 • Filed to: None
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And with it my dreams of finding a V10 TDI for sale. Apparently its no longer needed with the Atlas and new longer Tiguan in the lineup here in the states. Introduced in 2004, its debut coincided with the first gen Porsche Cayenne. Both were surprisingly good and rugged off road. Since then its pretty much been the most expensive (with the loss of the Phaeton) and most Audi like VW in the lineup. Will you miss it? I wont really. Its price made it hard to justify.
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 19:05 |
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We drove a fully loaded 2012 TDI in brown with the tan interior before buying our X3. It was nice, it just wasn’t as much car for the money as a BMW. Still, I love it for occupying the same place as the Land Cruiser in terms of being a new luxury SUV for those who don’t want to flaunt their wealth.
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LJ909
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
07/11/2017 at 19:15 |
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They were nice. But then you are in that weird position of having to explain your purchases to people. The same position that people that bough a Kia K900 or are going to buy a Stinger will be in. “You spent how much on a VW?”
Audistein
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 19:17 |
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The 2nd Gen Toureg was way overpriced for what it was and was never competitive.
Pretty much every competitor had it beat on luxury, features, performance, and, for the features you’d be getting, price.
Where I live and the places I frequently visit are all full of premium SUVs and I’ve only seen 2nd Gen Toureg’s a few times.
Looking at sales figures, I’m surprised see they even sold the few thousand per year they did in North America. The 15k to 20k they sell in Europe is slightly less surprising due to the availability with the VAG diesel engines, but there are still better vehicles for the same price from Merc and BMW.
I mean, the Toureg barely seems more luxurious than a top-spec Atlas, which is quite a bit cheaper, so it’s not at all surprising that they’re killing it.
RallyWrench
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 19:18 |
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I think I hear angels singing.
jkm7680
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
07/11/2017 at 19:19 |
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Exactly.
The Tour Egg and the Land Cruiser are for the people that have lots of money, want a new car, but don’t need a big name to flaunt how much money they have.
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LJ909
> Audistein
07/11/2017 at 19:19 |
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Yea it did lag behind all the competition enough to make you balk at the price, especially when competitors refreshed and upped their game. I never understood the buyers of these things though, which usually looked like middle aged upper management types. Why not get a Q5, or a Q7 for the money? Maybe the VW badge made them think the repair bills wouldn’t be so high? I dont know, its weird.
bhtooefr
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 20:08 |
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Not that this affects the V10 - the last year for that was 2008. And, I highly doubt that the lack of availability of new Touaregs will really affect the used market for them.
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LJ909
> bhtooefr
07/11/2017 at 20:17 |
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They are rare for whatever reason. Nationwide I only found 9 for sale.
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bhtooefr
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 20:29 |
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Hideously expensive new, they didn’t make many (I want to say it was on the order of 500 a year from 2004 through 2008, and they skipped 2005), and they’re quite expensive to keep running.
Textured Soy Protein
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 20:43 |
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Makes sense, the Touareg doesn’t fit what they’re trying to do in the US especially now that they have the Atlas.
What strikes me as stupid is that outside the US, the new Tiguan comes in two lengths, and the longer one is called the Tiguan Allspace.
We get the Tiguan Allspace as the Tiguan, and instead of the new short-wheelbase Tiguan, we get the old Tiguan renamed to Tiguan Limited and only in one base trim level.
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LJ909
> bhtooefr
07/11/2017 at 20:48 |
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Yea I remember they started at nearly 70 grand new which was a lot for the time it came out. I would suspect that they are expensive to maintain since so few of them were made and parts might be hard to come by.
nermal
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 21:55 |
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With the TDI gone it has few redeeming qualities - tis a shame.
dieseldub
> LJ909
07/11/2017 at 21:58 |
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Never was the swiftest seller. But it is a bit of a shame as the suspension, transfer case and longitudinal engine layout made it a more effective 4WD system. It was the closest to a conventional SUV/Truck as we know them in the U.S. that VW ever made.
The Atlas and new big Tiguan are exceptionally similar platform mates, both featuring transversely mounted drivetrains and a Haldex AWD system. They’ll be more efficient and drive more car like, but if you were to actually go off road, especially with the appropriate tires, the Touareg would get stuck last.
It’s the last vestige of the over the top engineering models that Piech commanded be built. Both his models and himself are gone from the company.
Speaking of the V10, it’s surprisingly lightweight for its size... VW stubbornly clings to cast iron engine blocks, but the V10 diesel was all aluminum except for the very center crank support that the heads and cylinder blocks got tied to with very long studs...
Whole engine, less than 500 lbs... for 5L, 10 cylinder, gear driven overhead cam diesel goodness.
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LJ909
> dieseldub
07/12/2017 at 00:48 |
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Responses like this are why I come to Oppo. Thanks.
But the Touareg and Cayenne were rugged as hell for what they were. Overengineered is a good statement. Piech commanded something that VW is missing now. If he had his way though the whole VW lineup would be Audi like.