ProMaster is no master of reliability.

"cbell04" (cbell04) 02/22/2017 at 14:23 • Filed to: P, Prmaster

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Stranded again.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:26

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That’s... 11 days. Not counting how long it took to fix the last time.

Burn it already.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:26

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Dodge.

RyanFrew > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:27

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Lemon?

CalzoneGolem > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/22/2017 at 14:27

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Fiat.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > CalzoneGolem 02/22/2017 at 14:28

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Dodge and Fiat combined = The Ultimate Dying Machine.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:28

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I swear you can hear it Ray Liotta-laughing as the rollback picks it up.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:29

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I’ve heard all sorts of awful things about these Fiats. Why do people even buy them for commercial use if they’re that impractical?

CalzoneGolem > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/22/2017 at 14:30

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We’re not going places

Rust and Dust - Oppositelock Forever > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:31

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TowMaster

benjrblant > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:31

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What gives? What was it this time?

Stapleface > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:31

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So when exactly do you get your replacement 2500? I’m surprised your employer hasn’t told Dodge to shove that van up their ass at this point.

Jack Does Cars > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:32

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Ten-Ten/Kildare

HammerheadFistpunch > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:33

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I hear they are kinda turds.

shop-teacher > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:34

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That is one stupendous pile of crap.

duurtlang > CalzoneGolem 02/22/2017 at 14:36

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Drivetrain is Dodge, body is fiat.

TheHondaBro > CalzoneGolem 02/22/2017 at 14:38

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Well, technically we are, but to the mechanic on a flatbed.

fhrblig > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:40

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Thank God we haven’t bought any. Is that the gas or diesel version?

Right now I just have an Econoline with a speedometer that doesn’t want to indicate speeds higher than 20 mph, a big Nissan NV that always thinks the driver’s side door is open along with some sort of TPMS system malfunction, and a RAM C/V that always thinks the gas cap is missing.

CalzoneGolem > duurtlang 02/22/2017 at 14:40

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Isn’t just the engine from Dodge? It’s a Fiat Ducato with a Pentastar.

Lol this thing is badge engineering at maximum levels.

CalzoneGolem > TheHondaBro 02/22/2017 at 14:41

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... under our own power.

Future next gen S2000 owner > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:49

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It is almost like they tried to badly engineer it.

LongbowMkII > CalzoneGolem 02/22/2017 at 14:50

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Like a rock.*

*as in its pretty heavy and not going anywhere unless you pick it up or push it down a hill

jimz > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/22/2017 at 14:51

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one of the senior engineers in my group is an Italian guy worked for Lancia and FIAT back during the ‘80s when they were still in the North American market.. He won’t touch a FIAT product with a 10-foot pole.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > jimz 02/22/2017 at 14:52

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Does he think they were engineered right and then built wrong?

jimz > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/22/2017 at 14:53

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neither.

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > jimz 02/22/2017 at 14:53

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Hahaha wow that’s inspiring of his work

jimz > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/22/2017 at 14:58

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you’re being very presumptuous about what his job actually was.

spanfucker retire bitch > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 14:59

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An unreliable FCA product.

Quick, someone call the news agencies! They’re going to want to hear this!

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > jimz 02/22/2017 at 15:07

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Vagueness leads to assumptions

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 15:07

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What issue now? :(

Svart Smart, traded in his Smart > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 15:17

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I see a number of these in the U.S. Postal Service fleet, and my landlord drives one when he’s on the job. I always wonder what the reliability is like across more data points.

fintail > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 15:18

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Do these break down as much in Yourup as in Murka? Or is it a local thing?

I think NA market Sprinters are made of the same compressed rust as others.

mazda616 > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 15:23

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#FCAProbz

Probenja > fintail 02/22/2017 at 15:47

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I think at least the PSA engines are reliable, my guess I that the Dodge powertrain made it much worse than the Fiat/Peugeot/Citroen ones.

wafflesnfalafel > OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars 02/22/2017 at 15:51

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“Find new tow yards”

shop-teacher > fintail 02/22/2017 at 15:52

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NA Sprinters are built from knock-down kits sent over from Yuurope, so yeah they’re the same compressed rust. They last about five years before they’re full of cancer around here.

fintail > shop-teacher 02/22/2017 at 15:55

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I’ve even seen rust on local ones, and cars generally take a long time to develop any out here. Not a good sign.

fintail > Probenja 02/22/2017 at 15:56

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I wonder if that engine is used in anything else. Looks like the promise of hyper-cool European vans was betrayed by cost cutting.

TFSIVTEC drivesavolvo > cbell04 02/22/2017 at 17:10

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It’s like they tried to make the front end ugly

bhtooefr > Probenja 02/22/2017 at 20:09

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Here in the US, we get the 3.6 Pentastar V6 and 6-speed UltraDrive from the minivans, and the 3.0 Iveco turbodiesel I4 with a robotized box.

duurtlang > CalzoneGolem 02/23/2017 at 01:45

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The transmission is a Dodge part as well.

duurtlang > fintail 02/23/2017 at 02:56

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Sprinters rust insanely fast in Europe too. I don’t understand why Mercedes hasn’t fixed that issue yet, and if they have recently why they allowed it this long.

Engine and transmission in the Promaster are Dodge parts. As far as I know the PSA or Fiat drivetrains they use in Europe are reliable.

pip bip - choose Corrour > cbell04 02/23/2017 at 04:16

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fuel system?

CalzoneGolem > duurtlang 02/23/2017 at 08:38

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Frankly I’m surprised it has moved under it’s own power at all.

fintail > duurtlang 02/23/2017 at 09:20

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Dart/200 engines maybe.

MB has had rust issues here and there for decades, but the Sprinters seem to be the worst. When a Seattle car has rust and isn’t even 10 years old, you know there’s a problem.

Mercedes Streeter > duurtlang 02/23/2017 at 10:23

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The Sprinter was one of the products of their old DaimlerChrysler days. Pretty much every Merc of those days would rust badly, the Sprinters even more so because those would get washed less than a car.

I’m sure whenever they get around to doing a clean slate design, they’ll return to the sanity that is rust protection.