Well. Shit.

"Dru" (therealkennyd)
10/09/2017 at 16:54 • Filed to: ZHP

This rather lovely example of an Imola Red ZHP will cost you just seventeen thousand of your finest American dollars.

I seriously don’t know why I keep searching for one of these cars.

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DISCUSSION (31)

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Dru
10/09/2017 at 16:56

What if I have filthy, dingy and smelly American Dollars?

For Sweden > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs
10/09/2017 at 16:57

they’re all filthy, dingy, and smelly tbh

WilliamsSW > Dru
10/09/2017 at 17:00

ZHP = Zee High Price.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > WilliamsSW
10/09/2017 at 17:02

Zee Hype Preventsyoufrombeingabletoaffordoneforareasonableamount

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > Dru
10/09/2017 at 17:03

You could literally buy an E46 M3, and a decently clean one at that, for that money. I love these things but prices have gone beyond crack price territory.

Also – is it just me or has anyone else noticed that prices for E46 M3s and E39 M5s seem to have mellowed out a little? For the last few years they seemed to be going up like crazy, but I’m seeing more for sale at prices lower than I expected in recent months.

WilliamsSW > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
10/09/2017 at 17:03

Also accurate. They’re great cars, prices are stupid on them.

WilliamsSW > ZHP Sparky, the 5th
10/09/2017 at 17:08

I think you may be right about the E46 and E39 M cars. It’s either that, or the runup has brought some slightly rougher cars out of the woodwork. I’ve only been following them closely the last 6 months or so, but it does seem to have eased just a little bit.

Party-vi > Dru
10/09/2017 at 17:16

For that price I could buy a trashed E46 M3 and swap the drive train to my 330Ci.

Tripper > ZHP Sparky, the 5th
10/09/2017 at 17:20

The market has definitely flattened out on them, particularly if it’s not low miles and in perfect shape. The “driver’s” cars are reasonably price for the most part.

404 - User No Longer Available > Dru
10/09/2017 at 17:21

I saw one last year for not much more mileage but almost half the price.

https://oppositelock.kinja.com/npocp-1788094265

MonkeePuzzle > For Sweden
10/09/2017 at 17:27

just like the poors who use cash. eww.

I let my butler touch the money on the rare occasions some lowly activity requires physical money changing hands.

(it’s far easier to embezzle when no physical money is involved)

ZHP Sparky, the 5th > WilliamsSW
10/09/2017 at 17:28

Yeah that’s what I thought at first too – and usually click in to an ad thinking “this thing has got to be beaten to death” or “sure it says manual, but it’s gotta be an SMG” – but more often than not the prices don’t seem entirely unreasonable.

WilliamsSW > ZHP Sparky, the 5th
10/09/2017 at 17:32

It’s a little tough to get a bead on it, because the price range is enormous - depending on mileage, options, title status, and how hard it’s been thrashed. I suspect, though, that there was a little bit of hot air in some of the prices (and fuck EAG with a cattle prod), and people have taken a step back and realized that prices for nice cars went a little too far.

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > Dru
10/09/2017 at 17:40

Wait, what? You could get a clean e46 M3 for similar money!

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > Dru
10/09/2017 at 18:09

These were “cheap” like 5 years ago.

Klaus Schmoll > Dru
10/09/2017 at 18:13

What exactly does the ZHP package offer over the 330i m-sport and why are they fetching M3 money? I don’t think that we got those in Germany, so I don’t really know what to make of them.

dannyzabolotny > ZHP Sparky, the 5th
10/09/2017 at 18:19

Yeah, it’s because the market has kinda split into two. On one side, you have the pristine, low-mileage EAG/Bring A Trailer-worthy cars that are being sold for new car money, and on the other side you have the reasonably priced cars that have been driven with higher miles. I prefer the driver’s cars, because spending $40k on something that I wouldn’t be able to drive is just pointless. You feel a whole lot better beating on a $10k M5 than on a $40k M5, I’ll tell you that (have driven M5's from both categories and owned a $7k beater M5).

notsomethingstructural > Party-vi
10/09/2017 at 18:28

For that price you could buy a e46 M3 and drive it to work

wafflesnfalafel > WilliamsSW
10/09/2017 at 18:52

yes... a guy at work had one of those for a couple years, but not in that Imola red, (it was one of the blues they offered that year.) Sold it and traded up to a 2012 m3 sedan in grey/charcoal earlier this year. He found it somewhere in the SW and had it shipped up here...

RPM esq. > Dru
10/09/2017 at 18:54

I’ll bet they’d take a pile of wrinkly singles that I accidentally put through the washing machine, if there were enough of them.

RPM esq. > ZHP Sparky, the 5th
10/09/2017 at 18:55

I think the market is splitting: prices are still rising on the very cleanest ones, but they seem to have leveled off on (ahem) “driver-quality” examples.

Dru > Klaus Schmoll
10/09/2017 at 18:55

Different engine mapping for a few more hp. Upgraded suspension, a higher redline, a 6th gear. Mostly a handling upgrade over stock. It was a North America thing only. It makes sense if you’re like me and want an m3 but kind of need a sedan.

Why they are fetching m3 money I can’t say. They only make sense at the right price.

Dru > ZHP Sparky, the 5th
10/09/2017 at 18:58

Youre right, that is e46 m3 money. Hell, it’s spitting distance from e90 m3 money.

Dru > 404 - User No Longer Available
10/09/2017 at 18:59

I may have missed the boat.

Dru > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC
10/09/2017 at 19:00

Indeed. Or spend not a whole lot more and get an e90 m3.

Dru > RPM esq.
10/09/2017 at 19:01

Don’t wash, leave the cocaine residue.

Discerning > Dru
10/09/2017 at 19:39

Crack pipe

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > Dru
10/09/2017 at 19:54

That pipe be full of crack.

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > Dru
10/09/2017 at 20:30

Exactly my train of thought. an e9x M3 is around 35k for a pristine example with low miles. You can get a higher mileage one for just 27k. That’s hard to argue with.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > Dru
10/09/2017 at 20:50

ELI5 what is a ZHP?

Dru > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To
10/09/2017 at 20:51

The best non-M e46 3 series available at the time. For that money, I’d just buy the M.